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AIBU to think my parents are ignorant & somewhat racist ???

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ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 20:02

DH and I are both mid 40s. We moved to Dubai nearly 18 years ago for jobs, what was meant to be temporary became permanent, and we’ve built our lives here. We are still British, still expats, but very settled.

Our children were both born in Singapore as we were there for work for a while too. They’re British citizens but have never lived in the UK. We visit 6 or so times a fear. Frequent enough for them to somewhat know England or at least know where DH and I are from/grew up. They’ve done all the sightseeing, London eye, Scotland, Wales, Cotswolds, Cornwall etc they’ve been UK

They attend an international school here which is academically strong and well regarded. It’s also affiliated in various ways with UK private schools and a lot of the teaching staff are British. It follows a fairly rigorous curriculum, and many students go on to UK universities.

But the reality of the school is that it’s very international, as you’d expect. Their friendship group includes children from England, Scotland, America, Barbados, Bermuda, South Africa, Australia, India and many other countries. That’s just their normal.

We recently sent my parents a school class photos because they asked for it. My parents’ reaction really shocked us. They focused entirely on the fact it “doesn’t look English” and that there are “so many non-English children” in the class. My mum said she found it upsetting and that it made her feel sad for my sons.

We’ve also had similar reactions to other things. We sent a photo from my eldest son’s birthday recently around 20 children at a party here. Again, instead of being happy, the comments were about how it must be “just rich international kids” and that this isn’t a normal upbringing, and that we should be coming back to England.

The same narrative keeps coming up: that the children are “barely English anymore”, don’t sound English, don’t understand England properly, and that we’re somehow denying them a “proper British childhood”.
Even the accents get mentioned, they don’t have traditional English accents, more of an ‘international school’ accent despite DH and I having very southern England accents , which apparently is another concern.

What I struggle with is that from our perspective, none of this is negative.
My children are happy, confident, well educated, and very comfortable around people from all backgrounds. They don’t really think in terms of nationality in the way I grew up doing. They just see friends.

They are very well travelled, have lived this international lifestyle all their lives, and are completely at ease in multicultural environments. I actually see that as a strength rather than something missing.

But my parents seem to view it as a loss, like they’ve ended up with grandchildren who are somehow less “British” than they expected, and that this needs correcting by moving back.

They’re also very keen for us to return to the UK permanently, offering to buy us a house in cobham, but we simply don’t want to. I grew up in cobham, I don’t want to live there now. We have a good life here, we feel safe, the children are thriving, and we’re not ready to leave.

I grew up in Surrey and part of me does remember how small and insular things could feel, and I don’t think I want to go back to that for my children.

I feel guilty because I understand they miss us and want us closer, especially as they get older. But I also feel frustrated that everything about our children’s lives here is being framed as “wrong” or “less British”.

First it was ‘when are you two going to have children’ now I don’t think they love our children. They’re not willing to accept them. They’re still young, we can move back to the England and they’ll get an English accent but we don’t want to and also why does it matter. There’s more things my parents have said. Another example that really pissed me off was along the lives of what if one of the boys bring home a girl that isn’t English. Why does it matter??? It’s a disgusting way to view the world.

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Susieblue18 · 27/06/2026 21:15

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What a strange response, she’s just setting the scene and giving a bit of information.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 27/06/2026 21:16

Unless your experience is different from most, your DC are also experiencing living in a world where expats are wealthy and either locals work as maids, chauffeurs etc or the domestic staff are imported from somewhere like Indonesia. I wouldn’t bring my children up somewhere like that, I’m sorry. I lived in Singapore for a while, and the staff quarters were appalling and many staff little more than slaves. Locked in so they couldn’t get pregnant and cause expense for their ‘employer’.

Ponoka7 · 27/06/2026 21:16

They might cling on to the idea that you'll all go back. Marrying someone from another country can mean that you miss out on family (I am the child of immigrants on both sides of the family). So the fear might be, like them, you won't have a full relationship with your grandchildren. I've just Googled local schools, they aren't all white. Have your parents ever commented on the changing demographic of their village?

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 21:19

DeedlessIndeed · 27/06/2026 21:09

@ForCyanShaker
Sorry but you mention a doctor dropping dead in the NHS - didn't he take fentanyl and accidentally overdosed?

