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Is this racism?

434 replies

cooooola · 07/07/2026 13:13

Basically I was at the pub in the pub and nobody was behind the bar.

I was first in line.

An elderly couple come and and then another man who slams his glass down.

When the bar lady asks "who is first"? I replied me.

The elderly couple say "we have been waiting ages".

And the man next says "I didn't see her".

I felt this was due to me being mixed race.
I felt quite intimidated.

I only popped in for a drink whilst OH has the kids.

I feel any shaken up as the only ethnic person in the place.
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Frazzled89 · Yesterday 15:13

He may have been a racist, ageist, sexist or just a downright nasty person, the latter is probably true, there are so many ignorant folks about. I'm a quiet person and hate ordering at the bar because I will often get people pushing in! We can't read the man's thoughts at the time so nobody can conclude his behaviour stemmed from racism, but he was definitely rude.

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 15:17

italianlondongirl · Yesterday 15:11

@MissBeans83

Even if it happened as she said the likelihood is that there were no racist motives!

Your attack on me should be reported by the way. But I suspect you are merely an agitator with no real comprehension skills.

And you are angry that your racism is being challenged.

italianlondongirl · Yesterday 15:26

How am I racist now????

You hate anyone countering with rational explanations of what happened.
Older couple might have been waiting longer but OP didn’t see them, or they might have been entitled chancers who were local to that wetherspoons and thought they should be served first.
Poor bloke who slammed down his glass just having a bad day
Just because these two things happened and OP is mixed race doesn’t make it racist

Just because I point out other valid reasons for the behaviour of these Wetherspoons folk doesn’t make me racist

But I agree it’s a good way to shut down an argument

Dideon · Yesterday 15:32

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 14:59

How weird. A racist incident happens and you are so far in denial, you accuse her of lying.

Does she have to have the N word used against her for you to authorise her complaint?

You are beyond arrogant. 🙄

Blame the victim too for being raped do you? As the two mentalities are usually cut from the one cloth

This answer depresses me . I really hope you are not in any position of power now or in the future.

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 15:34

italianlondongirl · Yesterday 15:26

How am I racist now????

You hate anyone countering with rational explanations of what happened.
Older couple might have been waiting longer but OP didn’t see them, or they might have been entitled chancers who were local to that wetherspoons and thought they should be served first.
Poor bloke who slammed down his glass just having a bad day
Just because these two things happened and OP is mixed race doesn’t make it racist

Just because I point out other valid reasons for the behaviour of these Wetherspoons folk doesn’t make me racist

But I agree it’s a good way to shut down an argument

Poor bloke slamming down his glass after a bad day? Thanks for teleporting me back to 1950s menfolk, where women have to put up with that.

You are racist because you discounted her experience and told her in clear terms she is lying, and that is regardless of the fact that it may or may not have been a racist incident.

Yet perhaps, the penny will drop that a person who invalidates somebody who falls prey to racism and calls them a liar, is racist themselves.

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 15:35

Dideon · Yesterday 15:32

This answer depresses me . I really hope you are not in any position of power now or in the future.

One of those are you that skips through threads? And doesn't quite understand flow of context?

Oh ok.

TryNotToLaugh · Yesterday 15:39

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 15:34

Poor bloke slamming down his glass after a bad day? Thanks for teleporting me back to 1950s menfolk, where women have to put up with that.

You are racist because you discounted her experience and told her in clear terms she is lying, and that is regardless of the fact that it may or may not have been a racist incident.

Yet perhaps, the penny will drop that a person who invalidates somebody who falls prey to racism and calls them a liar, is racist themselves.

Are you saying that people of colour never, ever exaggerate, misinterpret, misconstrue or lie about a situation when they claim racism?

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 15:44

TryNotToLaugh · Yesterday 15:39

Are you saying that people of colour never, ever exaggerate, misinterpret, misconstrue or lie about a situation when they claim racism?

More racist bile. We shall park that one up with your "white people will become the minority"

What's next?😁

TryNotToLaugh · Yesterday 16:09

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 15:44

More racist bile. We shall park that one up with your "white people will become the minority"

What's next?😁

You can’t answer my question, can you?

Because if you say yes, I will give you examples where this has happened.

If you say no, that will contradict your mantra that we must never “invalidate” a person of colour when they say they have experienced a racist incident.

So you resort to name-calling and insults instead.

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 16:25

TryNotToLaugh · Yesterday 16:09

You can’t answer my question, can you?

Because if you say yes, I will give you examples where this has happened.

If you say no, that will contradict your mantra that we must never “invalidate” a person of colour when they say they have experienced a racist incident.

So you resort to name-calling and insults instead.

I don't need to answer you to validate any confusion you may have.

You demonstrated who you are and your fact-aversion statements such as white people becoming the minority, only served to make you out to lack critical thinking skills.

user1492809438 · Yesterday 16:29

I can't comment on the racism as it is really how you feel. However from my perspective [lone white female going to the bar] it seems more like entitled ageism or misogyny.

TryNotToLaugh · Yesterday 16:33

@MissBeans83 soyou’re now denying that white people are becoming the minority in the UK and telling us that it’s racist to ever disagree with a poc claiming a racist incident, but declining to clarify whether you believe poc ever exaggerate, misconstrue, misinterpret or lie about racism.

