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AIBU to ask my friend to leave after criticising my diet?

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Dogingarden · Yesterday 22:13

I have a friend staying with me at the moment because it's just been my birthday.

I have been having treatment for breast cancer and have had no appetite for several weeks. Today I had a craving for pizza and have eaten a large pizza and some chips. I've also eaten most of a bar of green and blacks chocolate today too, along with some other bits.

Friend isn't very impressed and has said several times I need to eat healthy food. She's very much into healthy eating and is very disciplined about what she eats.

I've explained that my consultant says to eat whatever I fancy when I fancy and not worry about what I'm eating as long as I'm getting calories. I have long nearly two stone from chemo side effects, for context.

Friend disagreed with this and said I shouldn't be eating "processed crap" because it's just going to make the cancer worse.

I'm extremely upset by her attitude and what she's said. She's gone up to bed and I'm sitting in the garden with my dog feeling awful. She's meant to be staying until wed but I'm going to ask her to leave in the morning.

Wibu?

OP posts:
Pieceofpurplesky · Today 14:35

@ScrollingLeavesyou've not read the thread have you!

Nameychangington · Today 14:42

ScrollingLeaves · Today 14:32

May I recommend listening to the Professor Thomas Head of Oncology (Cancer) at the Royal London Hospital for Integrated Medicine and others, speaking on the Radio 4 programme below?

I did post it earlier on this thread too, and it was mentioned by other pp as well.

Could Food do More on Cancer Care and Prevention*.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002xpbp?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

It is neither saying eating ‘good food’ means you won’t ever get cancer, nor saying never eat pizza and chocolate.

About the programme:

Fifteen years after her cancer diagnosis, Sheila Dillon asks what role food could play in cancer treatment, prevention and recovery - and why it is still so often overlooked.

Earlier this year, the Government published a new 10-year National Cancer Plan for England, aiming to save 320,000 lives and ensure three in four people survive at least five years after diagnosis by 2035. It’s been welcomed as an ambitious strategy, yet some say it has little to say about diet. References to food focus largely on reducing obesity - by making supermarkets to monitor and report on sales of healthy and unhealthy foods, and expanding access to weight-loss drugs. It also includes commitments to improving hospital food for children with cancer, and introducing prehabilitation programmes via the NHS App by 2028.

So where does that leave food itself - in treatment, in recovery, and in the risk of relapse?

Featuring interviews with:
Clare Doney, the clinical lead for personalised care for the Northern Cancer Alliance covering the North East and North Cumbria.

Dr Giota Mitrou, Executive Director of Research and Policy at World Cancer Research Fund International

Prof. Robert Thomas, head of oncology at the Royal London Hospital for Integrated Medicine, part of University College Hospital and consultant oncologist at Addenbrooks hospital in Cambridge.

Thanks for making my point for me.

Also, did you actually think you needed to write oncology (cancer)? In this context did you think I might not know what oncology means? Also you misspelled Addenbrooke's. Ask me how I know.

Christ on a bleeding cracker.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · Today 14:43

@ScrollingLeaves - @Dogingarden has lost 2 stone and is very underweight, and her oncologist has said that what matters right now is that she gets calories however she can. That matters more right now than whether her diet is healthy or not - if she is not getting enough calories, and carries on losing weight, this will negatively impact her recovery and may affect how much of the chemo medication she can be given.

She has said that she normally eats a very healthy diet, but at the moment, pizza and chocolate are the things she can stomach. Her choice, at this moment is not pizza and chocolate vs healthy food, it is pizza and chocolate vs nothing, no food, nada. In this scenario, any food, every less healthy food is better than no food.

Kirbert2 · Today 14:43

ScrollingLeaves · Today 14:32

May I recommend listening to the Professor Thomas Head of Oncology (Cancer) at the Royal London Hospital for Integrated Medicine and others, speaking on the Radio 4 programme below?

I did post it earlier on this thread too, and it was mentioned by other pp as well.

Could Food do More on Cancer Care and Prevention*.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002xpbp?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

It is neither saying eating ‘good food’ means you won’t ever get cancer, nor saying never eat pizza and chocolate.

About the programme:

Fifteen years after her cancer diagnosis, Sheila Dillon asks what role food could play in cancer treatment, prevention and recovery - and why it is still so often overlooked.