Not the point of the thread but you use the annecdote to paint a picture of grim reality in the UK. And whilst I don't disagree entirely, I don't think there is a need to spread misinformation.

I heard that he was overworked, long hours etc so was probably using that to help as the overdose wasn’t on purpose. Not trying to spread misinformation at all. I see stuff all the time about junior doctors, I have a niece who is a junior doctor she is planning to move to Australia in the next year due to her experience in England as a doctor. She wants to try another place and if it’s similar she is willing to quit medicine and go something else. She’s 25 and has already lost hope and slightly regrets studying medicine albeit still passionate about it.

Regardless no where is completely perfect but I still stand by my case on England currently being unstable. The MP situation is not great at all in the last ten years number 10 should not have had that many PMs that’s unstable.

I am not trying to spread misinformation. I live in Dubai of course I’m not trying to spread misinformation. I live in a place that is kept up by slavery essentially and I am well aware of that but DH and I were very young and did not have many opportunities in England. We had better opportunities than the new grads in England have right now but still it wasn’t enough for us. We planned to come back but then just got settled and had more opportunities to work in other countries temporarily.

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ShorterMumma · 27/06/2026 21:20

I think this is actually quite a usual situation when people immigrate.

I was born in Ireland. My grandparents hated our London accents. They constantly asked when we were coming home. As a child I thought I would be returning to Ireland but we never did.

My grandfather's were very worried we woukd marry English men and lose our 'Irishness'.

I live in London and my dc are in their 30s but my own mother would comment on the diversity of my dcs classes and that was in the 90s.

Live your life (which sounds wonderful) fot you and your dc, not your parents.

LoserWinner · 27/06/2026 21:20

Setting aside whether or not the OP’s parents are racist, or all the other things they have been called here, they have expressed badly something that has a kernel of truth. British ex-pat kids (personally, I prefer to call them children of economic migrants) have such different experiences growing up that they are inevitably different from children who grow up more or less wholly in their home country. I grew up overseas, and I absolutely benefitted from the rich cultural, social, economic and educational advantages that such a life offers. My whole world view is informed by that upbringing, and it means I don’t have as much in common with colleagues, friends and acquaintances as those who have lived most of their life in the UK. I’m no less “British”, but I’m British in a different way. I’m also quite rootless - I really don’t feel as if I ‘belong’ to any particular place or community. I can fit in anywhere, but nowhere is really ‘home’.

I suspect the OP’s parents consider their grandchildren, whom they see relatively rarely, as ‘different’ in ways they can’t really define. They may look back fondly on the family life they had when the OP was growing up, and feel a little regret that their grandchildren’s family life is so different, such that they can’t really understand or identify with it.

Oddly enough, it went the other way for me. After nearly 30 years, mostly in the Gulf, I chose to raise my children in the UK, send them to local schools, and live a ‘normal’ UK life. My parents were completely mystified that I would choose to live somewhere so parochial, boring and poor, and continually bugged me to consider moving back overseas to give my kids a better quality of life. I wanted my kids to feel they belonged somewhere, to put down roots and be part of a long term established community, and it worked for us. We all make choices for the way we raise our families, and sometimes those choices seem perverse to older generations.

Delphiniumandlupins · 27/06/2026 21:20

BadBadCat · 27/06/2026 21:13

If a British Chinese person said they were going to China to raise their family because they wanted them to grow up in an environment where they could be surrounded by their own culture and experience growing up in the country of their ancestors, I doubt we would call them racist.

If I said that a British Chinese person couldn't be British because they looked Chinese that would be racist and that is what OP's parents are doing. They think the only way to be British is to be white and speak with an English accent.

godmum56 · 27/06/2026 21:22

Ifyounevergiveup · 27/06/2026 21:13

Yes, they’re racist. My parents are in their 80s, lived abroad for many years, and yet still have vile views on anyone who’s not Anglo Saxon and dares live in “their country”. They, of course, were immigrants themselves for the 30 or so years they lived abroad. Ugh.

