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AIBU to think my parents are ignorant & somewhat racist ???

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ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 20:02

DH and I are both mid 40s. We moved to Dubai nearly 18 years ago for jobs, what was meant to be temporary became permanent, and we’ve built our lives here. We are still British, still expats, but very settled.

Our children were both born in Singapore as we were there for work for a while too. They’re British citizens but have never lived in the UK. We visit 6 or so times a fear. Frequent enough for them to somewhat know England or at least know where DH and I are from/grew up. They’ve done all the sightseeing, London eye, Scotland, Wales, Cotswolds, Cornwall etc they’ve been UK

They attend an international school here which is academically strong and well regarded. It’s also affiliated in various ways with UK private schools and a lot of the teaching staff are British. It follows a fairly rigorous curriculum, and many students go on to UK universities.

But the reality of the school is that it’s very international, as you’d expect. Their friendship group includes children from England, Scotland, America, Barbados, Bermuda, South Africa, Australia, India and many other countries. That’s just their normal.

We recently sent my parents a school class photos because they asked for it. My parents’ reaction really shocked us. They focused entirely on the fact it “doesn’t look English” and that there are “so many non-English children” in the class. My mum said she found it upsetting and that it made her feel sad for my sons.

We’ve also had similar reactions to other things. We sent a photo from my eldest son’s birthday recently around 20 children at a party here. Again, instead of being happy, the comments were about how it must be “just rich international kids” and that this isn’t a normal upbringing, and that we should be coming back to England.

The same narrative keeps coming up: that the children are “barely English anymore”, don’t sound English, don’t understand England properly, and that we’re somehow denying them a “proper British childhood”.
Even the accents get mentioned, they don’t have traditional English accents, more of an ‘international school’ accent despite DH and I having very southern England accents , which apparently is another concern.

What I struggle with is that from our perspective, none of this is negative.
My children are happy, confident, well educated, and very comfortable around people from all backgrounds. They don’t really think in terms of nationality in the way I grew up doing. They just see friends.

They are very well travelled, have lived this international lifestyle all their lives, and are completely at ease in multicultural environments. I actually see that as a strength rather than something missing.

But my parents seem to view it as a loss, like they’ve ended up with grandchildren who are somehow less “British” than they expected, and that this needs correcting by moving back.

They’re also very keen for us to return to the UK permanently, offering to buy us a house in cobham, but we simply don’t want to. I grew up in cobham, I don’t want to live there now. We have a good life here, we feel safe, the children are thriving, and we’re not ready to leave.

I grew up in Surrey and part of me does remember how small and insular things could feel, and I don’t think I want to go back to that for my children.

I feel guilty because I understand they miss us and want us closer, especially as they get older. But I also feel frustrated that everything about our children’s lives here is being framed as “wrong” or “less British”.

First it was ‘when are you two going to have children’ now I don’t think they love our children. They’re not willing to accept them. They’re still young, we can move back to the England and they’ll get an English accent but we don’t want to and also why does it matter. There’s more things my parents have said. Another example that really pissed me off was along the lives of what if one of the boys bring home a girl that isn’t English. Why does it matter??? It’s a disgusting way to view the world.

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ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 09:22

OtterlyAstounding · 29/06/2026 07:52

You did try to justify it, by saying you didn't have enough opportunity in Britain, so turned instead to a country with an appalling rate of misogyny, homophobia, racism, and modern slavery.

And a pattern of what? What actual harm are they contributing to, other than annoying you with their persistent xenophobic comments? It sounds like they're perfectly polite to those of different races who are around them? Interesting that the fact that apparently all your siblings are cutting them off because they're so horrendously racist (why? Because they assume white = British at the age of 70-something? Or are concerned about cross-cultural marriage?) was only mentioned by you recently, instead of in your OP.

Meanwhile, you're enjoying wealth and privilege that's propped up on racist modern slavery. Perhaps one day your children will decide to cut off contact with you because you knowingly and unapologetically took advantage of slavery in order to make more money.

