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WIBU to divorce due to DH quitting his job whilst I’m a SAHM?

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Ilovechristmasssssssssssss · Today 12:09

We have young children under the age of 5.

I’m a SAHM whilst DH works (which we are both in agreement with). He has a high earning role, but has been increasingly unhappy with the politics of the job.

He came home and announced that he is quitting tomorrow. Nothing lined up but says he will ‘make it work’. Worst case scenario we will have to sell our home and downsize.

Despite him having a well paid role, we have zero savings as our outgoings are high and due to some other factors. We have a minimum debt payment of £3,000 per month (DH brings home approx £10,000 per month).

I am considering telling him that it’s over between us if he does this. I am fed up of picking up everything family-wise for him to just throw our lives into turmoil like this.

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Daygloboo · Today 15:03

Ilovechristmasssssssssssss · Today 12:09

We have young children under the age of 5.

I’m a SAHM whilst DH works (which we are both in agreement with). He has a high earning role, but has been increasingly unhappy with the politics of the job.

He came home and announced that he is quitting tomorrow. Nothing lined up but says he will ‘make it work’. Worst case scenario we will have to sell our home and downsize.

Despite him having a well paid role, we have zero savings as our outgoings are high and due to some other factors. We have a minimum debt payment of £3,000 per month (DH brings home approx £10,000 per month).

I am considering telling him that it’s over between us if he does this. I am fed up of picking up everything family-wise for him to just throw our lives into turmoil like this.

You should split up. Neither of you sounds supportive of the other. Doomed.

Pessismistic · Today 15:03

Hi op I wouldn’t be threatening him with divorce but you both need to sit down like 2 adults and discuss your situation if he just leaves a job of 10k salary a month he’s being an idiot but if the pressure is really affecting him tell him to go off sick for a bit to work through everything but he needs to know with no income you won’t qualify for benefits as he’s thrown away his income you might get something if you split but won’t be much with you having a mortgage. Either way going down that much money will affect everything you might lose the house before you get to sell it. His best thing to do is go off sick before he throws the towel in.

diddl · Today 15:04

Backedoffhackedoff · Today 14:08

so youre married to a man who would rather another family member (presumably fairly distant since they don’t help you now) moved in to look after his children JUST AFTER THEIR MOTHER DIED rather than get a job that doesn’t involve travel?

did you really believe him when he told you that? 😂 c’mon OP. Get some sense!

That's weird isn't it?

Whinge · Today 15:05

Soontobe60 · Today 15:00

If you’re in so much debt, why didn’t you get a job too? That’s what most families who are in debt do - cut down on their excess spending, downsize their house, up their working hours for more pay.
If he is bringing in 10K a month and the debt payments are 3k, that leaves you with 7k income. Most people dream of that amount.

Exactly.

But instead of cutting down on their excess spending, downsizing their house or upping their working hours, OP and her husband decided to send a child to private school. Confused It makes absolutely no sense.

Charliede1182 · Today 15:06

It sounds as if you are already unhappy with the relationship and if so then longer term you probably would be better off separating. If being with someone is expressly contingent on them bringing in a high salary, this is not a good foundation anyway.

Whilst it does seem irresponsible to just quit a job with no replacement when you have dependents, in situations where there is bullying or abuse in a workplace it can be really harmful to stay.

However getting into that kind of debt and outgoings with no financial cushion speaks to a broader pattern of irresponsible behaviour.

If I were you I would start getting your ducks in a row by looking for a job of your own so that you aren't completely dependent on someone else.

TeaCupTinsel · Today 15:06

The only other thing I would say is that you really need your own income to build an emergency fund for yourself and also to clear more of the debt.

The work from home hub I've heard is very good and you could work around your children from home.

It is doable, I work two part time jobs (one from home) as I can't work out of the house full time for health reasons. One of my jobs is rigid and the other is flexible, whilst running a home (as much as I can) and managing the kids. It's a real slog but it's definitely achievable.

Soontobe60 · Today 15:06

Ilovechristmasssssssssssss · Today 12:55

Why do you presume it’s the life style I’ve dreamt of?

DH admits he was too embarrassed to admit that his position was lower paid than he said. It’s him who wanted me to be a SAHM, and for us to have ‘this’ lifestyle as opposed to it being me demanding things of him!

You say your Dc are under 5, and he accumulated £150K credit card debt. I’m assuming that debt was created since the DC arrived, ie at most, 5 years ago? How did you not know? Have you absolved yourself of all financial responsibility in your marriage? I just don’t understand how someone can be so ignorant of joint finances.

