Why does everyone hate us so much ?!

[englandd]

I’m talking about being English, spent alot of time on the cesspit that is Reddit this World Cup and the vast majority absolutely hate England, I known it stems from the British empire but as far as I’m aware it wasn’t just England who were bad back then was it ? I mean Spain and Portugal took a big part in colonialism too but why is it just the English that gets the hate ?
Last night I would’ve been genuinely happy to support Norway if they went through, I can’t imagine hating another nation so badly. Maybe I shouldn’t take it personally 😆

Aibu ? Do we deserve the hate we get from something that happened hundreds of years ago ? For what it’s worth the British empire were ruthless and I don’t celebrate anything they did, but I also don’t think we should be punished still for something that happened so so long ago.

I think this is a great post. Very considered and relevantly informed.

Well I don’t like the Russians. When do you think
I can expect my “racism charges”?

Spain and Portugal receded to the regular country status and aren’t gallivanting around the world lecturing everyone about democracy and human rights and how to run their countries for the last 70 years.
Britain along with US has oversized meddling role in much more recent times.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria
Britain is directly responsible for Iranian issues, in Palestine and India/Pakistan Etc etc

Lmfao - Eastern Europeans are the loudest.

Are you a sockpuppet for @ClimbEveryLadder or just a wannabe?

If you think that's a reason to hate English people you are a fucking ignorant bigot.

Are they? In fairness I've not spent a lot of time in Eastern Europe.

In Western Europe, I tend to notice British voices crowing above the din a lot. Ditto American.

Mine was that until this morning, I saw a lot of comments about England being cheats and such, people saying we don’t deserve it and that people will root for anyone but us. I have no idea why it suddenly changed.

Also, the current England squad in particular are largely unproblematic (obviously they could all secret be evil behind the scenes). On the surface they are positive, largely play fairly, friends off pitch with players from other countries, multiracial (I hate to make race an issue but it matters here) and quite a good symbol of (I cringe writing this) positive masculinity. And while there are, unfortunately racist twats among England supporters, the vast majority of fans are behind Bellingham etc and we aren't seeing the same scenes we saw.from Argentinian fans or Paraguayan politicians

All of which makes them particularly hateful to a certain type of American (not all Americans by any means). Because they show a positive snapshot of the "modern England" they like to decry. We are supposed to be degraded and fallen due to the white race being swamped by inferior immigrants and not having guns. Not have English footballers saving the day with amazing goals and having positive funny friendships off pitch with vikings. This definitely is NOT all Americans or everyone on Reddit especially. But I think it's part of the tide of negativity being pushed about England/Britain by the far right.

That's probably linguistic as much as anything.

Having recently been in a very multi-national place on holiday, I can assure you we are no louder than anyone else.

I lived in Spain for some time. I was extremely shocked by the open and casual racism there.

Italians and French probably score higher on the vocal decibel front, I suppose.

But it's not catchier to the other three nations because people generally love us and you using "Brit Bashing" groups us in with you lot. Just say "English" bashing.

You are basically eroding the fact we exist! It is ENGLISH bashing. Own it.

Make us 😇

This
Dh is Spanish and I am English
I rather Spain win than England for a number of reasons

1. Most people think Great Britain/United Kingdom is a politer way of saying 'England' without hurting the feelings of the Scots or Welsh ;-)
2. As others have pointed out, the legacy of our rapacious colonialism (as against the Spanish, for eg) is still very much alive with continuing consequences for the colonised nations and their diaspora. In Ireland, many would say it's ongoing.
3. The legendary thuggery of English fans seems to many to be rooted in the same worldview as our colonialism - here we come, the invaders, and fuck you all. So it all seems like a continuum.
4. Because English is the global lingua franca, many are under the very mistaken impression that the UK generally is a powerful successful nation and they prefer the underdog.

I’ve literally never heard anyone say the English are known for being loud

How do you think colonisation was 100s of years ago?!

India/Pakistan, Ireland, Caribbean, Sub Saharan African countries, ongoing meddling in the Middle East? All 20th century wrongs.

Do you understand that colonisation fucking trashed those nations' economies, ability to develop governance mechanisms that worked for them?

I'm irish living in London and wish england well in the World Cup but wilful ignorance of the past is one of the reasons English people are often badly thought of.

But those events happened,
Why am I not allowed to stick up for my country, when the Scots are being so anti English?
Watch Wimbledon and please point out the hooligans.
Because I know a few there, who were also at the football. They will be gorgeously dressed, good looking and very well groomed.

It was called factory fortnight, northern towns had it too eg. In Yorkshire and Lancashire.
The factories shut down for 2 weeks.
Can't remember the actual weeks now.

No way do the French. Have you ever dined in an expensive French restaurant? It's like a church, then in comes Eleanor booming: "JOOOOOOOOhNNNNYY!!!! It's so LOOOOOOVELY to see you!! LOOOOONG time no see! SUUUUUUCH a long time!!" (I am drawing on a specific incident here.) And we do tend to get rowdier on holiday.

The French are quite low decibel.

Ireland is doing really well for itself buoyed by its single purpose as a european tax haven, and the only reason it does so is because you speak English.
You're welcome!

Some of it is Americans in particular getting into football for the first time (which is nice for them) and getting very enthusiastically invested in wanting particular teams to win, and also wanting "narrative consistency". So Norway were very popular because of their "row" thing and because Haaland is popular and hilarious. So they got very into the idea of Norway making it to the final and sad when they didn't. Ironically, Norwegian football fans who were probably much more invested in Norway winning are more graceful losers. Likewise Americans got really into the idea of being Scotland fans because they were fun in Boston, so are trying to buy into the ABE ethos without realising it's often slightly tongue on cheek and overstated.

It's just naturally enthusiastic people getting into a thing for the first time. They'll move on pretty quickly.

Why do you hate Scottish people so much?

This was utterly amazing and about so much more than football.