Us saying we moved for jobs isn’t us justifying the part we play in the system. We also moved to America… that’s not us justifying anything. We are well aware of how America was built by slavery and how it has its wealth. Jim Crow existed in the 60s lots of people migrated to America during that time. Same with Australia, the indigenous communities aren’t suffering injustices and inequality, me going there for work doesn’t mean I don’t recognise or notice or see my part to play. Lots of people moved to South Africa during apartheid yet now if someone moved to SA no one would really bat any eyelid. That wasn’t that long ago. These aren’t excuses these are examples of the world we live in each country has it’s part to play in historical injustices. I have played a part in that too and I 100% agree with you. I live a VERY privileged life it doesn’t mean I can’t call out racism when I do see it just because I’m not this perfect moral being.

My parents are racist but that does not mean I am perfect and a moral person based on my life decisions and where I chose to work.

I will reiterate that I 100% agree and perhaps one day my children will decide to cut or limit contact with me the way my siblings and I have to my parents. It is their right to choose my children don’t owe me anything it is not a dictatorship contract between my children and I. In their adulthood they’re free to decide who they keep contact with I will respect that. It might hurt but I’ve always respected peoples choices and I will certainly respect my own children’s choices above all.

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AsiaFlyer · 29/06/2026 09:46

Magnificentkitteh · 29/06/2026 09:20

I think it is gross to worry about the skin colour of your children's slpartners, yes. I know this happens in other countries too but the world is a racist place. I don't see why that makes things better. My own family has mixed marriage heritage going back much longer than most, but also suffered rifts and prejudices because of it.

Worrying about cultural differences between your offspring and their partners and loss of your own heritage is arguably a more acceptable concern but really not your parents' or grandparents' business. Children live their own lives and choose their own partners and abuse is the only reason for stepping in.

Obviously that's my view shaped by my own cultural context, values and upbringing, but you asked for my view. I think that to the extent that there is a British culture worth fighting for, it should include shared values of racial and religious tolerance.

Interesting. That is consistent at least, and not too far from where I land. What I try to remember (well, living elsewhere makes it very obvious) is that I'm the weirdo here with my universalist, Western liberal values. One thing that does trigger me in much Western/MN discussions though is the idea that noticing or commenting on difference is itself wrong, let alone that it's one of the worst wrongs there is. I think that can be supported only if one is either extremely sheltered or doesn't truly grant moral agency to people from other groups.

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 29/06/2026 09:46

ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 09:22

Us saying we moved for jobs isn’t us justifying the part we play in the system. We also moved to America… that’s not us justifying anything. We are well aware of how America was built by slavery and how it has its wealth. Jim Crow existed in the 60s lots of people migrated to America during that time. Same with Australia, the indigenous communities aren’t suffering injustices and inequality, me going there for work doesn’t mean I don’t recognise or notice or see my part to play. Lots of people moved to South Africa during apartheid yet now if someone moved to SA no one would really bat any eyelid. That wasn’t that long ago. These aren’t excuses these are examples of the world we live in each country has it’s part to play in historical injustices. I have played a part in that too and I 100% agree with you. I live a VERY privileged life it doesn’t mean I can’t call out racism when I do see it just because I’m not this perfect moral being.

My parents are racist but that does not mean I am perfect and a moral person based on my life decisions and where I chose to work.

I will reiterate that I 100% agree and perhaps one day my children will decide to cut or limit contact with me the way my siblings and I have to my parents. It is their right to choose my children don’t owe me anything it is not a dictatorship contract between my children and I. In their adulthood they’re free to decide who they keep contact with I will respect that. It might hurt but I’ve always respected peoples choices and I will certainly respect my own children’s choices above all.

I see you’ve reverted to the "but historical injustices!" line of argument. If that’s the best defence you can come up with I think that tells us something.

You repeatedly assert that you acknowledge the ongoing injustices and abuses of the society in which you choose to live, because apparently you think that that acknowledgement frees you from any need to feel guilt or responsibility for implicitly supporting, and materially benefiting from, a society organised around misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia and modern slavery. I don’t understand how an intelligent person, which you obviously are, can really believe this if they are truly honest with themselves.

I think you are focusing all your energies on this one aspect of your children's lives - the unacceptable comments (made to you, not them) of their grandparents, whom they see half a dozen times a year - because it somehow stops you having to focus on the obviously far larger issue in your lives. That issue is that you are choosing to demonstrate to your children every single day that material wealth, comfort and privilege are more important to you than your much-vaunted principles of equality etc., and that the human rights abuses they must see every day, even in their privileged bubble, simply don’t matter as long as one pays lip-service to recognising them.

