AIBU to think King Charles comes across as a really crap dad?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77yykl87yno

I mean really, this is just pathetic. No one is believing that KC couldn’t find a spare bed for his son. AIBU to think that as the parent KC needs to get a grip and grow up instead of just fuelling the drama?

I know it’s not the point, but I really don’t think that Charles and Diana hated each other.

If your grandchildren’s parents won’t allow you to see them, how would that work?

Or how about Harry just brings his security with him from LA like any other celebrity. Presumably he pays for it there - and probably pays them an annual salary - or does he really think they are more vulnerable here than in gun toting US ?

Indeed! Or Nigeria or Colombia?
Why should KC pay for anything after what Harry has said and done? I think he's shown remarkable forbearance.
No, Harry thinks that the taxpayers should pay, even though he hasn't lived here for 6 years.

I'm not quite sure I buy the logic that King Charles is so important that he can somehow control the free press yet so unimportant that he can just bypass complex security arrangements, staffing arrangements and ignore obligations and diary commitments not to mention his cancer treatment as head of state that he can just hop on a plane at "any time".

Harry was the one who moved to California and has made a career and living out of trashing his family. Plenty of his claims have been found to be not true. Why is the onus on his family to be making the effort and schlepping all the way to California when Harry has made quite clear his disdain for them.

And people seem to have some blinkered view of Diana. She was absolutely no saint and used the press to her own advantage when it suited her.

He does, they are here with him now, they were with him yesterday at the Invictus event, they are not allowed to carry arms, same as every other celebrity bodyguard.

Excellent points.
Plus Diana regularly briefed the Daily Mail in particular.

Im not quite sure as well why people are saying Charles should be paying for Harrys security. Harry travels with his own that he pays for and to be fair to him, he's made that quite clear.

The type of security that Harry wants in the UK is based on decisions made by the Home Office and people are quite misinformed if they think that a constitutional monarch can somehow buy police officers or meddle in security decisions. How would it work anyway? Do people think KC will be phoning up Scotland Yard, credit card in hand asking to order armed guards for hire?

You miss one important detail. H&M don't want the visit to be private. They need it to be public, because their whole image depends on the royal connection. One that they have now absolutely burned to the ground.

Do you think for one second a reigning monarch can just hop on a jet to their house and hang out with the grandkids. MM will have the paps there in a heartbeat, Oprah in the back garden live streaming the whole thing, serving him jam and toast and taking pics for Instagram.

Charles has every right to choose not to have his image and his time used for promo so that the two of them can make some money. Especially after the shitstorm they brough to the Queens door when her husband was dying and she herself was in her final years.

They want public and Charles wants private. After the things they said in interviews and books about all of the senior royals, Charles does not owe them a thing.

The Royal Family are doing perfectly fine without H&M, H&M aren't doing perfectly fine without The Royal Family. This is a case of be careful who you kick on the way up because they will be there to meet you on the way down.

Me neither. It was an unhappy marriage and people aren't their best selves when they're miserable. Once they were out of it, I don't recall any behaviour from either of them that suggested ongoing resentfulness.

Towards the end, Diana said they had become quite companionable. I think things could have settled down were it not for Bashir and the Fayeds.

It am not a big royalist nor am I a republican. But the thing I find hardest to grasp is the horrible way they treat their own family on the altar of “The Firm”. If it was me I would be trying to repair the relationship with my son, who even if I can’t see his point of view at all, I am still their only parent and they have had a pretty traumatic childhood.
The total coldness with how he treats Harry - whatever Harry has done or hasn’t done- I find so chilling.

I think it’s more than that. I think it’s a very hurt child wanting his dad to publicly aknowledge them. It’s no different from someone being upset because their dad posts all over Facebook about one child and how great they are - and the other child is silently ignored. This is blown up on the world stage but it’s fundementally a sad, family breakdown.

You have no idea how KC treats Harry, because he doesn't publicise it. You have no idea what he's tried to do over the last 6 years.
Harry is the one who has invaded privacy and told damaging, hurtful and malicious stories about his family. For money. He's the one monetising bitterness and bile.
It would be a very strong and kind father to overlook all of that, and go out of his way to do anything.

If your adult son accused you of being racist, tormented your aging and elderly parents while one of them was dying, wrote books about how he didn't want you to marry the woman you have been with for over two decades, called leaving your home a 'freedom flight' and called a man who he barely knew 'the father he never had' would you welcome him back with open arms?

King or not, Charles is human. We talk on these boards all the time about how its okay to set boundaries and go NC with family who are toxic. How is a Harry any different? Because his hopes and dreams of superstardom didn't work out and now he wants back in to the life of massive privilege and luxury. It makes me sad that Charles is expected to ignore how much Harry hurt the family just because Harry has decided now its time that they let him back in.

I am still cracking up where Mumsnet where people are famed for being too terrified to open their front door past 7pm and who have a pathological fear of school mums and hen dos is somehow some sort of breeding ground for trained assassins with the know how and skills to purchase, operate and use lethal weapons never mind carry out an assisanation attempt on an ex member of the RF.

I suspect people in the RAVEC offices are also aware of this and if anything this thread would probably have them all pissing with laughter at the thought it would be taken seriously.

That hurt 40 year old told the world he didn't want anything to do with them. Just because he has now changed his mind because the money is drying up doesn't mean Charles has any obligation to do that.

Every single human being has the right to say they don't want anything to do with someone who hurt them. Charles also has that right.

Harry has a knack for making people feel sorry for him. Like hes a lost little boy walking behind the coffin. That was 30 years ago, hes now a grown man with two children who made millions talking shit about his family.

Are you saying @Batcats, that you’re not an undercover ninja like me????

I imagine mental health treatment is far easier to access when you have deep pockets to access the best treatment in the world and can by pass wait times. I also imagine it's far easier to deal with mental health when you dont have the additional worries of finances, feeding your family, paying for bills, childcare issues etc hanging over your head.

And let's not forget that Harry's brother William also lost his mum at a young age, was packed off to boarding school young and had two parents who hated each other. Yet it seems absolutely ok for Harry to write books, documentaries and interviews making criticism and damaging claims about William. In fact if anything i feel worse for William, who went through the same as Harry and then had the added trauma of his brother openly berating him in public.

Yes what happened to Harry was tragic but there are millions of others around the world who also suffer trauma who don't have the wealth and access he has to treatment. Harry isn't a young boy any more, he's a 41 year old man. Having childhood trauma doesn't stop you being a human and being immune to criticism and accepting consequences from your actions.

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I thought I recognised you!! 🤣

Such good points about Harry, @Batcats.
So many people deal have to deal with trauma, and wait months on NHS lists for available treatment. In the meantime they have to go to work, look after the children, go to the supermarket, pay the bills, worry about the mortgage or rent, etc.
William underwent therapy and he engaged with it - that takes work and determination because there is no instant cure. I'm impressed with his work on MH issues, those podcasts with footballers, talking to that woman whose husband took his own life. It's got to be hard, but I suspect he wants to be well for his wife and children.
It shows.

I agree.

Harry and his wife slagged his family off on the world stage. His family have every right, to be wary of letting Harry back into their lives, to avoid being hurt further.

No they can’t just get it ready for if he decides to pop by!
As if the staff should just be there in case he decides to stay and they’d also need time to have his entourage vetted. You can’t possibly believe anyone can just rock up at Buckingham Palace for a sleep over FFS 🤣