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AIBU to think my parents are ignorant & somewhat racist ???

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ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 20:02

DH and I are both mid 40s. We moved to Dubai nearly 18 years ago for jobs, what was meant to be temporary became permanent, and we’ve built our lives here. We are still British, still expats, but very settled.

Our children were both born in Singapore as we were there for work for a while too. They’re British citizens but have never lived in the UK. We visit 6 or so times a fear. Frequent enough for them to somewhat know England or at least know where DH and I are from/grew up. They’ve done all the sightseeing, London eye, Scotland, Wales, Cotswolds, Cornwall etc they’ve been UK

They attend an international school here which is academically strong and well regarded. It’s also affiliated in various ways with UK private schools and a lot of the teaching staff are British. It follows a fairly rigorous curriculum, and many students go on to UK universities.

But the reality of the school is that it’s very international, as you’d expect. Their friendship group includes children from England, Scotland, America, Barbados, Bermuda, South Africa, Australia, India and many other countries. That’s just their normal.

We recently sent my parents a school class photos because they asked for it. My parents’ reaction really shocked us. They focused entirely on the fact it “doesn’t look English” and that there are “so many non-English children” in the class. My mum said she found it upsetting and that it made her feel sad for my sons.

We’ve also had similar reactions to other things. We sent a photo from my eldest son’s birthday recently around 20 children at a party here. Again, instead of being happy, the comments were about how it must be “just rich international kids” and that this isn’t a normal upbringing, and that we should be coming back to England.

The same narrative keeps coming up: that the children are “barely English anymore”, don’t sound English, don’t understand England properly, and that we’re somehow denying them a “proper British childhood”.
Even the accents get mentioned, they don’t have traditional English accents, more of an ‘international school’ accent despite DH and I having very southern England accents , which apparently is another concern.

What I struggle with is that from our perspective, none of this is negative.
My children are happy, confident, well educated, and very comfortable around people from all backgrounds. They don’t really think in terms of nationality in the way I grew up doing. They just see friends.

They are very well travelled, have lived this international lifestyle all their lives, and are completely at ease in multicultural environments. I actually see that as a strength rather than something missing.

But my parents seem to view it as a loss, like they’ve ended up with grandchildren who are somehow less “British” than they expected, and that this needs correcting by moving back.

They’re also very keen for us to return to the UK permanently, offering to buy us a house in cobham, but we simply don’t want to. I grew up in cobham, I don’t want to live there now. We have a good life here, we feel safe, the children are thriving, and we’re not ready to leave.

I grew up in Surrey and part of me does remember how small and insular things could feel, and I don’t think I want to go back to that for my children.

I feel guilty because I understand they miss us and want us closer, especially as they get older. But I also feel frustrated that everything about our children’s lives here is being framed as “wrong” or “less British”.

First it was ‘when are you two going to have children’ now I don’t think they love our children. They’re not willing to accept them. They’re still young, we can move back to the England and they’ll get an English accent but we don’t want to and also why does it matter. There’s more things my parents have said. Another example that really pissed me off was along the lives of what if one of the boys bring home a girl that isn’t English. Why does it matter??? It’s a disgusting way to view the world.

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ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 18:58

Please do not come on this thread to make excuses for racism, prejudice or all in all snooty comments.

My parents can miss my children without being racist or making assumptions about their friends. I felt comfortable enough sharing photos with them but they have lost access to that. I have tried to educate them they refused. It’s not as if I have only given them one chance.

I do not condone such things and never will I make excuses for such things. I’m not going to sit and argue with someone condoning such things.

My parents have enough resources to educate themselves, they live in cobham, very wealthy village, they’re living in their house that’s worth over 1m it’s fully paid for. They got on holiday everywhere. There is not excuse for such ignorant views from them.

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saraclara · 28/06/2026 18:59

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 18:53

Just because you miss someone does not mean you need to make snooty racist comments.

I have given an example of my sons friend who is Sri Lankan , born in the uk, both his parents born in uk too, 3 of his grandparents born in the uk too, he speaks with an accent from a special part of south England. My children are not even born in England, haven’t lived in England. Yet my parents make an assumption based on their skin colour. It shows me how small minded they are. I’ve met children more British than my children, they might not be white like my children therefore they’ll have to endure prejudice and assumptions that my children won’t necessarily have to endure.

I will never excuse racism, prejudice, and all in all snooty comments from grown adults especially.

