Why does everyone hate us so much ?!

[englandd]

I’m talking about being English, spent alot of time on the cesspit that is Reddit this World Cup and the vast majority absolutely hate England, I known it stems from the British empire but as far as I’m aware it wasn’t just England who were bad back then was it ? I mean Spain and Portugal took a big part in colonialism too but why is it just the English that gets the hate ?
Last night I would’ve been genuinely happy to support Norway if they went through, I can’t imagine hating another nation so badly. Maybe I shouldn’t take it personally 😆

Aibu ? Do we deserve the hate we get from something that happened hundreds of years ago ? For what it’s worth the British empire were ruthless and I don’t celebrate anything they did, but I also don’t think we should be punished still for something that happened so so long ago.

Not even when they SPEAKY da foreign language LOUDLY so the foreigners can UNDERSTAND?

I think all the weeks were different ?
I live in Bolton and people still talk of Bolton holidays and neighbouring towns had difffrent two weeks ?

The fact is, Europe is a number of different countries with different cultural norms. And there is variation within those countries (eg Paris and Marseilles). It's usually an American thing to say "in Europe they..." On the whole, the Italians would say the English are reserved and too quite and the Finn's would consider us loud. We are much quieter (on average) than Americans so there's no particular effect being "Anglo-Saxon" (wat) has on speech volume.

I don’t hate anyone.
i have contempt for people who hate the English, when they have no reason, other than what they make up in their head.
I am giving examples of Scottish behaviour, following comments from others.

German here who has lived in the UK and left post-referendum. Some posts on this thread are an illustration of why England fans might rub ppl the wrong way. 'We're awesome and go our own way', really? And the way the question is put, 'why do people hate us as a nation'?

They don't. There is a stereotypical kind of English tourist (not all of them) who gets laughed at abroad, but most of the time, outside of international football competition season, ppl don't think about 'the English' positively or negatively.

When it comes to football competitions, though, there is a tradition of loutish behaviour by England fans (some, not all, but people don't make fine distinctions in that situation) and the arrogance of talk of the trophy 'coming home' when most England teams over the 30 years that I've been observing have been mediocre.
Dislike of the English team is a response to that much more than any memories of colonialism or national resentment. 'We the English' to most people is anyway a fairly meaningless phrase, just like 'we the Germans' or 'we the Argentinians' doesn't refer to any specific community in any real sense. I'd imagine that many ppl shit-talking about world cup teams on reddit actually know this and just, well, shit-talk (though some Americans really believe they're the best. Bless them...)

YANBU. Seems like most countries want anyone but England to win. It's also fine to hate and mock "British" people (they mean English though.) We are pretty much the only ones that it's acceptable. Maybe white Americans too, but it depends if they fit into one of the protected boxes ("queer" being the main one)

What other countries would it be OK to collectively mock their food, apparence etc. Do that with any other country and it's xenophobia. I've seen this happen online in various spaces. Fine to hate England and mock us, but say the same thing about a different country and it's punished.

Yes one of them being xenophobia.

I covered that in my post. I always thought football and golf were particularly Scottish sports.

"Scotland: Some football historians argue that Scotland played a significant role in developing the modern passing and running game, with the Scottish Football Association founded shortly after the FA in 1873. 1]"

Self hating white English people - really it is quite pitiful. I can only imagine the low levels of self esteem.

The Paris/Marseille distinction is true.

And yes, Americans can be even louder than we are BUT there is cultural variation in America in the same way. And I guess Britain too, though truthfully, sometimes the more toff, the louder the voice.

The French are quiet?
When things don’t go their way, they riot and set fire to their cities. Not sure that is quiet.
But I like the French, for their individuality and determination to get their own way.
When we holidayed a few years ago in the Dordogne, we were guests of honour at the village fete. The liberation from the Germans was etched in their souls.
When we went to a local museum, the guide thought I was German - when she realised I was English, she was beside herself.
The Germans had murdered all the men in their small village and she said they would never forgive them.

Yep

Thats fascinating, apparently "Leading historians argue that after the 1707 Act of Union, Scots were active agents and disproportionately benefited from the British Empire, playing brutal roles in colonial expansion, indigenous displacement, and the transatlantic slave trade" too.

This is true to a degree, but sometimes I think we self-hate for the wrong reasons. We make it complicated and try to cast aside deeper aspects of our identity, when some of it is far more superficial and easily rectified.

