Aibu thinking Scots shouldn't be wanting Argentina to win against England?

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It's getting beyond banter now imo.

I know plenty of Scots agree with me.

I'm half Scottish (dad) so always support both. In the past I'd probably want Scotland to win if it was them against England to be honest. Although now because of the Argentina support I'm going off supporting Scotland.

I desperately want England to win this one more than against any other team.

Yep

I find it really childish and silly now. DH is Scottish, I'm English and we live in England. Lots of family on both sides in Scotland and England - so quite a split!

If Scotland, Wales, NI were still in I'd be supporting them (I was absolutely thrilled Scotland qualified, and loved the tartan army in Boston - brilliant!). If England couldn't win I'd 100% be backing our other nations. If they couldn't win, I go to France, Spain, Germany typically as other countries I feel some allegiance with as a neighbour! France are playing really well, so I'd like to see them in the final regardless - at the end of the day, football is entertainment so I hope for an entertaining game!

I don’t really follow football but you’ve got to of been living under a rock to not see this in every type of country v country event.

If football was like euro vision we would be dead last every time 😅

"but you’ve got to of been" That hurts my eyes.

As Private Fraser would say "you're doomed, England, you're doomed"

Now now

Course you would. But it’s not getting you anywhere is it?
We on the other hand are having a blast and are enjoying every moment.
Inverness is miserable on a good day, so I can see why you are such a Debbie Downer.

I will support England over Argentina.
When it comes to the England vs Spain. I will support my beloved Spain. 🇪🇸 💖
This is all in my head as I won’t be watching the football.

Easy to become independent. Give England the vote too and you will be on your own.
You chickened out last time and now even Nicola Sturgeon, the old hero of the SNP, would rather live in England. What went wrong?

You can see why the education system in Scotland is going down the pan.

Especially from England.

But you obviously love Scotland so much, you left…..

They can support whoever they like. I'm Welsh supporting England but it's definitely up to them

Yes of course it's up to them. That's not the point at all 🙈

Sectarian football tribalism in Scotland is a truly nasty thing. It’s astonishing that so many accept it without question.

Having been steeped in that culture it’s perhaps not surprising that Scottish football fans embrace “anyone but England” without really thinking through the deeply unpleasant ramifications. There is an English woman on another thread who lives in Glasgow and says she still does not feel welcome after 10 years.

I guess it unites the Rangers and the Celtic fans though eh?

The clue is in the word ‘Scot’s’ not English, Scots! Any But England …

Well, Scots are also the neighbours of England and “love thy neighbour” is a fairly well-known concept.

I notice you ignored the substance of my post where I explainined some of the context around what happened in Argentina and the pain that was felt by all sides. I am genuinely happy for you that as someone who lives in England, you haven't had to live in fear of the government kidnapping you, taking you to a clandestine detention centre, drugging you, and then dumping your body into the sea. Afterwards, families never discovered what really happened, never got closure, and many died having never discovered the truth about what happened to their son/daughter/brother/sister/mother/father/friend etc. This didn't just happen to one or two people, thousands of people disappeared.

Living in Argentina has allowed me to understand more about this really painful part of their history and how fortunate I am in many regards. The majority of people I've been lucky enough to meet here are kind, decent people trying to make the best of their life - a bit like most other people in the world.

I love Scotland and I also love Argentina. Both are possible at the same time.

I will point out two things - when it was Brasil v Scotland, the vast majority of people in Argentina were supporting Scotland, because the rivalry of Brasil v Argentina is very similar to the Scotland v England rivalry. And tomorrow, most Brasilians will be shouting for England, rather than Argentina.

I also happen to love Brasil, so I won't be getting offended, or holding it against them.

It is just the way it is and after the match is over, life goes on.

Do you (and other Argentina supporters here) have any view of the racism from the Argentina fans? The team has a history of racist incidents too. Not great really, and perhaps not the best team to spite-support?

Lots of old sayings in this thread. And I’m old.

but my late grandfather used to say

it’s is because if Scotland wins anything it’s the UK. It they lose it’s Scotland.

if England wins anything it’s England. If they lose it’s the UK.

Thats how they were told to report it. That’s how it is reported.

Why would I care what they think

I know they would rather be in the position the English supporters and team are now in but the Scottish team simply where not good enough

This is a legitimate point, and it is something that needs to be addressed. Unfortunately, unpleasant fans and supporters exist in all teams and if we start judging the majority based on the behaviour of a minority, the world is going to be an even more depressing place.

I can only really speak about Scotland, because I don't know very much about English teams (I doubt it's that different), but just because some Celtic and Rangers fans behave in an atrocious way, it doesn't mean that the majority of supporters of those teams are anything other than normal, pleasant and reasonable people.

I don't like Rangers very much, but I wouldn't question the integrity of someone who supports them, or make judgements about their character based on the negative actions of a small minority.

All I can say, as someone who is living in Argentina, and is married to someone who is black, we have never had any incidences of racism, or any situations where I believe we have been treated in an intentionally malicious or xenephobic way. Actually, I've found people here very welcoming, easy to get along with, and I love the culture here. Maybe all the people posting negative things about Argentina should come and visit, and then make a judgement?

It's why I love living and travelling to different places. It breaks down a lot of negative misconceptions that aren't rooted in reality.

YABU

I don’t think anyone gets to decide who someone else should support. And in all honesty, why do you care? Support who you like, let others do the same.

England has plenty of its own supporters (more people in greater London than the whole of Scotland after all). It’s not like it makes any difference to the outcome either.

FWIW I’m Scottish- not much into football. I might be more inclined to support England if your media (and I include those who are allegedly British, not English) had a little less arrogance and a lot more humility. And if I thought that if you were to win, it would be anything other than excruciating for the foreseeable future.

Before anyone says it- it’s not jealousy. We know Scotland aren’t likely to win a World Cup. We accepted it a long time ago and most of us are ok with it (even if we might secretly keep a tiny flicker of hope alive 😜).

YABU - and I am English, although mostly Scottish, Irish and Welsh ethnicity. People can support who they like - why would anyone else care?!

The media are definitely pro-English. English = English, rest of UK = British 😱

Proud Scot here but I find the anti English schtick embarrassing beyond belief. A bit of banter is fun but some go too far and it’s awful.