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 15:07

Am stunned by the comments about nannies and OP’d DH managing alone.

[Disclaimer - am bored my DH is away on business and I could be doing the ironing, but I am whiling away the last 10mins fathoming out the income/debt issue. I have AuDHD so fell down the rabbit hole].

Basing this back-of-the-envelope calculation on friends and local property market in the London/Surrey&Hants borders/commuter belt and local private schools.

If net pay is £10kpcm, then gross salary is around £200k pa. Am going to assume it is.

On that basis I am going to assume they have a london/SE 3-4 bed property, probably worth £1.2-1.5m, on which there is likely a significant mortgage. As both are in their 30s, and no inheritance has been mentioned, I am going to guess that an outstanding mortgage debt is likely in the region on £800k. Repayments will be approx £4000pcm at present rates.

On DH’s salary, nursery place funding would not have been available, and the likelihood is that DC1 attended the nursery linked to the school as this is the norm where I live. Local to me this is around £75 per day. Full time, fees would have been £13.5k pa; will assume only part time, so maybe only £6k (£500 pcm). Y1 private school fees near me range from 14-16000pa, before school uniform, day trips, theatre visits and extra curriculars, etc, so this will increase on average by an additional £1000pcm, from the current £500. Assuming DC2 isn’t about to start nursery also? If so, then potentially a another £1500 pcm to find from September (not fees paid termly and usually in advance however].

They probably run two cars - so even if one is a paid off old banger there is still likely to be £500pcm in car finance. If not more. Add fuel poss another £200pcm

Council tax in commuter belt for a 4bed exec house is around £3500pcm, so £325pcm

Add £400 pcm for water, electric, gas

Commuting to London: from most towns near me an annual pass to London is £4500, so £375 pcm.

So we are at £6000pcm outgoings currently, rising to £7000 or £7500 when school fees replace or get added on top of nursery fees.

And this is before: food, clothing, credit card debts, landline/broadband, netflix subscriptions, toiletries, children's clothes/shoes, adult clothes/shoes, hair cuts, dentist, prescription charges, insurance (car and household), any car servicing/MOT - easily another £2000, taking this up to £9000-9500pcm.

I have no idea, looking at this, why OP thinks they could ever have afforded private school at all, unless there are bonuses, and OP’s DH certainly cannot afford a nanny in her place - a young nanny for 40hrs per week on national minimum wage costs £26,000 (plus you are required to pay NI stamps, and in fact they earn more than this obviously). There is no way OP’s husband can find the additional £2500 pcm to cover that given those figures should anything happen to OP.

And it is absolutely totally explainable how his debt has wracked up - personal spending, meals at work, family holidays for 2 weeks a year, Christmas, meals out. Times that by 3-4 years, on a card charging 29.9% interest and it is easy to see where debt built up.

Essentially, DH could not afford to have a SAH wife long term given where they likely live in the SE.

I posit that both OP and her DH have been living in cloud cuckoo land. OP has had no idea what his income covers because she cannot see outgoings, and DH for some unfathomable reason has never sat down and shown her the outgoings v his income. Whether he’s been embarrassed to explain that, good though his salary is on paper, it goes nowhere in the SE. He should have made it clear that private school was not viable, that she would need to start planning to return to work in some capacity at some point.

The fact that OP’s response was, if he quits AIBU to divorce him would suggest that he knows or feels that she is only interested in what he brings to the table financially - not him or his well-being. I think he’s been too scared to level with her precisely because he feared she would leave - only they now are on the the point where he cannot cope with the stress of his job on top of the financial commitments he cannot meet. I think he feels like an abject failure because je cannot give her the luxury life and private school educations she hankers for. They are both in a mess of their own making - but, essentially, private school cannot happen. And I’d suggest that, actually, downsizing to a 2 bed flat may be their only option. Plus some marriage counselling where they learn to speak openly and honestly.

So… going to go and do that ironing now. Maybe get myself a kitkat and put netflix on.

CrazyMidget · Today 15:08

He wants to quit a 10k-a-month job when you have 3k a month in debt repayments and no second salary? Is he completely mad? No. Just no.

He needs a) some time off and b) to look for another job. That's what you do in these situations. You don't just throw away an income stream like that.

The time off: This can be sorted quite quickly. He can either get signed off for a month with stress, or he can take holiday time if he has some, or if neither of these are options and he's really desperate - which it sounds like he is - then he has to magick up a severe Covid infection and have the next two weeks off.

It doesn't matter how he does it. Time off - now.

And then he can think about another job.

Backedoffhackedoff · Today 15:08

diddl · Today 15:04

That's weird isn't it?