You've quoted me twice now, and I was very clear that their racism is unacceptable. You don't seem to have actually read my post fully, or recognised the main point.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 19:09

saraclara · 28/06/2026 18:59

You've quoted me twice now, and I was very clear that their racism is unacceptable. You don't seem to have actually read my post fully, or recognised the main point.

Maybe not but I’ll leave it at that.

I do not condone racism in the slightest nor will I EVER make excuses or reason with anyone who makes other assumptions or excuses. Sometimes it’s just racism no other hidden agenda.

You’re free to ignore my thread/post here on after.

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AsiaFlyer · 28/06/2026 19:15

@ForCyanShaker

I am not going to discuss racism with you if you think it should be tolerated.

You seem very pleased with yourself but you’re engaging with a fantasy position here.

Diosmonet · 28/06/2026 19:17

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 18:53

Just because you miss someone does not mean you need to make snooty racist comments.

I have given an example of my sons friend who is Sri Lankan , born in the uk, both his parents born in uk too, 3 of his grandparents born in the uk too, he speaks with an accent from a special part of south England. My children are not even born in England, haven’t lived in England. Yet my parents make an assumption based on their skin colour. It shows me how small minded they are. I’ve met children more British than my children, they might not be white like my children therefore they’ll have to endure prejudice and assumptions that my children won’t necessarily have to endure.

I will never excuse racism, prejudice, and all in all snooty comments from grown adults especially.

I know exactly what you mean OP.

Allowances can be made for clumsy comments. As long as it is coming from a place of well meaning curiosity, it is fine. I have encountered this and never ever take it the wrong way because I know there is no malice.

Your parents are making racist comments. There is no other meaning for a comment like what I would do if my son brought home someone not British/English etc it isn't subject to misinterpretation, it is clear.

They see them 6 times a year, so I don't buy some of the excuses being mooted here. My DB in London gets back to our home city maximum 3/4 times a year - and that's within same country.

The issues are your DP's OP. They are retired, possibly bored, and have consumed too much GB news.

AsiaFlyer · 28/06/2026 19:17

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 19:09

Maybe not but I’ll leave it at that.

I do not condone racism in the slightest nor will I EVER make excuses or reason with anyone who makes other assumptions or excuses. Sometimes it’s just racism no other hidden agenda.

You’re free to ignore my thread/post here on after.

Do you think you might share some character traits with your parents?

helpfulperson · 28/06/2026 19:20

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 18:44

Maybe so but my children aren’t going to grow up heating racist views. 3 sides to every story but my parents have been blatantly racist that is what my post was mainly about.

Not necessarily about my children’s upbringing. They see them 6 or so times a year. Lots of children who live in the same country as their maternal grandparents don’t even see them that many times.

I am not going to discuss racism with you if you think it should be tolerated. That’s my final response I’m regards to that. We can both have different views.

I'm sorry but you live in Dubai. Of course your children will grow up hearing racist views. You live in a racist country. Are you locking them in the compound ?

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 19:22

AsiaFlyer · 28/06/2026 19:15

@ForCyanShaker

I am not going to discuss racism with you if you think it should be tolerated.

You seem very pleased with yourself but you’re engaging with a fantasy position here.

I agree and maybe it is a fantasy with you but in regards to my parents I’m forever against racism. I didn’t come post on here to argue with people or win against different views on a situation that is to do with racism or be a martyr I simply disagree with the way my parents view the world from their 1m fully being off house and their £millions combined etc they have all the resources to not be ignorant and racist.

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ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 19:25

helpfulperson · 28/06/2026 19:20

I'm sorry but you live in Dubai. Of course your children will grow up hearing racist views. You live in a racist country. Are you locking them in the compound ?

Edited

I don’t want them hearing racist view from my parents nonetheless. They won’t not hear racist views but we won’t condone it from my parents. They can go see my siblings children, my siblings who also do not condone racism and are swiftly cutting them off. They can live their lives how they want free from their ‘woke’ children as they put it. Not our loss or our children loss. They’re surrounded by so many other family member. DH is one of 5, they all have children, his parents aren’t ignorant, I have cousins, nieces, nephews etc that the children are in contact with. They are not losing out on people in their 80s still thinking Britain is the superior culture and all else isn’t worth it.

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Gleba · 28/06/2026 19:26

You’re a bit of a preacher, OP. A bit patronising , too, IMO.

You don’t seem to like your parents much. If only your dad had been in the Foreign Office like your IL. Then they’d be sophisticated and travelled instead of the racist bigots they are.

