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Why does everyone hate us so much ?!

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englandd · Yesterday 08:52

I’m talking about being English, spent alot of time on the cesspit that is Reddit this World Cup and the vast majority absolutely hate England, I known it stems from the British empire but as far as I’m aware it wasn’t just England who were bad back then was it ? I mean Spain and Portugal took a big part in colonialism too but why is it just the English that gets the hate ?
Last night I would’ve been genuinely happy to support Norway if they went through, I can’t imagine hating another nation so badly. Maybe I shouldn’t take it personally 😆

Aibu ? Do we deserve the hate we get from something that happened hundreds of years ago ? For what it’s worth the British empire were ruthless and I don’t celebrate anything they did, but I also don’t think we should be punished still for something that happened so so long ago.

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KeepDancing1 · Yesterday 16:12

OvernightBloats · Yesterday 09:43

The song, 'It's coming home' is a jokey, tongue-in-cheek song written by comedians. It's sung with hope with an element of humour behind it. People who don't get this are interpreting it wrongly.

As other PPs said, it's that the sarcasm is lost on some people. Don't take it so seriously - it's not the National Anthem!

Edited

It seems to have been largely forgotten that Three Lions was released in the run-up to Euro ‘96, when ‘it’ (football) was about to ‘come home’ (to the place it originated), as England was hosting the competition!

Livelovebehappy · Yesterday 16:12

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But we can’t help it if we’re good at most things. Of course we’re going to celebrate and self congratulate. Why wouldn’t we?

lovecotswoldsliving · Yesterday 16:12

Gloriia · Yesterday 16:10

'I'm not bitter bc I don't give a shit about football. I'm answering the OPs question. Thanks!'

Yeah it really sounds like you aren't bitter Grin.

Lolablue.
what an asset to your country you must be.
You will have an aneurysm with all that hatred inside you.

Loloblue · Yesterday 16:13

lovecotswoldsliving · Yesterday 16:12

Lolablue.
what an asset to your country you must be.
You will have an aneurysm with all that hatred inside you.

Huh?

CuteOrangeElephant · Yesterday 16:13

Why do you think everyone hates the English in the first place?

I am Dutch and I can assure you we do not really think about you very much at all.

NickSaidSheWasDull · Yesterday 16:14

Livelovebehappy · Yesterday 16:10

But we don’t. I love my country, and generally the majority of people living here. And I feel very proud to be English. That’s the problem. People want us to self hate, but we just don’t. Thats why I don’t get why some races living here feel such a lack of self belief and security. Just be happy in your own skin. If you are, then it shows. Always be happy with who you are.

I agree! Well said. The truth is Brits don’t self hate, but younger ones politely pretend to, to placate the envious attackers. Scratch the surface and you’ll find they know the value of Britishness, they are just being social chameleons because the misery guts ones have such loud voices. Anything to shut up the moaners!

lovecotswoldsliving · Yesterday 16:14

CuteOrangeElephant · Yesterday 16:13

Why do you think everyone hates the English in the first place?

I am Dutch and I can assure you we do not really think about you very much at all.

Exactly this.

NickSaidSheWasDull · Yesterday 16:15

CuteOrangeElephant · Yesterday 16:13

Why do you think everyone hates the English in the first place?

I am Dutch and I can assure you we do not really think about you very much at all.

True facts! And we never think about the Dutch! Everybody’s happy with that arrangement, sounds sane.

ThisISmycircusandtheseAREmymonkeys · Yesterday 16:16

CuteOrangeElephant · Yesterday 16:13

Why do you think everyone hates the English in the first place?

I am Dutch and I can assure you we do not really think about you very much at all.

Scandinavian here. I agree. Nobody cares really.

I just felt sorry for you when in Amsterdam and the UK people couldn’t bring any cheese home. 😅

CovenOfCheeses · Yesterday 16:16

englandd · Yesterday 08:52

I’m talking about being English, spent alot of time on the cesspit that is Reddit this World Cup and the vast majority absolutely hate England, I known it stems from the British empire but as far as I’m aware it wasn’t just England who were bad back then was it ? I mean Spain and Portugal took a big part in colonialism too but why is it just the English that gets the hate ?
Last night I would’ve been genuinely happy to support Norway if they went through, I can’t imagine hating another nation so badly. Maybe I shouldn’t take it personally 😆

Aibu ? Do we deserve the hate we get from something that happened hundreds of years ago ? For what it’s worth the British empire were ruthless and I don’t celebrate anything they did, but I also don’t think we should be punished still for something that happened so so long ago.