Which is worse: expressing outdated, perhaps unpleasant, views because you are convinced you are right, or choosing to live with and benefit from similar views even though you know and acknowledge that they are wrong (and teaching your children by example to do the same)?

ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 09:50

PurpleThistle7 · 29/06/2026 09:17

Of course you have the right to cut off anyone you like for any reason you like. My entire extended family cut me off when I married my husband - because he isn't Jewish. That was fine as I didn't much like them and their bigotry anyway. My life is all the better for it.

I continue to think it's a bizarre take that you can live your life in a culture that thrives on racism but somehow it's worse to hear it out loud. If you are genuinely worried for what your children will internalise, I would be moving far, far away from Dubai! And yes - most countries were founded on slavery, but not all countries happily and unapologetically engage it in today. America isn't perfect by any stretch, and suffers from long-seated and entrenched racism and classism, but it's not literally based on enclaves of people enslaving others in order to avoid paying taxes. Or at least, the part of society that does operate like that is more secretive about it. of course terrible people exist everywhere and we likely all guilty of benefitting from things like Amazon deliveries and fast fashion, but my day to day life isn't rooted in separation and privilege.

What I will say is that how you live is far, far more important than what they may or may not hear from a grandparent. I pay lots and lots of tax in Scotland. I go on litter pics and volunteer at the PTA and the food bank with my daughter (and my son when he's older of course) and my children have friends from any number of ethnic backgrounds and socioeconomic situations. I will never be wealthy, but my kids will be rooted in an expectation of participation and hard work and contributing to the society they benefit from.

I agree

However, I think you’re making an assumption I haven’t said that it’s somehow worse that my parents are doing vs where I have actively chosen to live.

Two can very much coexist in my view. It’s not one or the other it can be both it’s not black and white or right vs wrong.

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OtterlyAstounding · 29/06/2026 09:56

ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 09:22

Us saying we moved for jobs isn’t us justifying the part we play in the system. We also moved to America… that’s not us justifying anything. We are well aware of how America was built by slavery and how it has its wealth. Jim Crow existed in the 60s lots of people migrated to America during that time. Same with Australia, the indigenous communities aren’t suffering injustices and inequality, me going there for work doesn’t mean I don’t recognise or notice or see my part to play. Lots of people moved to South Africa during apartheid yet now if someone moved to SA no one would really bat any eyelid. That wasn’t that long ago. These aren’t excuses these are examples of the world we live in each country has it’s part to play in historical injustices. I have played a part in that too and I 100% agree with you. I live a VERY privileged life it doesn’t mean I can’t call out racism when I do see it just because I’m not this perfect moral being.

My parents are racist but that does not mean I am perfect and a moral person based on my life decisions and where I chose to work.

I will reiterate that I 100% agree and perhaps one day my children will decide to cut or limit contact with me the way my siblings and I have to my parents. It is their right to choose my children don’t owe me anything it is not a dictatorship contract between my children and I. In their adulthood they’re free to decide who they keep contact with I will respect that. It might hurt but I’ve always respected peoples choices and I will certainly respect my own children’s choices above all.

So there were no jobs in the UK? And Dubai was what you decided on? Hm.

You simply cannot seriously compare Dubai, a country that currently engages in major human rights violations and slavery, to the USA, a country that did so historically, and is nowhere near as bad currently. Australia? I live next door, in Aotearoa, and Australia is currently (very imperfectly) trying to repair past damages done to Aborigines, and right past wrongs, nt continue that behaviour. South Africa? Again, historical. Are Dubai's wrongs historical? No? Are they trying to make amends? No? Is it yet legal to be gay or lesbian there? No?

Dubai is the US during slavery, SA during apartheid, and Australia when Aboriginal children were being stolen, and I would judge someone who moved there during that time, just because they were greedy for more money.

By all means, cut off your parents, but frankly I think most people would agree that they're actually less ethically problematic than you are, and that you're being unreasonable, given you're happily profiting from a racist, homophobic, misogynistic society that engages in modern slavery. And you don't have the excuse of being elderly and ignorant.