Earlier this year, the Government published a new 10-year National Cancer Plan for England, aiming to save 320,000 lives and ensure three in four people survive at least five years after diagnosis by 2035. It’s been welcomed as an ambitious strategy, yet some say it has little to say about diet. References to food focus largely on reducing obesity - by making supermarkets to monitor and report on sales of healthy and unhealthy foods, and expanding access to weight-loss drugs. It also includes commitments to improving hospital food for children with cancer, and introducing prehabilitation programmes via the NHS App by 2028.

So where does that leave food itself - in treatment, in recovery, and in the risk of relapse?

Featuring interviews with:
Clare Doney, the clinical lead for personalised care for the Northern Cancer Alliance covering the North East and North Cumbria.

Dr Giota Mitrou, Executive Director of Research and Policy at World Cancer Research Fund International

Prof. Robert Thomas, head of oncology at the Royal London Hospital for Integrated Medicine, part of University College Hospital and consultant oncologist at Addenbrooks hospital in Cambridge.

Is there any mention of what is meant by improving hospital food for children with cancer? I'm assuming healthier foods?

Most children just wouldn't eat it in that case.

SevenYellowHammers · Today 15:16

godmum56 · Today 11:52

the way the Op banged on I would not be being gebtle and would not trust her to prepare food that I would want. A friend that can't STFU is no friend.

Yeah. I know what you mean!

by the way, OP YA definitely NBU . She does like a bit of a zealot and wellness bore. She means well! Get her to go shopping and fill your freezer up!

godmum56 · Today 15:26

SevenYellowHammers · Today 15:16

Yeah. I know what you mean!

by the way, OP YA definitely NBU . She does like a bit of a zealot and wellness bore. She means well! Get her to go shopping and fill your freezer up!

yeah I wouldn't trust her not to come back with "healthy" frozen crap!

FashionVixen · Today 17:57

FoxyLocksie · Today 01:18

Food is not a substitute for pharmaceutical treatment, but it has an important role to play.

Do have a listen to these if you're interested.

Last week's episode. BBC Radio 4 - The Food Programme, Could Food Do More in Cancer Care and Prevention? https://share.google/H1eXnWuq6Vi9zHho3

And the earlier episode from 2013, shortly after the presenter's own diagnosis.
BBC Radio 4 The Food Programme, Food, Cancer and WellBeing
https://share.google/PXKRKLFAj1FS5QneY

Grade A trolling 😆

LuckyHazelFox · Today 18:00

@Dogingarden hope you're OK now x

Moii · Today 18:02

People are so easily offended, I'd just say tough I'm eating it and move on.

jdb9803 · Today 18:04

Goldengirl123 · Yesterday 22:22

Surely she is just being caring???

I would hate to upset her if she's that awful when she's being 'caring'

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · Today 18:13

Hi OP... no need to update but was thinking about you and hoping that today is a better day for you than yesterday.

PS. Dark Walnut whips. just saying.

FoxyLocksie · Today 18:16

FashionVixen · Today 17:57

Grade A trolling 😆

But how is it trolling?? Please explain because I need to understand.

I get why some people were offended by my first post, as someone pointed out that it was too matter-of-fact and lacked the human touch and didn't take into account a person's feelings.

But what was wrong with my suggesting the two Radio 4 discussion programmes? I thought you might find them interesting and enlightening.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · Today 18:24

I thought your response to the answers to your original post were very thoughtful and gracious, @FoxyLocksie.

Tuesdayschild50 · Today 18:26

Yeah tell her to go home the last thing you need is criticisms at a time in your life when you're feeling vulnerable.. you have evety right to eat what you feel like .. as a friend she should be putting her feet up with you and getting the pizza & chocs out xx

jdb9803 · Today 18:26

FoxyLocksie · Today 18:16

But how is it trolling?? Please explain because I need to understand.

I get why some people were offended by my first post, as someone pointed out that it was too matter-of-fact and lacked the human touch and didn't take into account a person's feelings.

But what was wrong with my suggesting the two Radio 4 discussion programmes? I thought you might find them interesting and enlightening.

Because you obviously haven't read or understood the OP - she is seriously underweight as a result of the cancer and her doctor has told her to eat whatever she can to get some calories in her. She can't stomach most food right now.
The post is about her judgey AF 'friend' who berated her for not eating clean, despite the fact she is following doctors orders.
Then you come along with your links to radio programmes to side with her judgey AF friend that she should be eating better and probably got cancer in the first place by eating a goddam pizza
Is it clear now??

ScrollingLeaves · Today 18:28

FoxyLocksie · Today 18:16

But how is it trolling?? Please explain because I need to understand.

I get why some people were offended by my first post, as someone pointed out that it was too matter-of-fact and lacked the human touch and didn't take into account a person's feelings.