I saw the match in Lanzarote. The oafish drunken louts who scream xenophobic and racist nonsense during the match, tried to start fights with Irish and Scottish people walking past who were not wearing England shirts and their general demeanour alongside the way they spoke to their pink or red overweight dyed blond partners in such an aggressive and demeaning sexist manner made me ashamed to be British. I speak fluent Spanish and usually avoid British places but could understand why the locals do not like the British (but ventured to a pub as was curious about the match and didn’t have a TV at my house) who seem to have a sense of entitlement. I was shocked on holiday to see rude British people who just wanted English food and cheap beer in the sun while complaining loudly about foreigners.

Hiyaeveryone · Yesterday 16:17

CodifyThis · Yesterday 13:10

There's always been a fair amount of 'anyone but England' in football, but I agree Reddit has been particularly bad this World Cup. I wonder if a fair bit isn't Russian bots stirring up discord - even this thread feels like a load of bots arguing back and forth and raising the level of vitriol until we all hate each other.

Yes, take with a pinch of salt what you read on the internet - trust your own experience face to face.

MrsPapillon · Yesterday 16:17

ThaQuilomum · Yesterday 15:43

For me, as an irish person, it is 100 per cent our complicated history. England spent centuries beating the Irish language out of us. When the potato crop failed, the British government watched a million people starve while exporting Ireland's actual food for profit. They sliced the island in two on their way out, creating a political mess in Northern Ireland that remains a massive issue to this day. The ultimate joke is that while Ireland remembers every single bit of this 800-year history, English schoolkids are learning about Henry VIII’s wives, the tudors, world war 1 and 2. Do English kids learn how one million irish people died in the famine while they watched on!??

Basically, they invaded us, starved us, broke the country, forgot they did it, and now wonder why we don't cheer for them in the Euros.

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I understand that, but while you were being subjugated by the English establishment, so was the common Englishman. We had our land taken. Our people were left to starve during poor harvests (though not on the scale of Ireland) and latterly sent to workhouses where they died from disease or overwork. We couldn’t vote. We had no power to change the system, and revolts ended badly (Peterloo massacre, etc). We were working 16 hour days and dying of cholera and TB.

People ask why the English are obsessed with class without understanding where it stems from. Why do the working class have so little respect for the upper classes? Why do the upper classes still treat us as scum? You only need look at our history to understand why.

The Irish have far more in common with the average Englishman than they’d like to believe. The “English” that you should hate are actually the English elites. The English that you do hate, in my area, are descendants of Ireland.

My working-class Grandad taught me all about the Irish famine, the Bengali famine, the slave trade and colonialism, the awful treatment of the Gurkhas by the British army, the Tonypandy riots, etc etc etc. We are absolutely not all uneducated.

Yes, it should absolutely be taught in schools and the syllabus is definitely moving from the ‘Glorious Empire’ that was taught in my grandparents’ day to a more honest, anti-colonial stance.

So yes, it’s frustrating to be roundly hated by the Irish when we weren’t to blame and when our great-great grandparents actually came to Britain in the 1840s to escape the famine.

x2boys · Yesterday 16:17

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 16:11

Good job the Scots win fuck all then. Saves us returning the compliment.

😂😂😂

TheBrunswick · Yesterday 16:17

x2boys · Yesterday 15:49

The irony is though that a lot of English people have irish heritage
My Dad and is.Irish
So your hating peoole that could very well be related to.you.

Exactly.
My Irish great, great grandparents moved to England to escape the famine. Am I supposed to hate myself for what happened even though my ancestors were victims.
It's a bit complicated.

CuteOrangeElephant · Yesterday 16:17

I think the Brits do self hate. I am on holiday in Britain now and I am having a great time together with the rest of my family.

There was a thread on here last month about the worst towns in Britain, by the way people were talking about Great Yarmouth it sounded absolutely awful but whilst it could use some love and investment I had a great time on the seafront.

Gloriia · Yesterday 16:18

The thing is, if we lose on Wed most of us will be very c'est la vie about it.