Gloriia · 29/06/2026 09:56

'What are the disadvantages? I’m fairly open minded. I don’t necessarily want my children in England right now but still curious of the disadvantages'

You live in the very unstable ME, a stone's throw from Iran yet don't see any disadvantages? Didn't you see any disadvantages a few months ago when there was a bit of an exodus from Dubai?

Your parents are probably just very concerned about the fake, superficial life your dc have in Dubai and maybe think being around family might be more beneficial than glitzy shopping malls and the ex pat lifestyle?

ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 10:27

OtterlyAstounding · 29/06/2026 09:56

So there were no jobs in the UK? And Dubai was what you decided on? Hm.

You simply cannot seriously compare Dubai, a country that currently engages in major human rights violations and slavery, to the USA, a country that did so historically, and is nowhere near as bad currently. Australia? I live next door, in Aotearoa, and Australia is currently (very imperfectly) trying to repair past damages done to Aborigines, and right past wrongs, nt continue that behaviour. South Africa? Again, historical. Are Dubai's wrongs historical? No? Are they trying to make amends? No? Is it yet legal to be gay or lesbian there? No?

Dubai is the US during slavery, SA during apartheid, and Australia when Aboriginal children were being stolen, and I would judge someone who moved there during that time, just because they were greedy for more money.

By all means, cut off your parents, but frankly I think most people would agree that they're actually less ethically problematic than you are, and that you're being unreasonable, given you're happily profiting from a racist, homophobic, misogynistic society that engages in modern slavery. And you don't have the excuse of being elderly and ignorant.

Dubai wasn’t the first place I worked at but let’s just go with that. I am not disagreeing with you at all.

I think you’re treating this as a binary moral ranking exercise and I don’t think real life works that way. I am open to being wrong I am most likely wrong but this is just one perspective of many.

i am not claiming the UAE or any country I’ve lived in is beyond criticism. I’ve been very clear about acknowledging its issues. But it’s also not accurate or intellectually honest to flatten it into a single comparison and then use that as a way to invalidate everything else being discussed.

Most countries, including the western ones I have lived in are not “post-ethical.” They are ongoing systems with historical legacies, present day injustices and gradual reforms happening at different speeds. I feel as though I can acknowledge that without pretending there is a clean moral divide between “acceptable” and “irredeemable” countries.

On the specific accusation of hypocrisy: people make constrained choices in imperfect systems all the time. That doesn’t automatically negate my ability to recognise problems within those systems or to set boundaries in my personal lives. Otherwise, no one would ever be entitled to critique anything they are indirectly part of and that standard simply isn’t applied consistently in real life.

I also think it’s important not to confuse disagreement with “ethical ranking of people.”

My original point was about boundaries within my own family relationships and the normalisation of prejudice. That’s a separate issue from geopolitics and labour markets, even if it’s more convenient to merge them.

But yes I do agree with you on anything you say. I won’t debate against my own moral failures I did not come here to claim that I have the most moral person in this situation nor did I have to say I am better than my parents. I simply wanted some perspectives. You do not need to engage if I am beyond the point of being a moral person due to where I have decided to live. Even if we moved it doesn’t change that fact that I’ve lived here, China, Australia, Qatar, Singapore, Japan, America, etc. I have still done those things I’ve lived in countries that committed injustices and some which continue to do so. I have a part to play in that. You seem to think I am saying that I’m not at play here in terms of injustice I am.

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PurpleThistle7 · 29/06/2026 10:29

ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 09:50

I agree

However, I think you’re making an assumption I haven’t said that it’s somehow worse that my parents are doing vs where I have actively chosen to live.

Two can very much coexist in my view. It’s not one or the other it can be both it’s not black and white or right vs wrong.

But you're only proposing ending one of these situations so you must think your parents are worse than your life choices. I didn't make that call - I think both are appalling and shouldn't be happening. You decided it's fine to stay in Dubai because it's nice or whatever (for you) but also cut off your parents as you don't like their worldviews. All fine - your life - but I cannot wrap my head around that decision at all.

ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 10:40

Gloriia · 29/06/2026 09:56

'What are the disadvantages? I’m fairly open minded. I don’t necessarily want my children in England right now but still curious of the disadvantages'

You live in the very unstable ME, a stone's throw from Iran yet don't see any disadvantages? Didn't you see any disadvantages a few months ago when there was a bit of an exodus from Dubai?

