What is going on in this house?

[Neighbourmystery]

Right, this is going to sound nosy but here goes...
A house in a street I know was owned by an old lady with no family. When she died, her house stood empty for nearly a year then it started having work done. It's been bought by a health service far away from he town we live in (think I live in Liverpool and NHS Devon and Cornwall bought it) BTW these are not the real locations. So, they do lots of renovations, including putting a much higher fence up which has a key code entry they also put frosted film on every window. There's a new build extension on the side with coded keypads too. This is where 2 carers are. There are 4 carers altogether, 2 at a time and then a swap. There is one man who lives there . He is in his 30s , able bodied can move well etc I've seen him once or twice in the garden in a whole year. Another twice I saw a darkened van come to get him. He was only gone for an hour or so then back.
I cannot imagine the scenario this might be. I'm not curtain twitching and permanently watching but I am fascinated.

You're not nosy - just interested. Hmm ok then. You're not curtain twitching you just happened to see all the comings and goings to the mystery house. You know you haven't the right to know but want to anyway.

If you find out do let us know. I'm not nosy either but I just like to know things.

If you read my posts you'll see I haven't seen him often and I'm not watching the house all the time. There's a lot of weird people o this thread who are determined to see offence or nastiness even when it's been clarified multiple times in a polite way

If it’s been bought by out of area NHS then I would imagine he’s psych patient but maybe has had to move out of area because he was abused in domestic way or committed a crime and they can’t be tried due to vulnerability

I'm surprised anyone asks anything on mumsnet these days with the amount of nasty, bitchy comments on here.

OP it's human nature to wonder about these things so it's not you who's weird. Can't say the same for some others though 😂

It isn’t necessary to sell the home you are living in to access home care. My mother had 2.1 care when in the advanced stages of dementia and remained at home until the end with their help. And without knowing the circumstances of the people in these assisted living facilities you have no way of knowing what their contribution is to their own care.

Yes, pretty much. The care wouldn’t be full time as in a nursing home but the visits can be as often as four times a day for up to an hour, and there would be other services offered, such as home helps. All would need to be paid for. And I’m saying again, without knowing the circumstances you are making a huge assumption that this man’s care is free.

This.

Exactly. As a society, we have moved on from putting people into institutions for the rest of their lives. They were terrible places.

And running an entire place costs more than individualised arrangements for the few people who need the type of support that OP's neighbour has.

How much nicer to live in your own house than an institution.

Not quite that simple. At £23,250 or more you are responsible for funding yourself until you fall below the limit. If your assets are between £14,250 and £23,250, the council will expect you to contribute £1 per week for every £250 you have between these two figures. It’s not until your savings fall below £14,250 that they are no longer counted in the financial assessment, and any income you have will still be counted using the minimum income guarantee. It’s only if your income falls below this that you won’t be asked to pay the full cost of your care, minus any disability related costs.

You're such a good person, Vivienne. Not like the rest of us. How can we become more like you? 🤣🤣🤣

They look like carers, they dress like carers, they wear lanyards, so obviously they are carers. Maybe they are, maybe they're not. They probably are, but they might not be. House appears to have been bought by an NHS trust. It could easily be being rented out to another government department. It probably isn't, but it could be.

There are some things we do not need to know because the shit will hit the fan if the wrong people find out. This probably isn't one of them, but it might be.

And? I said eligible. The point being that over that amount the elderly person is liable for the entire cost of their care.

The only areas that doesn’t apply is if they require nursing care, which many elderly despite being infirm, even late stage dementia, do not; or they have been in hospital, in which case there will generally be a short term care plan paid for by the la for a number of weeks.

I have no idea what any of this means as they are carers

Dementia on its own is not complex care.

As noted you only qualify for state care with savings under ~£23k.

State care for dementia would be at most 2-4 visits a day. Supposedly up to an hour, generally 10-20 mins. When that is no longer sufficient, they are moved into care homes.

Wonder if it’s someone notorious like Robert Thompson.

If you look at all my posts I have said complex care not all care so I didnt respond to your post as wasn't sure what you were getting at?
i have worked in commissioning complex care packages

I expect this is the kind of rage OP is after. Either that or “how dare this guy live in my community”

All under the guise of “I’m so curious”

The film over the windows and the car windows would suggest that it's more likely someone with severe ASD, per a PP who worked with someone like with this who had the film over the windows because small changes outside would upset him.

Also, Robert Thompson has been out for years and has not reoffended (unlike Venables). You don't have multiple carers and assisted living in that situation.

Hard disagree. It's totally normal and natural to be curious about irregular goings-on at a house near yours.

OP, ignore the people who are getting at you. They'd feel exactly the same as you, in your shoes.

The poster you were responding to referenced specifically dementia or infirmity.

Your response only related to complex care which is not the same thing.

There used to be a poster on here who had an autistic child with severe learning difficulties, eventually as an adult he ended up in a hospital and I think the poster did an AMA as she was trying to get him moved into a living situation similar to the one the OP posted about.

Nope. This is anonymous so there would be no need for me to bury that would there? I could just make a post saying it instead of what I have in fact done

Are you sure, though? Maybe they're Lizard People. Have you checked? 🤣🤣

How do you know they are carers and not undercover operatives at a safe house being occupied by an exiled dissident (for instance), who is in imminent danger if the wrong people find out where he is?

<I've been reading too many thrillers>😂

I havent agreed with all of your views but this is very accurate what you have said here.

We have a number of children on DOLs, they have high staff ratios, 3-1, 4-1, we have had higher. They need solo placements because other children cant be placed with them. They cant attend school because they've usually be excluded, cant find a school place for them with their needs, or refusing to go to school etc. Activities need to be supervised with numbers of staff.

Its not a normal life, its isolated and institualisation with a different face, they're not living a normal teenage life.

If the Court choose to discharge the DOLs, you have various professionals jumping up and down that we're not protecting the child, not meeting their needs, missing episodes and harmful behaviour increases, self harm, exploitation etc. But they're not sectionable, criminal justice wont consider criminalising children or remanding them/prosecuting and serving sentences.

You could look at secure units but they tend to choose children they think they can work with and make changes usually around drugs/gangs/crime, not children whose main presenting difficulties are dysregulation and behavioural difficulties.

So you carry on with DOLs and this unnatural life