May I take a bit of a different tack on the remainder of your post? These people are also deeply controlling. They wanted to dictate when you had kids. They want to dictate how you live. They want to dictate how you bring up your children. And I’m assuming they’re nowhere near my parents’ age yet. If you come back they will exhaust you with their attempts at manipulation, which will only get worse as they get older. My advice (heartfelt from bitter experience) would be to stay on a different continent from them as long as you can. Don’t give them room in your head. They have told you who they are and believe me, it only gets worse. Stay away. Don’t even consider coming back. Nothing to do with the state of the country. Everything to do with avoiding exposing your happy family to these awful people.

I agree and said it upthread

AsiaFlyer · 27/06/2026 21:22

BadBadCat · 27/06/2026 21:13

If a British Chinese person said they were going to China to raise their family because they wanted them to grow up in an environment where they could be surrounded by their own culture and experience growing up in the country of their ancestors, I doubt we would call them racist.

Yes this always interests me. On the one hand I think it’s valid to criticise one’s own culture and others.

On the other hand, so many things seen on MN as appalling bigotry are mainstream belief in huge swathes of the world.

So. I defend anyone’s right to believe most Chinese parents are vile racists (to pick two words from this thread). But I guess most of those criticising OP’s GP would recoil at that statement too. Something doesn’t add up.

(Chinese here meaning in China, not necessarily British Chinese parents)

OriginalSkang · 27/06/2026 21:22

What do you say to your parents when they say this stuff?

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 21:23

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 27/06/2026 21:16

Unless your experience is different from most, your DC are also experiencing living in a world where expats are wealthy and either locals work as maids, chauffeurs etc or the domestic staff are imported from somewhere like Indonesia. I wouldn’t bring my children up somewhere like that, I’m sorry. I lived in Singapore for a while, and the staff quarters were appalling and many staff little more than slaves. Locked in so they couldn’t get pregnant and cause expense for their ‘employer’.

I 100% agree. I go back and fourth between wanting to move back to England because of this. DH and I do not have maids or chauffeurs etc but we see some of the children at our children’s school and they have all of that and more it’s uncomfortable.

I am not here to say that Dubai is perfect or Singapore, or Shanghai or Hong Kong. We’ve lived in quite a few places temporarily, Dubai has been more consistent but we’ve seen it all and we’ve had multiple conversations about it.

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PeachPlayer8 · 27/06/2026 21:23

You are sharing pics with them, inviting them in and they are replying with awful judgemental shit like that? That’s their problem not yours and I’d be annoyed too. I wonder if there’s a bit of resentment or something creeping in, and actually the reality is that they miss you very much and want you to be near to them? You sound like wonderfully successful people doing your best for your kids and any grandparents should be proud.

godmum56 · 27/06/2026 21:24

OriginalSkang · 27/06/2026 21:22

What do you say to your parents when they say this stuff?

good question

Downplayit · 27/06/2026 21:24

I wonder if your parents are very clumsily recognising the third culture experience of your children. I've worked with many third culture kids and young adults and always feel that sense of lack of belonging from them. If your parents really value home and community and belonging they will see the gap. When they referenced your son bringing someone home who wasn't English did they actually mean being frightened of the liklihood of them then settling in another country again to bring up another family. The reality is that your sons can't stay in Dubai long term unless they get jobs so they potentially face having to move to a country they might never have lived in. Perhaps that doesn't phase them but its probably a terrifying idea for your parents.

saveforthat · 27/06/2026 21:24

I'm intrigued now by the "international school accent" what does it sound like? Many people that are not English or American speak English with an American accent. Is it that?

VinnieBeige · 27/06/2026 21:24

Delphiniumandlupins · 27/06/2026 21:20

If I said that a British Chinese person couldn't be British because they looked Chinese that would be racist and that is what OP's parents are doing. They think the only way to be British is to be white and speak with an English accent.

They are allowed to think that. It isn’t racist. It’s just an attacked point of view. It’s a valid point of view that is no longer being kept under wraps in an attempt not to offend people. Seeing as how people now get offended by everything except bad manners, free speech has returned. Suppressing it failed to pacify.

Lougle · 27/06/2026 21:25

BreakingBroken · 27/06/2026 20:53

Sounds to me like they miss you and are grieving what they thought their future would be. Yes, you and the family are doing well but I sense they wanted a closer connection. That your move has denied them even a cultural connection with your children.