Your parents are probably just very concerned about the fake, superficial life your dc have in Dubai and maybe think being around family might be more beneficial than glitzy shopping malls and the ex pat lifestyle?

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You are right that is certainly a disadvantage that DH and I have spoken about. He does work for FCDO and we have had somewhat ‘personal’ advice on what we should do by ‘experts’ and I am choosing to trust them maybe that’s silly but I worked within security & intelligence for a time and I’m still in touch with friends who still work in that field and we’ve had advice.

In a way we are probably doing a disservice to our children but I’ll certainly agree with that but they’re not currently in danger where they are on a day to day basis but that can change at anytime and we will just act as best as we can to protect them. We do plan to move back to England at a point because of work contracts but are willing to move early for the sake of our children.

My husbands work throughout his whole working life and my work for a time has been to the advantage of Britain and keeping the country safe so it’s funny when people think I’m against Britain because I don’t like my mother’s ignorant and racist views, they’re very well educated individuals they know better. That’s all.

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OtterlyAstounding · 29/06/2026 10:43

ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 10:27

Dubai wasn’t the first place I worked at but let’s just go with that. I am not disagreeing with you at all.

I think you’re treating this as a binary moral ranking exercise and I don’t think real life works that way. I am open to being wrong I am most likely wrong but this is just one perspective of many.

i am not claiming the UAE or any country I’ve lived in is beyond criticism. I’ve been very clear about acknowledging its issues. But it’s also not accurate or intellectually honest to flatten it into a single comparison and then use that as a way to invalidate everything else being discussed.

Most countries, including the western ones I have lived in are not “post-ethical.” They are ongoing systems with historical legacies, present day injustices and gradual reforms happening at different speeds. I feel as though I can acknowledge that without pretending there is a clean moral divide between “acceptable” and “irredeemable” countries.

On the specific accusation of hypocrisy: people make constrained choices in imperfect systems all the time. That doesn’t automatically negate my ability to recognise problems within those systems or to set boundaries in my personal lives. Otherwise, no one would ever be entitled to critique anything they are indirectly part of and that standard simply isn’t applied consistently in real life.

I also think it’s important not to confuse disagreement with “ethical ranking of people.”

My original point was about boundaries within my own family relationships and the normalisation of prejudice. That’s a separate issue from geopolitics and labour markets, even if it’s more convenient to merge them.

But yes I do agree with you on anything you say. I won’t debate against my own moral failures I did not come here to claim that I have the most moral person in this situation nor did I have to say I am better than my parents. I simply wanted some perspectives. You do not need to engage if I am beyond the point of being a moral person due to where I have decided to live. Even if we moved it doesn’t change that fact that I’ve lived here, China, Australia, Qatar, Singapore, Japan, America, etc. I have still done those things I’ve lived in countries that committed injustices and some which continue to do so. I have a part to play in that. You seem to think I am saying that I’m not at play here in terms of injustice I am.

Real life works in the way that you are the one directly benefiting from a society that runs on modern slavery, and your parents are not.

And again, Dubai CURRENTLY has enormous human rights violations, including misogyny and homophobia, to a level that is far, far beyond the modern USA, Japan, or Australia. It makes you sound like you're clutching at straws when you try to argue they're even vaguely equivalent.

You asked if you're being unreasonable, and I think you are, if all your parents are saying is what you've related here. If they're in their seventies or older and otherwise lovely, then you're best just changing the subject or airily dismissing their views, and not cutting them off altogether. Your kids will be able to learn that we can love and value people, and still disagree with their views.

Really though, you'd be better served in changing what you do, given you acknowledge how immoral you are, rather than kicking up a hypocritical fuss and judging your elderly parents so harshly for what they say.

JHound · 29/06/2026 10:44

We recently sent my parents a school class photos because they asked for it. My parents’ reaction really shocked us. They focused entirely on the fact it “doesn’t look English” and that there are “so many non-English children” in the class. My mum said she found it upsetting and that it made her feel sad for my sons.

Jesus H Christ…

You aren’t being unreasonable in the slightest. Your parents are not only batty but incredibly racist.