Just go no contact and live your own life.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 19:27

AsiaFlyer · 28/06/2026 19:17

Do you think you might share some character traits with your parents?

Most likely.

I don’t get what you’re doing. You can actively ignore this thread we disagree that is more than okay you do or need to argree or have rebuttals with me over racism. Children or better yet no one deserves to be judged on their race/nationality/ethnicity

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ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 19:28

Gleba · 28/06/2026 19:26

You’re a bit of a preacher, OP. A bit patronising , too, IMO.

You don’t seem to like your parents much. If only your dad had been in the Foreign Office like your IL. Then they’d be sophisticated and travelled instead of the racist bigots they are.

Just go no contact and live your own life.

What’s patronising ?

I agree, if only my father was in the foreign office. He has travelled to over 80 countries in his life time. He’s not this sheltered man he’s very well educated. It sucks that he is willing to condone such views from my parent. Out of both of them my mother seems more vocal when her snooty views.

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thepariscrimefiles · 28/06/2026 19:42

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 14:02

Your parents are lonely. They are growing old and fear for their future. They are also sad that the England they knew as children is disappearing and your children will never know it.
Please try to understand and not condemn them. You are living the life you choose which is great. You don’t have to agree with anything they say, you could just accept them for who they are.

The England that OP's parents knew and still live in is very white indeed. OP's children are growing up and being educated in a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural environment at home and at school. Her parents should have kept their racist views to themselves but they didn't. They should be condemned as they said some dreadful things, including expressing their horror if one of their grandchildren brought home a partner that wasn't white British.

OP has decided that she won't tolerate and excuse their explicit racism and that is her choice to make.

ByRarePanda · 28/06/2026 19:45

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 19:28

What’s patronising ?

I agree, if only my father was in the foreign office. He has travelled to over 80 countries in his life time. He’s not this sheltered man he’s very well educated. It sucks that he is willing to condone such views from my parent. Out of both of them my mother seems more vocal when her snooty views.

What a strange post OP. Barely English at all …..

Come on OP, where are you really from, and what is your motive?

ByRarePanda · 28/06/2026 19:48

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 19:27

Most likely.

I don’t get what you’re doing. You can actively ignore this thread we disagree that is more than okay you do or need to argree or have rebuttals with me over racism. Children or better yet no one deserves to be judged on their race/nationality/ethnicity

Again, what kind of ‘English’ is this?

I doubt very much you are English at all. Which country are you actually from?

I don’t believe a word of any of your posts.

ByRarePanda · 28/06/2026 19:51

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 19:22

I agree and maybe it is a fantasy with you but in regards to my parents I’m forever against racism. I didn’t come post on here to argue with people or win against different views on a situation that is to do with racism or be a martyr I simply disagree with the way my parents view the world from their 1m fully being off house and their £millions combined etc they have all the resources to not be ignorant and racist.

What English person writes “maybe it is a fantasy with you…” in this context?

Come on OP, own up.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 19:53

ByRarePanda · 28/06/2026 19:45

What a strange post OP. Barely English at all …..

Come on OP, where are you really from, and what is your motive?

I haven't come here claiming to be English. I said I'm British. I was born in England, both of my parents were born in England, and so were my grandparents and great-grandparents. My nationality isn't really the point of my post, though.

I'm also not sure why having lived abroad means I must have some hidden motive. It seems perfectly reasonable that someone who grew up, was educated, and spent much of their life in England can also have their views shaped by experiences elsewhere. Seeing more of the world doesn't mean I dislike Britain or think England is somehow inferior. It simply gives me a broader perspective.

The issue I raised wasn't about rejecting Britain or English identity. It was about my parents making comments about children's skin colour and asking how I'd react if my son brought home someone who wasn't English, as though that would be a problem. Those aren't views I agree with and I don't think it's unreasonable to not agree with my parents or see the world the way they do.

People can feel sad that their family has moved abroad that's completely understandable.

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Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 19:55

thepariscrimefiles · 28/06/2026 19:42

The England that OP's parents knew and still live in is very white indeed. OP's children are growing up and being educated in a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural environment at home and at school. Her parents should have kept their racist views to themselves but they didn't. They should be condemned as they said some dreadful things, including expressing their horror if one of their grandchildren brought home a partner that wasn't white British.

OP has decided that she won't tolerate and excuse their explicit racism and that is her choice to make.