They've done brilliantly to get this far, bunch of nice lads etc.

They'll be none of the hate and abject fury that some scots excel at. I bet they do a roaring trade in gaviscon North of the border. That's why some can't stand us, we're too proud and resilient compared to their wet whiny ways!

Backedoffhackedoff · Yesterday 16:18

ThisISmycircusandtheseAREmymonkeys · Yesterday 16:16

Scandinavian here. I agree. Nobody cares really.

I just felt sorry for you when in Amsterdam and the UK people couldn’t bring any cheese home. 😅

Edited

Totally. This is why the Irish Welsh and Scot’s getting pissed off (and this idea that “everyone hates the English” seems so strange to English people too. It’s not usual to think about other nations.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 16:18

CovenOfCheeses · Yesterday 16:16

I saw the match in Lanzarote. The oafish drunken louts who scream xenophobic and racist nonsense during the match, tried to start fights with Irish and Scottish people walking past who were not wearing England shirts and their general demeanour alongside the way they spoke to their pink or red overweight dyed blond partners in such an aggressive and demeaning sexist manner made me ashamed to be British. I speak fluent Spanish and usually avoid British places but could understand why the locals do not like the British (but ventured to a pub as was curious about the match and didn’t have a TV at my house) who seem to have a sense of entitlement. I was shocked on holiday to see rude British people who just wanted English food and cheap beer in the sun while complaining loudly about foreigners.

Among the things that never happened. Are you holidaying in the same place as the other poster, who got there before you with the tale?

BackToLurk · Yesterday 16:18

CovenOfCheeses · Yesterday 16:16

I saw the match in Lanzarote. The oafish drunken louts who scream xenophobic and racist nonsense during the match, tried to start fights with Irish and Scottish people walking past who were not wearing England shirts and their general demeanour alongside the way they spoke to their pink or red overweight dyed blond partners in such an aggressive and demeaning sexist manner made me ashamed to be British. I speak fluent Spanish and usually avoid British places but could understand why the locals do not like the British (but ventured to a pub as was curious about the match and didn’t have a TV at my house) who seem to have a sense of entitlement. I was shocked on holiday to see rude British people who just wanted English food and cheap beer in the sun while complaining loudly about foreigners.

I didn't know it was possible to virtue signal so much in one post. Well done madam.

AbsolutelyAvocadorable · Yesterday 16:19

Try being English living in Scotland…so many people want to pass it off as “banter” but it doesn’t feel that way. I’ll never watch an England match in a public place, it’s just not worth the hassle.

YourAmplePlumPoster · Yesterday 16:21

Just got back from Paris for a weekend. Hanging outside Hotel de Ville, a large banner proclaiming Allez Les Bleus and French flags decking the whole Champs Elysees. The French certainly aren't ashamed of themselves and they had quite a nasty colonial past too.

TheBrunswick · Yesterday 16:22

Backedoffhackedoff · Yesterday 16:18

Totally. This is why the Irish Welsh and Scot’s getting pissed off (and this idea that “everyone hates the English” seems so strange to English people too. It’s not usual to think about other nations.

Tbf the English are living rent free in Scottish football fans heads until we're knocked out or dare i say win. 😆

YourAmplePlumPoster · Yesterday 16:24

TheBrunswick · Yesterday 16:17

Exactly.
My Irish great, great grandparents moved to England to escape the famine. Am I supposed to hate myself for what happened even though my ancestors were victims.
It's a bit complicated.

My Irish relatives moved to England to make money which they did by the barrel load.

HammyHocky · Yesterday 16:25

AbsolutelyAvocadorable · Yesterday 16:19

Try being English living in Scotland…so many people want to pass it off as “banter” but it doesn’t feel that way. I’ll never watch an England match in a public place, it’s just not worth the hassle.

I think those who say it isn’t a big deal haven’t actually experienced being at the sharp end of the vitriol! It absolutely does exist and you have no idea what to do with yourself when it’s happening. As I said upthread, your birthplace is a lottery, not an achievement, so why some people think you should be shamed for where your mother gave birth is very bizarre to me.

notantordec · Yesterday 16:25

God not this again. People don’t like the English football team it’s as simply as that. The fact you can’t get your head around that baffles me 🙄

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