Your kids are having a fantastic life. I have a number of friends who attended international schools overseas and I am a little envious. Your parents seems to lament your children having s diverse social circle and diverse childhood experiences which is really weird to get upset over. Imagine how they will react if your children date somebody of a different background!

I would be honest with my parents as to my views on their comments.

ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 10:44

PurpleThistle7 · 29/06/2026 10:29

But you're only proposing ending one of these situations so you must think your parents are worse than your life choices. I didn't make that call - I think both are appalling and shouldn't be happening. You decided it's fine to stay in Dubai because it's nice or whatever (for you) but also cut off your parents as you don't like their worldviews. All fine - your life - but I cannot wrap my head around that decision at all.

Understandable. We aren’t here because it’s ‘nice’ we aren’t who you think we are but I completely agree with the assumptions I’m not going to argue over it. I understand we are in a privileged position and trust me we go back and fourth with our decisions constantly but I will accept criticism I haven’t come here to claim that I am this perfect moral being compared to my parents.

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JHound · 29/06/2026 10:49

I could more understand if they had issues with you choosing to live in Dubai with all the narrative about the UAE and human right’s abuses but it’s not that. If your children were being raised in the exact same multi-ethnic friend circles but in Sweden it seems as though they would have the same reaction. I would just stand firm that you think your children’s environment and way of seeing the world is a blessing and an advantage, not a negative and so you won’t be changing that.

Sorry I mentioned this in my last post but just saw this comment:

Another example that really pissed me off was along the lives of what if one of the boys bring home a girl that isn’t English. Why does it matter??? It’s a disgusting way to view the world.

So I was correct. When they say things like that just mention “well I hope they do”. Make your parents heads explode.

JHound · 29/06/2026 10:53

And to answer your opening question:

“AIBU to think my parents are ignorant & somewhat racist ???

No YANBU. Because they are.

ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 10:58

OtterlyAstounding · 29/06/2026 10:43

Real life works in the way that you are the one directly benefiting from a society that runs on modern slavery, and your parents are not.

And again, Dubai CURRENTLY has enormous human rights violations, including misogyny and homophobia, to a level that is far, far beyond the modern USA, Japan, or Australia. It makes you sound like you're clutching at straws when you try to argue they're even vaguely equivalent.

You asked if you're being unreasonable, and I think you are, if all your parents are saying is what you've related here. If they're in their seventies or older and otherwise lovely, then you're best just changing the subject or airily dismissing their views, and not cutting them off altogether. Your kids will be able to learn that we can love and value people, and still disagree with their views.

Really though, you'd be better served in changing what you do, given you acknowledge how immoral you are, rather than kicking up a hypocritical fuss and judging your elderly parents so harshly for what they say.

Maybe I am being unreasonable.

The work DH and I do requires us to be in a lot of places. It’s certainly not what you think DH works for the fcdo and I did too for about 10 years but yes we aren’t moral beings and I haven’t claimed to be.

I 100% agree and maybe I am treating the harshly but that’s what I have chosen to do for the time being. Same way my children will have a choice on how to treat us when they’re older.

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JHound · 29/06/2026 10:59

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 21:26

I do call them out on it. I’m not just going to keep quiet and let it slide. The most recent situation has caused me to not speak to my mum at the moment and limit contact with my father but the children do love to speak to their grandparents so it is a little tough. Which is why I posted on here for a bit of perspective.

DHs parents are the complete opposite so at least they have one set of grandparents they can rely on.

This is important as a lot of people like to blame this on age - but it seems your DH parents are a lot more open-minded and less obsessed / focused on ethnicity / nationality / race.

JHound · 29/06/2026 11:08

ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 23:27

Agree sorry it’s a term people use. I’ve said I’m an immigrant

I think you’re getting unnecessary flack for using “ex-pat.” While I know the term “ex-pat” is often used to mean “white immigrant”. I think there is an understanding of permanence in the term “immigrant” which is not the same as ex-pat. I view all immigrants in places like the UAE as ex-pats irrespective of ethnicity as it’s almost impossible to become Emirati legally and they all have to leave eventually. Plus they aren’t living in and amongst Emiratis (through local choice). Dunno how much it had changed but when I had to go to Dubai (and Qatar) for work decades ago there were expat compounds. I would think it was different if you were in Canada or the USA or New Zealand but I think it’s fine to call immigrants to the UAE “expats”.