I can only imagine it’s bravado, or a lie, because otherwise it makes the pair of them unbelievably shit parents. Imagine your children lose a parent and you don’t skip a beat 🤔

herbetta · Today 15:09

Ilovechristmasssssssssssss · Today 12:44

He took a lower paid position at one point, but didn’t tell me it was lower paid. Our life style didn’t change and the total debt was over £150,000 on credit cards without my knowledge.

And without a job this will happen again.

The jobs market is DIRE at the moment.

If he's so wanted at work, why can't he negotiate to NOT work on said project with differing politics?

Pedant61 · Today 15:10

What a ridiculous reaction. Don't you love him, OP? You talk about him as if he's only useful as a cashpoint. The poor guy - he's having a tough time and you want to dump him. How about supporting him, and working things out together? You know, like a marriage...

Backedoffhackedoff · Today 15:11

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 15:07

Am stunned by the comments about nannies and OP’d DH managing alone.

[Disclaimer - am bored my DH is away on business and I could be doing the ironing, but I am whiling away the last 10mins fathoming out the income/debt issue. I have AuDHD so fell down the rabbit hole].

Basing this back-of-the-envelope calculation on friends and local property market in the London/Surrey&Hants borders/commuter belt and local private schools.

If net pay is £10kpcm, then gross salary is around £200k pa. Am going to assume it is.

On that basis I am going to assume they have a london/SE 3-4 bed property, probably worth £1.2-1.5m, on which there is likely a significant mortgage. As both are in their 30s, and no inheritance has been mentioned, I am going to guess that an outstanding mortgage debt is likely in the region on £800k. Repayments will be approx £4000pcm at present rates.

On DH’s salary, nursery place funding would not have been available, and the likelihood is that DC1 attended the nursery linked to the school as this is the norm where I live. Local to me this is around £75 per day. Full time, fees would have been £13.5k pa; will assume only part time, so maybe only £6k (£500 pcm). Y1 private school fees near me range from 14-16000pa, before school uniform, day trips, theatre visits and extra curriculars, etc, so this will increase on average by an additional £1000pcm, from the current £500. Assuming DC2 isn’t about to start nursery also? If so, then potentially a another £1500 pcm to find from September (not fees paid termly and usually in advance however].

They probably run two cars - so even if one is a paid off old banger there is still likely to be £500pcm in car finance. If not more. Add fuel poss another £200pcm

Council tax in commuter belt for a 4bed exec house is around £3500pcm, so £325pcm

Add £400 pcm for water, electric, gas

Commuting to London: from most towns near me an annual pass to London is £4500, so £375 pcm.

So we are at £6000pcm outgoings currently, rising to £7000 or £7500 when school fees replace or get added on top of nursery fees.

And this is before: food, clothing, credit card debts, landline/broadband, netflix subscriptions, toiletries, children's clothes/shoes, adult clothes/shoes, hair cuts, dentist, prescription charges, insurance (car and household), any car servicing/MOT - easily another £2000, taking this up to £9000-9500pcm.

I have no idea, looking at this, why OP thinks they could ever have afforded private school at all, unless there are bonuses, and OP’s DH certainly cannot afford a nanny in her place - a young nanny for 40hrs per week on national minimum wage costs £26,000 (plus you are required to pay NI stamps, and in fact they earn more than this obviously). There is no way OP’s husband can find the additional £2500 pcm to cover that given those figures should anything happen to OP.

And it is absolutely totally explainable how his debt has wracked up - personal spending, meals at work, family holidays for 2 weeks a year, Christmas, meals out. Times that by 3-4 years, on a card charging 29.9% interest and it is easy to see where debt built up.

Essentially, DH could not afford to have a SAH wife long term given where they likely live in the SE.

I posit that both OP and her DH have been living in cloud cuckoo land. OP has had no idea what his income covers because she cannot see outgoings, and DH for some unfathomable reason has never sat down and shown her the outgoings v his income. Whether he’s been embarrassed to explain that, good though his salary is on paper, it goes nowhere in the SE. He should have made it clear that private school was not viable, that she would need to start planning to return to work in some capacity at some point.

The fact that OP’s response was, if he quits AIBU to divorce him would suggest that he knows or feels that she is only interested in what he brings to the table financially - not him or his well-being. I think he’s been too scared to level with her precisely because he feared she would leave - only they now are on the the point where he cannot cope with the stress of his job on top of the financial commitments he cannot meet. I think he feels like an abject failure because je cannot give her the luxury life and private school educations she hankers for. They are both in a mess of their own making - but, essentially, private school cannot happen. And I’d suggest that, actually, downsizing to a 2 bed flat may be their only option. Plus some marriage counselling where they learn to speak openly and honestly.

