AIBU to think that a stranger collecting a baby from a nursery is a massive safeguarding issue?

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I saw on @jodyriley_ ‘s Instagram account last night that her 1 year old daughter was incorrectly collected by the grandfather of another child recently. The man seems to have had the child in his care for over 15 minutes before returning to the nursery.

From what I can gather, the nursery have been incredibly shady in what they’ve told the Mum and as more information has been slowly released, it seems that despite the nursery initially saying the child was asleep when collected, CCTV has proved that she was awake and alert. The nursery have also refused to pass on the names or contact details of the person who picked up the child.

I cannot believe how awfully the nursery have handled this. If I were the parent of a child in that nursery, there’s no way I’d be staying there considering how lax their safeguarding seems to be.

Surely this is for Ofsted to investigate not the police. It is a safeguarding issue not a criminal investigation. There is nothing for the police to do. I'm sure Ofsted are already involved and they will decide what action to take.
I can understand why the grandfather wouldn't want to meet with the parents. You only have to look at the comments on here to understand why he'd be reluctant.

He's probably busy in hiding so his error can't be monetised at the expense of he and his family's safety any further than it has been already.

It's been widely reported in MSM which nursery it was, no need to delete the post

Being cautious around adults interacting with your child, yeah. And many parents are not cautious enough. But focus on the ones who see them regularly, not for fifteen minutes on one occasion.

This guy is probably majorly embarrassed that he can't recognize his own grandchild.

I think the OP twisted logic of automatically assuming the Grandfather is a paedophile first and foremost has clouded the waters.

Using the OPs logic, any man that comes across a lost toddler is probably best ignoring the whole situation and walking on. Personally, I would rather some random kid ended up dead than having screaming harpies accusing me of allsorts.

What a shit society we live in now.

@LauraNorda Personally, I would rather some random kid ended up dead than having screaming harpies accusing me of allsorts.

Imagine actually typing this out.

That you Jodi?
Are you not getting enough traffic on Instagram?

LauraNorda Good job the elderly man in Portugal ignored this advice, and took the 2 little boys he found by the road (dumped by their parents ) to the local police station then wasnt it

Obviously @LauraNorda ’s suggestion is a Swiftian one like Jonathan Swift’s essay proposing the eating if babies. So can we have a little less harrumphing about her post? It us meant to show the logical conclusion of the posters who are shouting paedophile at the drop of a hat.

If you genuinely haven’t done anything wrong then I think you have little reason to be concerned about this.

OP i agree with you but this is mumsnet where everyone tries to be the cool, laidback nothing bothers me mum/dad. An unknown person takes your child from nursery and has around 15 mins of unaccounted time with them and people are saying no need to worry just a mistake.... COME ON

The same people who say “I think it’s great that my daughter’s nappy is being changed by male staff at nursery as it’s important that men are in caring roles too!!” 😆

Imagine how that poor child felt.
Being given to a stranger and then being put into car and driving off.
That child will be traumatisd

Are you one of the nursery staff? 🙄

Tell that to Yvette Cloete.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm

I agree it's not a bad thing, I watch my DGC like a hawk when they are in my care and if collecting them from school/nursery, happily provide all the information asked for but labelling this man a paedophile online and inferring that male nursery workers are paedophiles is wrong and could destroy so many innocent peoples lives.
FWIW my DGD key worker in nursery was male her parents had no issue whatsoever with this. They all remember him and what he did for a micro-preemie little girl

The biggest issue here is the nursery lying to the parents and then minimising.

Mistakes happen. Being transparent about how they happened, and what is being put into place to prevent them happening again, is what rebuilds trust.

when DS4 was in the baby room at nursery they nearly handed DH the wrong baby. The worker realised at the last minute. It was treated as a ‘near miss’ by the nursery, and they issued a newsletter detailing what had happened - which was one nursery member saying “there’s DH’sname here for pick up”. A newish member of staff picked up a baby whose dad has the same name and headed for the door. Since that day parents don’t have names at that nursery - everyone is X’s Mum/dad/granny/aunty to absolutely minimise the risk of that happening again.

The word in the local area is that another child's dad showed up to pick up their child. This dad was buzzed in on the intercom by a member of staff in the front office. Another child's grandad was behind him and the dad, trying to be polite, has held the door open for the grandad and this allowed the grandad to enter the nursery without there being any formal log of the event. Somehow whoever was sat in the office had not clocked that someone followed the dad in. Maybe they assumed that he was related to the dad and accompanying them to pick up the dad's child?

The grandad has then gone into the nap room, picked up the (wrong) child and left and it was missed by the staff as they had no formal log of the grandad being in the building, they were probably preoccupied with handing over the other child to their dad. Apparently the dad that held the door open received a bollocking from the nursery and was told to never do it again and all the parents were sent correspondence also warning them.

My child isn't at this exact nursery but will be attending a nursery of the same chain very close by and I'm baffled by it all to be fair. I've chosen to not withdraw my child as I am sure they will be extra on the ball with security now.

I have spoken to people who have chosen to keep their child at the nursery on the basis that it's another dad who let the bloke in rather than a case of a staff member handing a child over to a randomer.

I assume you are joking, that's not the same thing at all.
I agree the nursery have acted shockingly and can't believe two members of staff didn't know this grandfather picked up the wrong child but I seriously doubt the grandfather deliberately picked up the wrong child and did something awful in the 15; minutes he was alone with her.
As I said this is an issue for Ofsted and they will investigate because even if the nursery didn't tell them (they should have done) it's public knowledge now.
More than likely the nursery will be closed down.

Chances are, he didn’t and it’s all a big misunderstanding.

But we cannot say this 100%.

Like I said before. It's your husband or your dad or your brother you should be more concerned about...

If it turns out the nursery were unaware a child had been removed from the building by a random person they had no idea had been in the building then they should be shut down. That simply should not be able to happen.

If that’s accurate the staff and management should be thanking their lucky stars that it was a grandparent there for a genuine pick up (even though it was cocked up) and the child was returned unharmed.

If a grandmother had gone to nursery to pick up her grandchild and left with the wrong baby I think most people would be seriously concerned about the grandma's welfare. I know I'd certainly be worried about my mum and would ask her to go to the GP if she had done that. I'd certainly doubt her ability to care for my child from that point. You would expect your child's grandmother to know their face.

People seem to be downplaying what the grandad has done here and I think it's because he's a bloke and it's the stereotype of "well blokes are useless with babies". But it's actually very concerning.

Unless there's a background that the grandad barely sees the child, then I hope he's had some sort of medical assessment.

The headline is somewhat misleading. It wasn't a random stranger. It was the grandparent of another child so someone presumably known to the nursery.

No it won't. Just maybe a bit confused.