I don't think any of that is true. For the neutral, England are the underdogs out of the four, who have all won the world cup recently. Really quite dull if Spain, France or Argentina win! I mean one of them probably will, but England winning would be the only moderately surprising result.

You really dont get the meaning of the lyrics of the song do you

I think you are sometimes pushed to feel that way. Some years ago I was at an event with Irish, Cornish and Scottish friends (all of whom live in England) who all delighted in ganging up on and telling me how much they hate the English, how awful we are and how proud they were to be who they were. I have never colonised any of them, happy for all of them to have their independence if they so wish, and want nothing from them. I don’t understand why wanting English people to be ashamed is a thing, we are not allowed to have pride. Now I am not particularly proud of being English, where you are born is a lottery, you haven’t worked for it so quite frankly who cares, but I’m not going to be forced to be ashamed either. It’s literally where I was born, it’s not who I am

This!!!

FIFA really seem to want Argentina to win. I'm more concerned about the football authorities being biased or the leaders of certain countries being allowed to intervene in referee decisions than who regular people support/don't support.

No, they only do that to you. You must be giving off simple vibes.

Have lived abroad for many years, travelled the world and lived in different countries. We have an awful reputation for the drinking thing, other countries just don’t have awful city centres with bladdered people and fighting. They also think our food is terrible 😂 and sometimes think we’re not as friendly/stuck up (don’t get this AT ALL) and of course the language thing, although they grow up watching tv with English speaking and English music, so they often learn more easily.
I would say majority quite like us and like us more now that they see different immigration into their countries. Where I am they ADORE the Irish, followed by the Scots, then English 🤣even though the Irish & Scottish often don’t learn the language either and like a drink (all generalisations of course) which seems a little unfair.
When I return to the uk, I am bowled over by the warmness, politeness and humour/wit. We are truly a great nation-intelligent, forward thinking, humorous, resilient, polite and helpful
Currently trying to come back as I miss the people so much!
We were a great nation and need to continue that way (just please cut down the excessive drinking and inability to handle it, in comparison to other cultures)

If you go down a Reddit rabbit hole, of course you will read all kinds of nonsense. But 99% of people don't care about any of this. It's a football match, If you win, it's fun. Woooo! If not, well at least you got as far as you did and you can be proud of that.

England have done well to get where they are. Yes, some people take football very seriously in England, but no more than they do in France, Spain and Argentina. Anyway, only one team can win. Probably it will be France. I dint think anyone in England actually expects to go all the way. Probably they will get knocked out in penalties or something- as is the usual case. Then we can all stop going on about it. It's just a ball flying round a field. Not a war.

More importantly than whether they get in the final or not, I think the England players are great role models for young people.

The only bad sportsmanship I have seen in recent weeks, was when Mexicans were crowding outside the hotel where visiting teams stayed, letting off fireworks and thinking horns to keep them awake all night. Can you imagine if that happened in UK (or anywhere else, to be fair)?

Anyway, get off Reddit is what I came to say because it just attracts people with axes to grind and strange preoccupations.

Vindaloo is even more self-deprecating.

We're going to score one more than you! LOL.

Ok, I can talk from a point of someone who has lived in this country for a looong time, raising my family here, clearly I like England and appreciate the culture - otherwise I would not choose to live here (and I can choose).
But yes, many from where I am originally from (continental Europe) are not exactly huge fans. Not that much because of colonialism - we were not affected by it - it's more about general attitude of superiority without much to.show for tbh .
I hate to call out anything - considering it's generalization - but for example...house quality in GB is abysmal, people live with mold and damp and rotten bulging floors as if it's normal, streets are so dirty (for most Europe it's a standard to power wash everywhere at least weekly, city centres daily), hygiene standards are also often mentioned as well...The thing is all that is perfectly fine if people are comfortable with it - but just being delusional about superiority abd being completely unaware that in most European countries you'd only see this in extremely deprived areas (probably not even there).
On the topic of tourism - the British tourists often behave with a complete disregard of the fact that actual people live their lives at these places they are visiting and that you can't just vomit in front of people's doors and have a shouting competition while being absolutely wasted the whole night - would you do that in the street you live in? I doubt that, at least I haven't witnessed this where I live in London.
So yeah...I think it's general disrespect for other places cultures people - while at the same time feeling superior about being respectful and proper gentleman/ladies...