Why does everyone hate us so much ?!

[englandd]

I’m talking about being English, spent alot of time on the cesspit that is Reddit this World Cup and the vast majority absolutely hate England, I known it stems from the British empire but as far as I’m aware it wasn’t just England who were bad back then was it ? I mean Spain and Portugal took a big part in colonialism too but why is it just the English that gets the hate ?
Last night I would’ve been genuinely happy to support Norway if they went through, I can’t imagine hating another nation so badly. Maybe I shouldn’t take it personally 😆

Aibu ? Do we deserve the hate we get from something that happened hundreds of years ago ? For what it’s worth the British empire were ruthless and I don’t celebrate anything they did, but I also don’t think we should be punished still for something that happened so so long ago.

Yes exactly this!

A lot of regular English/British football chants are as well. In particular "we lose every week, you're nothing special we lose every week" etc etc.
I know there are issues with trouble makers within the fans. But to be honest I think the English football league has done more to combat that than some other places, partly because of the 80s football hooligan problems. The club ultras in some countries (cough Italy cough) hold far more power (this does notnhelp Italy as a national team) and also have specific sports clubs fans that are far more explicitly far right than in England or the rest of the UK. That carries over into how the fans of national teams behave. If you look you can find cases still of English fans behaving badly. But we didn't have scenes from the Argentinian supporters during the Argentina-Egypt match, we didn't have politicians saying outright racist things as per Paraguay, and we haven't had blatant cheating from world leaders as per America. So we are doing OK.

I will say, it's not just England fans that get unfairly maligned. If you look at Fox News etc coverage of Mexican fans you would think they were uniquely riotous, burning down American cities etc. But the vast majority of interactions English fans had with Mexican fans before and after the match seemed positive. In general I haven't heard bad things about Mexican fans. Also Moroccan fans have largely celebrated their teams win in a really positive of rowdy way (I spend a lot of time in the Netherlands where there are Moroccan fans) but if you looked at some media or social media channels you would think the whole country was locked down because of their rioting.

I would hope at least that if people feel uncomfortable with the unfair way English football fans are portrayed, or the wild generalisations about English people it makes them think that maybe the things reported about other groups on social media is equally biased and generalising.

Are you suggesting no Welsh people live in England, taking houses from our young people? Or coming to English hospitals for treatment as yours are mostly failing? Or crossing the bridge to get better paid jobs?

This. There are Russian troll farms where they are paid to sow dissent in Western societies via social media. I would never have believed this, except it was found to be true when there was all that hoo-ha about Kate going "missing" after her surgery. The BBC reported on how it was paid Russian trolls whipping it all up. They are on here sometimes I'm sure, and you see it on the Daily Mail comments section sometimes. I signed up so that I can write "Give my regards to Putin, Russian troll." Never had a "I am not a troll" response yet.

So yeah, OP, remember that a lot of it's trolling - whether Russian or just negative angry people who have nothing better to do.

TBH some of the Welsh are contemptible of the English.

I mean if you are loud you may not hear other people talking about English people being loud.

It is not unusual to have one English person in a group monopolising the conversation with their alleged hilarious banter. I have certainly experienced a loud and patronising attitude on multiple occasions in a way I haven't with other nationalities and I have lived in many countries.

Not all English people - my DH would never behave like that. But isn't that akin to the not all men bollocks?

The OP asked why all the hate for England. People are answering it's because you're loud, patronising and arrogant for no good reason and all the responses are no we aren't, other countries are worse - you're just jealous. People are explaining it's historical and the replies show you don't understand the history but are still arguing it's nonsense.

If you aren't interested in the topic - and I don't see why you or any English should be especially in such a celebratory time - you don't need to read the thread. But the majority of English people on this thread are demonstrating all the delusion, arrogance and yes loudness that is being described.

Irish people don't start these threads because most of the time we are celebrated everywhere we go.

The English are known for being extremely loud when it comes to football!

Why would English speakers be speaking foreign languages to me when I speak English? I'm not sure this makes sense ...

Why read that rubbish? It's not any sort of actual poll, just a load of bigots.

You don't think the Norwegian press or their fans were just as obsessed last night?

There is a difference between fans being obsessed and those fans telling others that we must hate them for not wanting to take part in the way they do. That we must not understand if we don't want to take part as they do. That there is something wrong with us if we don't love it like they do.

I've lived in multiple countries, and yes, I do find it an English quirk that not enjoying or taking part in something is treated as a personal insult against those that do and I do find the media largely supports the idea. I don't know any Norwegians that well, but I have Mexican kin and friends, and even the ones that are very passionate about sports would never say that someone's lack of interest is because they don't understand it or hate them or that something is wrong with them and I haven't had the same experience with Mexican media.

Obviously she didn’t see the mayhem and celebrations of Norway and Mexico before their matches. Norway were out on the streets celebrating, Mexico was at a standstill. But dare the English want to celebrate. She sounds like the Office Fun Sponge, sucking the life out of every bit of joy.