And that is very cruel of her.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 19:58

ByRarePanda · 28/06/2026 19:48

Again, what kind of ‘English’ is this?

I doubt very much you are English at all. Which country are you actually from?

I don’t believe a word of any of your posts.

I'm not really sure why my identity has become the focus of the discussion.

I know where I was born, where my parents were born, and where my grandparents were born. I never met my great grandparents but they too were born in England. I'm British but with that said I could be wrong about my own background.

Whether strangers on the internet choose to believe that doesn't really change the point I was making which was about my parents' comments regarding children's skin colour etc. That's what I posted about not my own heritage. I haven’t lived permanently in England since I was in my early 20s so I guess I’m not English.

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Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 19:58

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 14:13

What’s the England they know ? And why do my children have to know that England? Why can’t we choose a different path. DHs dad worked in the foreign office, was a diplomat. DH only spent his younger years in England then was abroad then came back for his exams before university. Still to this day he is friends with boys he knew at school in England albeit he’s never truly really lived in England. He has a close bit group of 8 guys and they’re all from England ie grown up there, always attended school in England, never lives anywhere else, one speak one language but him. He is still close enough they meet 2/3 times a year. Recently he went with some of them to America to watch England play in the World Cup, they spent time together then went their separate ways. Have already planned their next meet up in another country.

I shouldn’t have to accept my parents being racist towards children. Children who cannot defend themselves. Children who are actually more British than my children. One of my son’s closest friends is Sri Lankan, born in England, lived in England, both his parents born in England, all speak with a British accent. My children don’t even really have a British accent it’s RP but this friend of his an accent where you can pin point that he grew up in West Country for quite some time. Where as my children do not have an accent like that, you couldn’t pin point where they’re from, they’re only seen as British/English because they are white. They won’t experience racism or prejudice.

If my parents are that lonely they need to change their ways otherwise they simply lose access to my children. I don’t want my children thinking racism and ignorance is okay just because it’s family. They’ve been around the world and loved experiencing all the different cultures.

My parents aren’t the only parents we have. DHs parents, my cousins, my aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, my siblings. They don’t spew such nonsense. DHs parents are older than mine and are not ignorant or racist. Granted DHs father worked in the foreign office, got to travel all over the world for work and I guess that affects his views and how he sees the world. My parents on the other hand are just from Surrey.

Ok cut them off. Refuse to speak to them. That will teach them.
And I hope that one day your children do the same to you because they don't agree with something you have said.
Tolerance works in both directions.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:00

ByRarePanda · 28/06/2026 19:51

What English person writes “maybe it is a fantasy with you…” in this context?

Come on OP, own up.

I like to think I know my own heritage and background but I could be wrong

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thepariscrimefiles · 28/06/2026 20:00

saraclara · 28/06/2026 17:12

Granted DHs father worked in the foreign office, got to travel all over the world for work and I guess that affects his views and how he sees the world. My parents on the other hand are just from Surrey.

But that's the whole point, surely @ForCyanShaker ? You're judging your parents, who simply did not have that experience, and comparing them to someone whose entire professional life was spent abroad and was involved in those different cultures and nationalities. Of course that set of grandparents is going to be much more positive about your lifestyle. They understand it. They connect with you because of the shared lifestyle.

I'm not condoning your parents' racist comments at all, particularly the one about your son bringing a partner of another skin colour home. But you have to recognise that it's not that your in laws are massively better people because they're more understanding of your life choice. Your parents simply don't have the advantage of that experience, and they miss you and feel like they're losing the connection to their grandchildren because of how different their life is.

So yes, challenge the racist comments, but think again about going minimal contact. I think you need to have more empathy and not compare them to the other grandparents, who were so much better prepared for you having this lifestyle.

I don't think that people need to have been in the Diplomatic Service and have travelled all over the world to understand that the sort of racism that OP's mum is spouting is utterly unacceptable.

Her dad was a doctor working in a GP practice where the owner was Asian and her parents are wealthy and, I assume, well educated, living in a very affluent part of Surrey. They aren't stuck in a deprived area in the Midlands or the North with lots of racial tensions that often erupt into into outright racism.

There is no excuse at all for OP's mum's racist views.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:01

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 19:55

And that is very cruel of her.

Why is it cruel of me ?

My parents will not accept it if my child brings home someone they do not deem acceptable based on race/ethnicity/nationality. They’re already speculating and asking me what I would do in that scenario. I think that’s odd and maybe it’s cruel but I don’t want my children subjected to that type of thinking.

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