It’s not terribly convincing.

TryNotToLaugh · Yesterday 16:39

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 16:25

I don't need to answer you to validate any confusion you may have.

You demonstrated who you are and your fact-aversion statements such as white people becoming the minority, only served to make you out to lack critical thinking skills.

I don’t need to answer you to validate any confusion you may have

I’m not confused. I’m pointing out the logical failings of your position.

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 16:47

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Dideon · Yesterday 16:50

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 15:35

One of those are you that skips through threads? And doesn't quite understand flow of context?

Oh ok.

Believe me you are the one who is presenting as someone who is lacking intelligence. Your condescending stance is a distraction from your inability to comprehend the nuances that should inform any discussion around racism.

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 16:52

Dideon · Yesterday 16:50

Believe me you are the one who is presenting as someone who is lacking intelligence. Your condescending stance is a distraction from your inability to comprehend the nuances that should inform any discussion around racism.

Big words there.

TryNotToLaugh · Yesterday 16:55

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Ah okay, you’ve sunk to the point of denying there’s such a thing as “the future” and that that’s what we’re discussing.

There’s really no point trying to talk to someone who thinks these sorts of tactics are anything but silly.

Screamingabdabz · Yesterday 17:00

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 15:01

Yet here you are denying her lived experience. You have simply just slightly soft soaped it.

Her lived experience doesn’t mean she’s always right or that she can’t misinterpret the intentions of others.

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 17:01

TryNotToLaugh · Yesterday 16:55

Ah okay, you’ve sunk to the point of denying there’s such a thing as “the future” and that that’s what we’re discussing.

There’s really no point trying to talk to someone who thinks these sorts of tactics are anything but silly.

The future? No that isn't what you said. You never said the future. Amusing watching you try to claw your way out of it when statistics are presented to you and you can't argue

Tip for you: Google comes in handy first in advance of racist, self proclaimed "facts".

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Yesterday 17:06

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 14:06

That is a broad answer. Racism comes in various different forms, and there are infinite amount of examples.

One being on here, the invalidation of a non white person who wrote about her experience. That is actual racism in itself.

Racists tend to push back and refute, because facing reality is something that they lack emotional resiliance in.

So for us to answer OPs query about whether we thought an action was racist or not is in itself racist?

Even though OP asked the question? Was she inducing us to be racist (by your example) in that case?

Racists tend to push back and refute, because facing reality is something that they lack emotional resiliance in.

*resilience

So the very act of asserting that one is not a racist is actually racist? Was Matthew Hopkins an ancestor of yours by any chance?

Your ‘definition’ needs work by the way. Can I suggest that before you smear PPs, myself and the rest of the country as ‘racist’ you achieve some greater clarity on what you mean?

Here’s the OED version to help you. Can you specify how I, PPs and the rest of the country fit that?

The Oxford English Dictionary defines racism as prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. It encompasses the belief that members of different races possess specific characteristics, abilities, or qualities that distinguish them as either inferior or superior to one another.

TheGreatDownandOut · Yesterday 17:11

@MissBeans83 are you able to at least make an attempt to defend your position without being so nasty and spiteful? Everything you have posted on this thread has made me cringe. I am trying so hard to understand your position and where you are coming from but every time you talk about dumbing down or accuse other posters of being stupid for not agreeing with you, you lose credibility.

I mean, maybe you don’t mind that. Perhaps you are trying to be inflammatory. But I cannot reconcile the version of you that proclaims to understand all about DEI (one of the basic tenets of which is to treat all people respectfully) with the version of you that is being so nasty and disrespectful to everyone else.

GrinchPink · Yesterday 17:11

Old people wanted skip the queue. That’s it. Nothing to see here just move on and accept people skip queues. Not everything is racially motivated

Lndnmummy · Yesterday 17:12

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Yesterday 13:52

May I remind you that you have accused the whole of the UK population of being racist.

What is your definition of racism? And how does OPs experience fit that?

🙄

Lndnmummy · Yesterday 17:12

GrinchPink · Yesterday 17:11

Old people wanted skip the queue. That’s it. Nothing to see here just move on and accept people skip queues. Not everything is racially motivated

I take it you are white?

Lndnmummy · Yesterday 17:13

TheGreatDownandOut · Yesterday 17:11

@MissBeans83 are you able to at least make an attempt to defend your position without being so nasty and spiteful? Everything you have posted on this thread has made me cringe. I am trying so hard to understand your position and where you are coming from but every time you talk about dumbing down or accuse other posters of being stupid for not agreeing with you, you lose credibility.

I mean, maybe you don’t mind that. Perhaps you are trying to be inflammatory. But I cannot reconcile the version of you that proclaims to understand all about DEI (one of the basic tenets of which is to treat all people respectfully) with the version of you that is being so nasty and disrespectful to everyone else.

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Yawn. Here we go. Who cares about what you can 'reconcile'. That sounds like a you problem.

The OP had an experience that made her feel intimidated. Now a long line of (white) people are telling her that what she is experiencing, isn't in fact what she is experiencing. The audacity.

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