I really thought most people found forced corporate 'fun' and those who try to push it to be tedious, especially when they try to make it mandatory.

I said nothing about anyone celebrating. I agree with those that how English fans celebrate is likely not a significant factor even if it's one some reach to explain it - IME, American destruction related to sports is far worse than anything I've seen English fans doing, but I generally don't follow it.

I did write about people at my workplace who do suck the joy out of the room by telling those who don't watch football that we lack patriotism, that we need to learn the joy of coming together to watch England football, that we're weird and that there is something wrong with us for not watching the World Cup or participating in the office events around the World Cup. I've wanted England to lose and am looking forward to the World Cup being over since shortly before the match against Mexico so this type of person has less reason to make these types of remarks as they're getting tiresome, not because I hate England or football or think the English shouldn't celebrate.

I don't think the remarks against those not participating is them celebrating, even if they do it more after a win - it would be an odd way to celebrate. They do the same around many other things. It's probably not just an English thing, but I've only experienced it here where it's normalised IME to treat not participating as a personal insult, alongside the other side of the odd English tightrope I've noticed where one can't be too interested or keen into something without risking being viewed as earnest or a show off. I think Kate Fox wrote about this in her book Watching the English - not being earnest is English rule number 1, but not showing a conventional level of interest in the right things is also an English sin.

I’m not assuming anything of the sort.

I was asking a genuine question.

I have never ever heard ‘the English’ described as arrogant but yet it’s been mentioned many times on this thread.

The specific problem you mentioned about housing, I’m not sure there’s a single English person who’d disagree with them!
Certainly not something to brag about.

I dont think you are celebrated wherever you go at all. I stayed with a french guy who said he hated his time working in Dublin because it was full of people who would try and create faux bonhomie with him over anti-English sentiment when in fact he happens to be an anglophile and their vibe reminded him of the algerians in france

Also loud when drinking.

No big deal to the point we need to deny it.

My parents are Irish so I feel like I have a pretty goood idea of how English are viewed and by spending summers in France Greece and Germany and working in an international company I can’t say I have ever heard of English people being know for being loud.

there are all sorts of stereotypes, accurate and inaccurate about all nationalities yet this is one I’ve never heard of, that’s all. If anything I would say English people are known to reserved as a stereotype

It is not unusual to have one English person in a group monopolising the conversation with their alleged hilarious banter.

In fairness, I think it is English speakers (so I would definitely include Americans), not just English people (which is why I used the term Anglo Saxon above to make that distinction more clearly). Maybe English just lends itself to being loudly articulated.

Ah yes, I forgot the English were to blame for the IRA spending decades blowing up major English cities and killing English children.

Speak for yourself.
I'm English and as feral as they come.
International football tournaments are not meant to be about sitting around politely clapping in a "civilised" fashion. Of course smashing up shops is bad. But it's only on Reddit and here that you have people either talking about how some fans are "too loud"/want to win too much or about how other countries fans (the brown ones apparently) are "uncivilised" because of how.they apparently celebrate winning. Urrghh dancing in the streets over football? So unEuropean.

It's like watching aliens trying to come to grips with what football is.

It's called passion.

Dunno. Watched in a pub last night ,
mainly Spanish - Norwegian - Scottish crowd and the running commentary and running commentary was immense but good natured. Obviously we felt a bit hated but whatever.

As the game was reaching its crescendo in through the door fell a big old sack of gammon who then proceeded to order loads of lager and shout at the screens. You know the type. Readers perched on foreheads, big gammons old beer bellies and much put upon wives. Obnoxious smog boors - at least six of them.

even my 11 year old was cringing.

and that’s why everybody hates the English!

I'm basing it on my own experiences as you are. France, Greece, Spain, Italy etc. The locals "anglais?", eg, "non, ecosse" and the attitude completely changes. So that's Europe. It's even more so now as we voted remain.

But. America, Canada, NZ, Australia etc. All have Scottish and Irish communities. Diaspora. They celebrate St Andrew's and St Patrick's day.

Yet to see one who celebrates St George's day.

I always find Spanish women particularly loud and many with a similar strident tone. Seems the ‘loudest tourists award’ doesn’t necessarily go to the English!

If you have ever been to Cheltenham after the races, you will realise how loud the Irish are.
Considering Ireland never made it into the World Cup, it’s amazing you have such a strong opinion.
Bitter? Resentful? Not much eh?

I don't think I'd be taking the piss when you think it's classy to have an 11 year old in a pub after midnight.

Um... I'm not Irish. I think you have confused me with someone else.

I would agree the Irish can be loud.

I also do not give off "simple vibes" and am not sure why you are being so rude to me for making an observation that I find English speakers tend to speak loudly.

Coming from aIndia, which one colonised once, u agree with Op. People from my country, especially, the younger generation hates English. They enjoy spreading posts about problems in the UK. Only yesterday, I saw 3 reels showing ‘filthy’ streets of London and talking about Karma.

The biggest haters of English are Indians and just because of sheer numbers, they are everywhere on internet. But British love Indians more than Europeans.