So… going to go and do that ironing now. Maybe get myself a kitkat and put netflix on.

😂😂😂 this is quite the imagination and thought has gone into it alternatively, I earn £150k. I live in one of those commuter belt towns you mention in a £650k house with a £300k mortgage.

I do have a nanny though

Soontobe60 · Today 15:11

Ilovechristmasssssssssssss · Today 13:18

Why is everyone so focused on the school fees? We have a child turning 5 soon. They’re starting year 1 in September!

Because your story doesnt add up. You included school fees in your explanation of how the debts were incurred, which are now being paid off as he has a better paid job. You also say you are a SAHM to 2 DC under 5, and that you have a baby and a toddler. So really, as your eldest child is in Reception, they’re not a toddler, and you’d only have been paying school fees for a year. Why put them in private school when you had £150k debt?

MxCactus · Today 15:14

OP live-in nannies cost £3-5k a month. If he's bringing in 10k a month he could afford that! And they'd do overnights etc for trips

He might have to downgrade his lifestyle to pay for it, but he wouldn't 'need' a SAHP to do his job, just live-in childcare.

Lavenderblue11 · Today 15:15

Ilovechristmasssssssssssss · Today 12:23

Because he earns well and my contribution is more valuable to our home and family than financially.

You might feel that your contribution to the home and family is more valuable, but are you 'there' for your husband? Has he got your emotional support whilst he's going through the shit at work, or is he just useful because of the huge amount of money he brings in every month? I'm surprised it's not him considering a divorce, he sounds like he's got a shit life both at work and home.

Soontobe60 · Today 15:16

Ilovechristmasssssssssssss · Today 13:51

Because my DH wouldn’t be able to do his job without me being a SAHM?

Don’t be ridiculous - of course he would! There are many 2 parent families where one of the parents works away and the other parent works. Amazingly, they manage perfectly fine. The bonus you have is that your DH earns enough to pay for a cleaner, gardener, nice nursery etc. you say he wanted you to be a SAHM - did you argue and say that you’d much rather continue with your career after mat leave? I bet you didn’t.
What was your job before you had children?

intrepidpanda · Today 15:17

Sounds like you love his money more than him
If he is struggling to the extent he feels he needs to quit then he is in a bad place and you need to sit down together and come up with a plan
Both part time perhaps?
He needs support not a tantrum

Feelfreee · Today 15:18

Dragonscaledaisy · Today 14:55

He's probably earning around 250 k if the 10k/month is his net income.

I meant £120k take home. I don’t understand how wealthy people end up in debt and have high mortgages!

Soontobe60 · Today 15:19

Ilovechristmasssssssssssss · Today 14:04

We’ve discussed this and have planned for it. A retired family member would move in permanently.

To do what? Are you incapable of looking after your own children?

NoAprilFool · Today 15:20

OvernightOats101 · Today 14:05

because not everybody works a 9 to 5, and some parents might be able to manage with nurseries, but others need longer and more flexible hours.
nothing wrong with having a nanny?

You can also keep the nanny when they start school and you need even more wraparound care, not less. Schools are more difficult than nurseries for a working parent.

You just employ the most suitable and realistic childcare for your lifestyle. It's not that hard.

Eh? I didn’t say there was anything wrong with having a nanny? OP seemed to think it was the only way her DH could do his job - either with an SAHM or a full time, live in nanny. I was pointing out that was nonsense.

PinkyFlamingo · Today 15:20

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So you believe women that stay at home to look after the children are "kept" women then living off a man? What a bizarre way to think!

NeedSomeEmotionalSupport · Today 15:20

I can see why you are frustrated. If you are seriously considering leaving your DH, then take some time to prepare. You need to learn all you can about your family finances (mortgage details, any other debts, savings accounts, pension accounts etc). You need to take copies of all these so he won't hide anything from you.
Other consideration is that if you divorce when he has no job you might get smaller share of assets than you would if he had a high paying job. So perhaps take your time, get yourself ready for employment (job lines up, childcare sorted).

Dragonscaledaisy · Today 15:21

Feelfreee · Today 15:18

I meant £120k take home. I don’t understand how wealthy people end up in debt and have high mortgages!

Oh, my apologies. Yes, it's very foolish but even if it happens, surely you'd take immediate steps to minimise your outgoings to try and get back on track. Knowing you have so much debt must be very stressful.

Kokonimater · Today 15:21

It seems like you don’t love him anymore. You don’t have to stay with him if you are unhappy.