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AIBU to refuse to apologise after being blamed for family holiday?

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newchaptermummy · Yesterday 17:14

Hi everyone, I really need some outside perspective on a family situation because I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

My parents kindly paid for a family holiday abroad for us all (them, myself, my daughter "DD", my sister "DSIS", and her kids). The whole fallout on the holiday actually started because DSIS’s daughter ("Niece") was caught out in a lie about me. Rather than handling it sensibly, DSIS completely exploded. She spent the rest of the trip causing scenes, storming off, moving sunbeds away from everyone, and bad-mouthing people. She even started bad-mouthing my own child.

Despite how provoking and malicious that was, I refused to engage or react. I stayed completely unbothered, ignored the drama, and focused entirely on making sure DD had a great time playing in the pool (along with any other kids who joined us). The only thing I ever said to the kids was a simple suggestion to play nicely or find something else to play when they were bickering.

When we got home, my mum sent me a huge, scathing text dragging both me and DSIS into "two grown women acting like playground children" and accusing us of selfishly ruining the holiday for her and my dad. Mum said they were left with a big bill to pay, said they were done doing things for us, and told us we should both feel "totally ashamed" of ourselves.

I was heartbroken. I am nothing but supportive of my parents, constantly go out of my way to help them, and they even call my husband their son. I deliberately stayed out of the drama to keep the peace, yet I’ve been thrown under the bus as if I single-handedly ruined the trip. I even told them I’d pay back every penny of the holiday once my pay rise comes through later this year, as the cost is clearly being used as a weapon.

Since that initial text exchange, DSIS has offered a quick apology to Mum, and now everything is magically forgotten. Mum is expecting me to just apologize too and fall in line, completely sweeping under the carpet the outright insults, false accusations, and utter lack of support when my own child was being bad-mouthed. There has been zero recognition or acknowledgment of how unfairly I’ve been treated. I have tried reaching out to mum about how I feel and was ignored, and mum is now going on with our relationship as if nothing was said or done both on and after the holiday.

The easier thing to do would definitely be to move on, pretend it never happened, and ignore how deeply hurt I feel. But is that actually the right thing to do here? Or am I just accepting the role of family scapegoat?
AIBU to stand my ground and refuse to pretend this is all fine? How would you handle this?

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Airtrack · Yesterday 18:22

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newchaptermummy · Yesterday 18:22

dapsnotplimsolls · Yesterday 18:10

What exactly did you do/say about the lies?

I said it wasn’t true and explained what happened. My niece started to wail even loudly whilst my sister bad mouthed me so I walked away. My child wanted to get back in the pool so I took her along with my nephew. My dad just sat there and my mum was trying to get my niece to stop screaming and calm my sister.

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Lifestooshort71 · Yesterday 18:23

I can't see where you've explained the lie tbh. Personally, I'd apologise to parents without taking responsibility - "I'm sorry the holiday didn't go quite to plan, as soon as I can, I'll pay you back our share" (do not lay the blame at your sister's door). Remember not to repeat the experiment!

Airtrack · Yesterday 18:23

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malloryknox123 · Yesterday 17:42

“You’re both as bad as each other” even though you are actually the innocent party? Stings doesn’t it, when a sibling behaves monstrously, makes your life a misery and even though you do your best to rise above it and not rise to the bait, you’re still tarred with the same brush.

Yep.

This was also my childhood.

Holidays were worse.

“DSis do you want to play beach ball “

trace of abuse as saying “no” would be too easy.

O get in trouble for asking as I should know not to ask.

Well yes, except if I did t ask and asked some of the friends we’d inevitable meet in campsites, beach pool etc I’d get into trouble for leaving her out.

Its miserable.

OP is be tempted to text your mum back.

“I am very sorry that sister ruined the holiday - of course I am. I extremely sorry her behaviour and refusal to join us upset you when you sent so much taking us away. I can understand your upset and disappointed in how her behaviour impacted the holiday as I feel the same. I hope she’s also apologised to you for her behaviour”

Airtrack · Yesterday 18:24

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Slightyamusedandsilly · Yesterday 18:24

I'd have to send a message. Something like,

'While I'm really sad that you and dad weren't able to enjoy the holiday, I'm not apologising for what happened, because none of it was down to me. Sue caused all the problems and I stayed away from it all. I know it isn't fair that you had a bad holiday, but it isn't fair blaming me for her actions either. I'm going to reimburse you for our share of the holiday. It'd be great if Sue paid you for her family's share too, but that is nothing to do with me.

Love you lots,

Airtrack'

newchaptermummy · Yesterday 18:25

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My sister is like a volcano. Up until this happened we was absolutely fine and in tears of laughter together the night before after a silly answer I gave on a quiz.

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SalmonOnFinnCrisp · Yesterday 17:25

I feel incredibly sorry for your mother ...

" The whole fallout on the holiday actually started because DSIS’s daughter ("Niece") was caught out in a lie about me."