JHound · 29/06/2026 11:11

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 07:09

In a photo from what they’ve described they’d pass as English.

My parents have see photos of my children with America, Australian, Canadian, French kids etc and they make assumptions that they’re English based on colour. Which is why I think they are racist in their views. They have no issues with the white children from the looks of it and I don’t like that. My children are in an environment where there’s lots of children from so many different countries, they don’t all have white skin.

So when your parents say “the kids don’t look English” they mean “they are not white”.

And if they have no issue with them being surrounded by foreigners as long as they are white, well….

Gloriia · 29/06/2026 11:12

'I 100% agree and maybe I am treating the harshly but that’s what I have chosen to do for the time being. Same way my children will have a choice on how to treat us when they’re older'

Yes but Dubai, for 18yrs! Just why? If you're both experienced and well travelled surely there's a whole host of places you could take your kids to enrich their lives etc. I've lived near Dubai and visited a few times, it's the most soulless superficial plastic fantastic place I've been. Ok for a quick r&r trip but 18years? Your parents are probably just more concerned about the materialistic expat culture and what an impact that will have on your impressionable kids.

I'd try another country if I were you.

ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 11:17

Gloriia · 29/06/2026 11:12

'I 100% agree and maybe I am treating the harshly but that’s what I have chosen to do for the time being. Same way my children will have a choice on how to treat us when they’re older'

Yes but Dubai, for 18yrs! Just why? If you're both experienced and well travelled surely there's a whole host of places you could take your kids to enrich their lives etc. I've lived near Dubai and visited a few times, it's the most soulless superficial plastic fantastic place I've been. Ok for a quick r&r trip but 18years? Your parents are probably just more concerned about the materialistic expat culture and what an impact that will have on your impressionable kids.

I'd try another country if I were you.

DH gets stationed at lots of different places. He doesn’t necessarily get much choice. We haven’t necessarily been in Dubai or Middle East for the full 18 yrs. His work for the fcdo he is hired by UK government, this requires him to be in countries that most wouldn’t want to be in but since having children it is more stable. My first post was in Lebanon but this was quite sometime ago. I’ve since changed careers into a more stable one. The work we both do is for the UK.

There is an assumption here about why we live where we live BUT I do agree the place is materialistic, we certainly aren’t here for those reasons and I do worry but I’m also trying my best to raise great children I’ll do the best I can. Maybe I should have chosen a different career but I can’t go back in time sadly.

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PurpleThistle7 · 29/06/2026 11:20

So you already made the decision so what are you looking for here?

I think Dubai (and the whole area) is a disgusting place to live and a worse place to raise a family. As a Jewish woman with a gay mother I can't even make a list of all the reasons I wouldn't ever, ever expose my children to that place. Your children are only mixing with wealthy, insular, privileged people who all collectively decided to ignore every single reality of life for the millions of people around them. These aren't good people. Do you cut your children off from their friends who have slaves in their homes? Do you cut them off from benefitting from cleaners / nannies / gardeners / whatever else I can't even imagine as a middle-class person leading a normal life? Or is it only your parents who you have an issue with here?

Honestly the people they see day to day will have far more influence on them than the grandparents they see every few months. I would work on that first. Though I guess it's all too late as you weren't actually here for opinions or a discussion anyway!

ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 11:27

PurpleThistle7 · 29/06/2026 11:20

So you already made the decision so what are you looking for here?

I think Dubai (and the whole area) is a disgusting place to live and a worse place to raise a family. As a Jewish woman with a gay mother I can't even make a list of all the reasons I wouldn't ever, ever expose my children to that place. Your children are only mixing with wealthy, insular, privileged people who all collectively decided to ignore every single reality of life for the millions of people around them. These aren't good people. Do you cut your children off from their friends who have slaves in their homes? Do you cut them off from benefitting from cleaners / nannies / gardeners / whatever else I can't even imagine as a middle-class person leading a normal life? Or is it only your parents who you have an issue with here?

Honestly the people they see day to day will have far more influence on them than the grandparents they see every few months. I would work on that first. Though I guess it's all too late as you weren't actually here for opinions or a discussion anyway!

