AIBU to think King Charles comes across as a really crap dad?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77yykl87yno

I mean really, this is just pathetic. No one is believing that KC couldn’t find a spare bed for his son. AIBU to think that as the parent KC needs to get a grip and grow up instead of just fuelling the drama?

No, BP security is not "rubbish". It seems to be good enough for Obama, Macron et al..BP have to put things in place for Harry and all the people coming with him. He doesn't travel alone. Would they cut corners, knowing what a petulant whiner he is?
He said he wasn't coming. They're supposed to change all the working hours and shift patterns of cleaners, cooks, valets which Harry would require? On his whim?
I know he's entitled and it doesn't surprise me, but it's not last minute.com. It's Buckingham Palace.

It's not just a 'room' though. BP is not currently occupied and is undergoing extensive renovation. So staff would have had to be rostered to set up the rooms and of course provide the security Harry considers so essential.

A bit more than folding out the sofa bed and putting out a set of clean towels.

Yes. People don't get it. Plus - the security operation alone takes time.

Who knows. But if I was King C I would put up with a last minute request but not with a statement slagging off a High Court Judge being delivered from my doorstep.

But maybe I am being too harsh on Harry!

But a 'last minute' request at BP is simply not doable, for the reasons explained multiple times on this thread.

And why 'last minute' anyway? Harry had this trip scheduled months ago and knew the conditions of the BP offer. Why was he messing around like this? He's a 41 year old man with two children of his own. Why can't he take responsibility for his own travel arrangements?

KC doesn't treat the domestic staff badly. They are not rostered on the whim of an over privileged Prince. Imagine if Harry thought the rooms hadn't been security swept?
He'd certainly go to town with his pal Chris Ship or mates at People magazine.

Do you imagine that King Charles is the one making up the beds and cooking all of the meals for Harry and Company?

Do people really think it's Charles who personally arranges all the staffing, security, organisation etc? Buckingham palace is a complex organisation. I think it's actually irrelevant what Charles wanted. Harry said no and staffing and security was organised accordingly. It shows how little Harry values the roles of these workers if they think they can all just be summoned on his whim.

And I also don't believe for a second Harry would have done his speech in front of Buckingham palace. He'd have had to have permission to do this and I'm assuming staff working at Buckingham palace aren't stupid and would have never allowed it in the first place.

The only person who's come out of this looking bad is Harry himself by appearing nothing short of a chaotic mess.

Clearly Charles would be making one phone call to his Valet / Assistant whoever.

But Charles is not stupid he knows not to mess his staff around. He gave a deadline to Harry so staff could be told if they were required or not. Staff were told they weren't required.
Charles didn't want to go back to the staff and say "actually yes you are required"

Remember H was also messing around, maybe I bring the kids, actually maybe not.

Let me know if you still need me to try and find the link @Lomonald

thank you @jeffgoldblum for posting.

i agree with posters they definitely seem more than just good friends, even more reprehensible if that’s the case, then not kind, that Harry threw her, under the bus like that, in the witness box.

No, not even “Clearly Charles would be making one phone call to his Valet / Assistant whoever.”

@Newname26

I do not believe Harry has a way to directly contact his father.

@hydriotaphia

I find it quite strange, I don't believe that the royals' security is so rubbish that they can't be agile if plans change at the last minute

But how often would the royals' plans change at the last minute?
It's very unlikely that they would.
And I'm sure their security could be "agile" in case, for example, of sudden illness and a royal needing to be taken to hospital, but this was just Harry changing his mind after a deadline he knew existed.
The "security" that is glibly talked about is provided by real people, with families and lives of their own. Why should they have to suddenly disrupt their own plans, childcare, appointments - things we all have to think about - due to Harry's whim?

Quite - unless there's a national emergency or disaster, everything is planned a long way ahead almost to the second.

At the moment on Celebitchy the Sussex Squad are all absolutely sure that all the RF's recent engagements have been done to 1) appear busy while Harry's in the UK and b) to distract attention from his visit. As if.

These people are daft as brushes. They have no clue about how big organisations, especially the RF, have to work.

Also - that's one of the reasons why it was problematic when the preacher overran by 8 minutes at H & M's wedding. In security terms that's a long time! Everything is supposed to go like clockwork.

It's so classist. Harry has no concern for domestic staff or security staff. He probably doesn't realise how many people work to make things happen for him.

Very good point. Apparently the monarch arrives for the Trooping at Horse Guards Parade at the first stroke of 11am.

I think the point is, there'll be a certain amount of agility and flexibility built into the security systems, because while it's not possible to know exactly when it'll be needed, it is known that it'll be necessary sometimes. And people sign up to that.

So for example if you're in a palace protection role, you'll know well in advance that when a sitting monarch dies, certain role holders have to cancel all holidays and root canals, miss their kids concerts and the like for a couple of weeks. The same would apply if a less foreseeable event happens, like one of them gets held hostage or something. Bye bye to your fortnight in Spain, even if you were due at the airport tomorrow morning.

What that doesn't mean is that the capacity is available to spunk on things that aren't an emergency. A good security officer might think yep, I'm ok with a couple of all hands on deck, never mind your personal life type events every decade. Especially if they're obviously unavoidable. But if people are being expected to make those accommodations more routinely, particularly for something that clearly isn't an emergency, that's when there's a risk they burn out or get pissed off and leave. And why wouldn't there be more such requests, if this one was facilitated? It's just not a good idea.

Thing is even if this was "real life". It'd be the height of rudeness to keep someone waiting on whether you'd accept an invitation or not and then decline the invitation from the host and then change your mind and expect your host who you'd initially declined to suddenly alter their plans and then kick up a massive fuss when they refused to do so.

Only Harry's done this on a much bigger scale!

Haven't read the whole thread, but people need to remember it's not just Harry that needs accommodating. Even without Meghan and the children he travels with various staff - PA, his own security etc, add in Meghan and children and there would be a whole entourage of nannies, more PA's, I assume she has someone sorting clothes etc. All these people need rooms, catering and their whims being attended to. Much of Buckingham palace is basically a building site at present so there are safety concerns regarding where all the "guests" would be allowed to wander, plus I'm sure there would be significant areas that would be out of bounds - no photos of the children in the state rooms for instance, so they would need to be kept watch on for BP security reasons aside of security for themselves. It's not at all something that can just be rustled up at the last minute.

They'd also need to beef up the security of the tiara vault wherever it is 😉

Sorry thank you I read it earlier, he sounds like a total.creep "trust pills" jeez!

Doesn’t he just!!!

he sounds like a total.creep "trust pills" jeez!

That was really weird.

Plus: what about the daughter - she may wonder why she's called Princess Lilibet Diana. An exceptionally distinctive name, yet the RF are so toxic and damaging 🤔?

I was surprised that they didn't have Diana as a first name tbh.

Totally agree. The could change plans if they really needed too.
But why piss your staff off if you don't really need too.
You need to keep their goodwill for the day you really need to change plans