What does this mean?
If you didnt make a fuss im not clear how it escalated.

Your own description of your behaviour sounds like you were being aloof and a bit cold- shouldery about it.
DN is presuambly a child / teen ....couldn't you have shown a bit of grace for your mother's sake? And Let it be water under the bridge

Btw..
Your sister sounds like a massive fucking face ache though so I don't envy you there...and sounds far more "at fault"

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I feel sorry for your mum too. Must have cost them a bomb and her 2 daughters couldn't even get along for the duration.

You should both feel a bit shit about that.

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Badvocthebad · Yesterday 18:25

Totally depends on how you feel about being the family scapegoat and that also being your dds role when she is older 🤷‍♀️

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Lexy2345 · Yesterday 18:26

No more family holidays. I feel sorry for your parents paying for a lovely holiday for everyone and bitching and sniping being the end result. I’d be really upset if I treated my adult DC to a holiday and have them fall out with each other. Your children are primary age, kids say and do upsetting stuff. Let it go and apologise for your part in it. It’s childish to point at your sister and say it was all her fault. Be the grown up.

newchaptermummy · Yesterday 18:27

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My daughter and niece was bickering so I said to both girls to either play nicely or play apart for a bit. My niece ran from the pool screaming and her version has changed from me shouting at her, going to throw things at her and generally being horrid to her. She played with me in the pool later that day.

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ClayPotaLot · Yesterday 18:30

So the lie she was caught out in was the bit where your niece ran out of the pool crying that you'd threatened to throw her in etc. towards the end of the holiday?

Was everything good up until then?

From what you've said I think I'd have a hard time apologising too. And I'm not sure it would be a good idea - it perpetuates the dynamic that you and your sister are as bad as each other and gives your sister an out ("but newchapter does it too!") and that makes an honest relationship with your parents harder.

I'd try the tack PP suggested of asking what specifically you DP want you to apologise for and pointing out that you didn't do it. I'd also point out that DSis ruined your and DC's holiday too, and while you appreciate they also had an awful time, DSis hasn't apologised to you and you aren't really in a forgiving mood around the whole thing given the way you're being treated.

(Do you think they were so insistent you came too because they couldn't face a holiday with just your sister? That, possibly subconsciously, from their perspective part of your role is to be the target for your sister's bad behaviour?)

LBFseBrom · Yesterday 18:30

I wondered who were you quoting in your opening post, with your liberal use of "" "".

Does you sister approve of her daughter lying about you, and you said she lied about someone else? Was it a lie or was she misunderstanding something? Surely your mother would know the truth.

I hope all the shouting and wailing was done well away from other holiday makers.

Don't go on family holidays again.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · Yesterday 18:32

@Airtrack and @Lifestooshort71 - this is what @newchaptermummy said in an earlier post, about the lie:

”Towards the end of the holiday my child and niece were bickering whilst I was (as usual) supervising in the pool so I said they either play nicely or play apart from a bit. Niece ran screaming from the pool saying all sorts (apparently at one point she feared I would throw something at her). She later made similar claims about someone else later in the holiday and this was brushed to one side.”

likelysuspect · Yesterday 18:32

newchaptermummy · Yesterday 17:35

I’ve explained the lie in another response, but being in the pool wasn’t me being cold with anyone. I was genuinely the only adult joining the kids in the water most of the time to supervise in the deep water. When I wasn’t, I would join the others on the sunbeds.

Out of interest, did you use the word lie to refer to what your neice said about you?

I ask because some people get quite offended at the thought of kids being called liars. Even if the child is making things up/mistruths/being dishonest, whatever you want to call it

Primary aged school kids say all sorts of rubbish. Perhaps sister thought you were being over the top if you said 'she told a lie/thats a lie/shes lying'
or whatever you said

VeneziaJ · Yesterday 18:34

I can only imagine that your parents are upset that a holiday they tried to treat you all to descended into bickering and name calling( whoever started it) I would not go on holiday with your sister again as she sounds very immature and volatile and clearly does not trust you! and I would say to your parents that you are really sorry that the holiday was marred by the squabbling, you don’t feel that you did anything to warrant it,but if they feel that you have contributed to them not enjoying the holiday then your apologise for that

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ClayPotaLot · Yesterday 18:35

You said initially that your niece was "caught out" in a lie - which normally means that she told a lie that everyone could see was a lie. But this sounds more like she told this (horrible) lie about you and your sister believed it? Which is somewhat different, though not less awful for you.

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How do you work that out from OPs reply to you?

outerspacepotato · Yesterday 18:35

Your mom and dad wanted you and your sister to play happy family and it blew up on them.

Just say sorry things didn't work out the way you wanted and hand your mom some cash and stay away from their holidays in the future. Grey rock everybody. Your sister is volatile and enjoys the drama and it sounds like her daughter is similar. You disengaging was the right strategy at the wrong time, you didn't have the space to do that. Now is when you can disengage.

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