But what was wrong with my suggesting the two Radio 4 discussion programmes? I thought you might find them interesting and enlightening.

I don’t know either. In fact of course it isn’t trolling.

I have also suggested that programme twice and I am a cancer survivor ( for the moment) which is why I paid special attention.

This whole thread is bizarre. It sounds as though the friend was tactless in the moment, but well meaning over all.

Jo7890123 · Today 18:30

lechatnoir · Yesterday 22:25

Not unreasonable at all, and sadly I can well believe it. When my friend was going through cancer treatment, the number of people who felt it was their place to preach about diet or alternative therapies was quite astonishing - she had terminal cancer ffs and holding off a can of Coke or some shit white bread wasn’t going to change her prognosis

Agree, when my DM was terminally ill with cancer, a relative noticed she'd lost a lot of weight (she was frail, and in her 80's), and said she'd soon be able to get in a size 10, which would be a much healthier size for her to be...said relative was about a size 8, and saw anything other than super skinny as a character flaw.😠

godmum56 · Today 18:32

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · Today 18:24

I thought your response to the answers to your original post were very thoughtful and gracious, @FoxyLocksie.

oh god there are two of em

godmum56 · Today 18:32

ScrollingLeaves · Today 18:28

I don’t know either. In fact of course it isn’t trolling.

I have also suggested that programme twice and I am a cancer survivor ( for the moment) which is why I paid special attention.

This whole thread is bizarre. It sounds as though the friend was tactless in the moment, but well meaning over all.

and now 3

ScrollingLeaves · Today 18:34

jdb9803 · Today 18:26

Because you obviously haven't read or understood the OP - she is seriously underweight as a result of the cancer and her doctor has told her to eat whatever she can to get some calories in her. She can't stomach most food right now.
The post is about her judgey AF 'friend' who berated her for not eating clean, despite the fact she is following doctors orders.
Then you come along with your links to radio programmes to side with her judgey AF friend that she should be eating better and probably got cancer in the first place by eating a goddam pizza
Is it clear now??

The programme was specifically about cancer doctors not giving the right orders.

This was said by a cancer doctor who has undertaken special studies.

As for putting on weight, there are all sorts of foods to choose from for putting in weight.

In any case there are also cancer prevention helping foods that could, when she feels able, be added to what OP fancies.

ScrollingLeaves · Today 18:35

godmum56 · Today 18:32

oh god there are two of em

Indeed.

Tigerbalmshark · Today 18:38

Goldengirl123 · Yesterday 22:22

Surely she is just being caring???

Do you think telling somebody undergoing active cancer treatment that “they just made their cancer worse” (by eating a fucking pizza) is the action of a caring friend?

It is the action of a sanctimonious cunt.

pouletvous · Today 18:38

Pizza is going to make your cancer worse

what a piece of work. Tell her to go

daleylama · Today 18:38

Dogingarden · Yesterday 22:13

I have a friend staying with me at the moment because it's just been my birthday.

I have been having treatment for breast cancer and have had no appetite for several weeks. Today I had a craving for pizza and have eaten a large pizza and some chips. I've also eaten most of a bar of green and blacks chocolate today too, along with some other bits.

Friend isn't very impressed and has said several times I need to eat healthy food. She's very much into healthy eating and is very disciplined about what she eats.

I've explained that my consultant says to eat whatever I fancy when I fancy and not worry about what I'm eating as long as I'm getting calories. I have long nearly two stone from chemo side effects, for context.

Friend disagreed with this and said I shouldn't be eating "processed crap" because it's just going to make the cancer worse.

I'm extremely upset by her attitude and what she's said. She's gone up to bed and I'm sitting in the garden with my dog feeling awful. She's meant to be staying until wed but I'm going to ask her to leave in the morning.

Wibu?

I'm in the same boat ( and have been for 25 years-outdoing all bets) . Nothing like terminal illness to bring out the Cancer specialist in some people. The preachy advice is done out of love though difficult to handle with grace. As your oncologist will have said, while you're in the throes of treatment ( radio and chemo are appetite killers as you know) eat whatever appeals -there won't be much ! I have/had much the same diet as you - too many nasty carbs and sugar..and still do ! I compromise by buying high quality treats (goumet pizza Vs frozen for e.g.) avoiding cheap sugary stuff and saturated fats. Do start reading the packaging and just tweak your diet as you go. More fruit and veg is always the aim.

jdb9803 · Today 18:38

ScrollingLeaves · Today 18:35

Indeed.

She ws referring to you!