I agree as I have mentioned DH works for fcdo. He gets stationed everywhere and anywhere. I used to be stationed everywhere and anywhere too when I worked for fcdo before we had children.

I think you’re making lots of assumptions about us and what we do or tolerate.

Let’s agree I am disgusting for where I have chosen to live for work.

I honestly am not here to argue over the injustices of these places of course I am against injustices and inequalities.

I have been all across the world, for different purposes for work from Iraq to Kuwait to America to Israel to Lebanon to Canada etc we’ve been all over the world.

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JHound · 29/06/2026 11:28

PurpleThistle7 · 29/06/2026 11:20

So you already made the decision so what are you looking for here?

I think Dubai (and the whole area) is a disgusting place to live and a worse place to raise a family. As a Jewish woman with a gay mother I can't even make a list of all the reasons I wouldn't ever, ever expose my children to that place. Your children are only mixing with wealthy, insular, privileged people who all collectively decided to ignore every single reality of life for the millions of people around them. These aren't good people. Do you cut your children off from their friends who have slaves in their homes? Do you cut them off from benefitting from cleaners / nannies / gardeners / whatever else I can't even imagine as a middle-class person leading a normal life? Or is it only your parents who you have an issue with here?

Honestly the people they see day to day will have far more influence on them than the grandparents they see every few months. I would work on that first. Though I guess it's all too late as you weren't actually here for opinions or a discussion anyway!

Do you cut them off from benefitting from cleaners / nannies / gardeners / whatever else I can't even imagine as a middle-class person leading a normal life?

People also have nannies / cleaners / gardeners in the UK.

ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 12:18

I think there are quite a few assumptions being made about my family and why we're here.

I'm not arguing that living in Dubai is morally uncomplicated. It isn't and I've never suggested otherwise.

My husband works for the FCDO, and I also worked for the FCDO for a time. The reality is that our careers have often required us to live and work where we were needed not necessarily where we would have chosen ourselves.

Over the years that has included postings in places such as the US, Lebanon and even Yemen before the British Embassy Sana’- suspended its operation in around 2015. There isn't really a choice of destinations you go where the work requires you.

We're not in the Middle East because we were chasing a lavish lifestyle or because we wanted to "exploit" anyone. We're here because our work brought us here. Yes I wholeheartedly admit we are benefitting from the system. That doesn't mean we ignore or excuse the human rights issues that exist. If anything working in different parts of the world has made us more aware of how complicated these issues are.

When we first left the UK we were young and an opportunity came our way. Looking back could we have chosen different careers? Perhaps. But we both enjoy the work we do because it has real-world purpose, even if it sometimes means living in places that are politically complex or uncomfortable.

People are absolutely entitled to disagree with our choices, but I don't think it's fair to reduce our lives to "you moved to Dubai for luxury." That simply isn't us. I am not going to sit and say we aren’t privileged or that our children are not living in a privileged bubble. That can be true and I can also call out and limit contact with my parents for ignorant views and I see their views as racist. It doesn’t mean I am saying I am absolved of all the countries I have lived that certainly have issues but also my work in a way counteracts that. Some have said or maybe your parents are sad that your children don’t have British values …. First of all the work my husband does directly benefits the uk. People arguing that I am against the UK just because I don’t mind my children having friends from different countries or I wouldn’t care if my son brought home a partner from a different race/ethnicity/nationality. Or people excusing my parents behaviour for being elderly. DHs parents are older than my parents and are different. It’s not an age thing to me.

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ForCyanShaker · 29/06/2026 13:05

JHound · 29/06/2026 11:11

So when your parents say “the kids don’t look English” they mean “they are not white”.

And if they have no issue with them being surrounded by foreigners as long as they are white, well….

Essentially, yes.

There are other white children in my children's friendship group some are British and some aren't but my parents especially my mother never seem to question their race them in the same way.

In fact my mum simply assumes they're English or British without even asking. For example, my son's best friend is French. I once sent my mum a photo of the two of them together, and her response was, "Oh, he looks like a nice English boy." In reality, he's French born in France, with French parents.
That's why I don't see these as innocent or harmless mistakes. There seems to be an underlying assumption that if a child is white, they must be British, whereas children who aren't white are questioned or viewed differently.

I've tried explaining this to my mum, but she refuses to see the distinction

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