I agree with this. I think it is likely that your choices for your children, and the way you express them here, come through as a rejection for your parents. You have decided that they don't need all the things your parents were probably proud to give you. They see their upbringing of you as giving you roots, stability, identity.

You have made a home in another country, probably telling them it was temporary. Then, you've given birth in another country, and decided to make Dubai a permanent home. Your children visit the UK 6 times per year, but how many times do they visit their Grandparents? It sounds like probably not enough to build a proper lasting relationship.

You're not wrong, but I think it would help if you saw this more in the sense that your parents are struggling with your decisions about how to live than about how many children in the class are Chinese, or Jamaican, etc.

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 21:26

OriginalSkang · 27/06/2026 21:22

What do you say to your parents when they say this stuff?

I do call them out on it. I’m not just going to keep quiet and let it slide. The most recent situation has caused me to not speak to my mum at the moment and limit contact with my father but the children do love to speak to their grandparents so it is a little tough. Which is why I posted on here for a bit of perspective.

DHs parents are the complete opposite so at least they have one set of grandparents they can rely on.

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DistanceCall · 27/06/2026 21:27

JoyousOpalLemur · 27/06/2026 20:28

They're not a different race so it's not racism and it is a weird upbringing they're having.

What do you mean by "weird"? Why is it weird?

Delphiniumandlupins · 27/06/2026 21:30

VinnieBeige · 27/06/2026 21:24

They are allowed to think that. It isn’t racist. It’s just an attacked point of view. It’s a valid point of view that is no longer being kept under wraps in an attempt not to offend people. Seeing as how people now get offended by everything except bad manners, free speech has returned. Suppressing it failed to pacify.

OK. If I, like the OP's parents, think someone is lesser because they are British Chinese or British Asian is that still a valid point of view? They are saying that a school photo with a lot of non-English looking children is a problem.

VinnieBeige · 27/06/2026 21:31

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 21:26

I do call them out on it. I’m not just going to keep quiet and let it slide. The most recent situation has caused me to not speak to my mum at the moment and limit contact with my father but the children do love to speak to their grandparents so it is a little tough. Which is why I posted on here for a bit of perspective.

DHs parents are the complete opposite so at least they have one set of grandparents they can rely on.

You are hurting your parents because you aren’t able to discuss things calmly with them and come to an understanding?

or you are hurting your parents because you think your Point of view is so superior to theirs that they aren’t worthy of your time anymore?

VinnieBeige · 27/06/2026 21:32

Delphiniumandlupins · 27/06/2026 21:30

OK. If I, like the OP's parents, think someone is lesser because they are British Chinese or British Asian is that still a valid point of view? They are saying that a school photo with a lot of non-English looking children is a problem.

It is a problem, as they would love their gc to share their culture.

Clavinova · 27/06/2026 21:32

Funnily enough, I know three families who have lived/worked in Singapore who now live in Cobham. Two of their children were also born in Singapore. Of all the places to describe as an insular village - Cobham is one of the least likely candidates. Not far from London, quite a few Americans because of the American International School, a smattering of celebrities and a few Chelsea footballers (Chelsea's training ground is also in Cobham). I expect loads of families who live in Cobham also own property abroad or travel the world for work/holiday.

Sherararara · 27/06/2026 21:32

Your parents are likely intimidated and insecure at your lifestyle and the fact that they feel they can’t relate to your grandkids as they don’t share common upbringing experience. You and your kids experience is presumably worlds apart from their own experience living in the UK. To be frank they are small minded (like a lot of people on MN every time there is an ex-pat thread) and possibly envious. Their vision of grandparenthood and the reality are very different.
Speaking as someone who also lived the ex-pat lifestyle almost identical to yours, with kids born abroad and educated in private schools.

AsiaFlyer · 27/06/2026 21:34

DistanceCall · 27/06/2026 21:27

What do you mean by "weird"? Why is it weird?

To be fair, it is a fairly weird existence being an expat kid.

Weird as in unusual, not necessarily bad.

Common not to speak the language of the country you grew up in, for example, or to have extra passports of places you don’t remember, or to have friends arrive or disappear to other parts of the world fairly commonly. Often housekeepers and drivers, who are as likely to take you places as your own parents. Being both very cosmopolitan and also quite bubbled and insular.

Amazing experience in many ways, and of course NAEALT. But weird on many measures.

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