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AIBU to think my parents are ignorant & somewhat racist ???

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ForCyanShaker · 27/06/2026 20:02

DH and I are both mid 40s. We moved to Dubai nearly 18 years ago for jobs, what was meant to be temporary became permanent, and we’ve built our lives here. We are still British, still expats, but very settled.

Our children were both born in Singapore as we were there for work for a while too. They’re British citizens but have never lived in the UK. We visit 6 or so times a fear. Frequent enough for them to somewhat know England or at least know where DH and I are from/grew up. They’ve done all the sightseeing, London eye, Scotland, Wales, Cotswolds, Cornwall etc they’ve been UK

They attend an international school here which is academically strong and well regarded. It’s also affiliated in various ways with UK private schools and a lot of the teaching staff are British. It follows a fairly rigorous curriculum, and many students go on to UK universities.

But the reality of the school is that it’s very international, as you’d expect. Their friendship group includes children from England, Scotland, America, Barbados, Bermuda, South Africa, Australia, India and many other countries. That’s just their normal.

We recently sent my parents a school class photos because they asked for it. My parents’ reaction really shocked us. They focused entirely on the fact it “doesn’t look English” and that there are “so many non-English children” in the class. My mum said she found it upsetting and that it made her feel sad for my sons.

We’ve also had similar reactions to other things. We sent a photo from my eldest son’s birthday recently around 20 children at a party here. Again, instead of being happy, the comments were about how it must be “just rich international kids” and that this isn’t a normal upbringing, and that we should be coming back to England.

The same narrative keeps coming up: that the children are “barely English anymore”, don’t sound English, don’t understand England properly, and that we’re somehow denying them a “proper British childhood”.
Even the accents get mentioned, they don’t have traditional English accents, more of an ‘international school’ accent despite DH and I having very southern England accents , which apparently is another concern.

What I struggle with is that from our perspective, none of this is negative.
My children are happy, confident, well educated, and very comfortable around people from all backgrounds. They don’t really think in terms of nationality in the way I grew up doing. They just see friends.

They are very well travelled, have lived this international lifestyle all their lives, and are completely at ease in multicultural environments. I actually see that as a strength rather than something missing.

But my parents seem to view it as a loss, like they’ve ended up with grandchildren who are somehow less “British” than they expected, and that this needs correcting by moving back.

They’re also very keen for us to return to the UK permanently, offering to buy us a house in cobham, but we simply don’t want to. I grew up in cobham, I don’t want to live there now. We have a good life here, we feel safe, the children are thriving, and we’re not ready to leave.

I grew up in Surrey and part of me does remember how small and insular things could feel, and I don’t think I want to go back to that for my children.

I feel guilty because I understand they miss us and want us closer, especially as they get older. But I also feel frustrated that everything about our children’s lives here is being framed as “wrong” or “less British”.

First it was ‘when are you two going to have children’ now I don’t think they love our children. They’re not willing to accept them. They’re still young, we can move back to the England and they’ll get an English accent but we don’t want to and also why does it matter. There’s more things my parents have said. Another example that really pissed me off was along the lives of what if one of the boys bring home a girl that isn’t English. Why does it matter??? It’s a disgusting way to view the world.

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thepariscrimefiles · 28/06/2026 20:08

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 19:55

And that is very cruel of her.

No, it's not. Racists have a choice not to be racist. OP's mother has brought this on herself. She could have just told the OP that the school photo was lovely but instead she decided to comment about how many non-English children were in the photo. Her racism is an active choice. She should own it and accept the consequences.

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 20:12

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:01

Why is it cruel of me ?

My parents will not accept it if my child brings home someone they do not deem acceptable based on race/ethnicity/nationality. They’re already speculating and asking me what I would do in that scenario. I think that’s odd and maybe it’s cruel but I don’t want my children subjected to that type of thinking.

Surely, if they have asked a genuine question then you should give them a genuine answer. "It's Ok Mum, I'd be fine with whoever the kids bring home." Do you have any doubts that you would be fine with whatever scenario happens? It strikes me that if you are so defensive perhaps you are not quite so sure of yourself as you would like us to think. If you were secure in your views and confident that you have passed your views onto your children, it wouldn't matter what your parents said.

Magnificentkitteh · 28/06/2026 20:12

The way I see it is there's no excusing what your parents said, but your reaction has really escalated over the course of the thread. At the beginning you were asking aibu to think they are"somewhat " racist? As if there was some debate to be had. Now it's effectively "I have decided to cut them off with no further chances to redeem themselves and anyone who thinks this is hasty is a racist apologist". I for one certainly wasn't condoning letting their behaviour slide, but it sounded like you were until recently a close family and if this is all out of character then perhaps there's a chance to shake them out of it, which I imagined would be easier over a proper heart to heart where you pull them up on their awful comments, reinstate your boundaries, and find out what's really going on. But over the course of a few hours you've decided their irredeemable and a toxic presence for your children to be around, and are being quite aggressive to anyone who questions your approach. I know AIBU can be a bit of a brutal experience. Might be worth logging off for a bit and taking stock.

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 20:16

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:01

Why is it cruel of me ?

My parents will not accept it if my child brings home someone they do not deem acceptable based on race/ethnicity/nationality. They’re already speculating and asking me what I would do in that scenario. I think that’s odd and maybe it’s cruel but I don’t want my children subjected to that type of thinking.

How old are your children? How do you know your parents won't accept their intended? Lots of people surprise themselves by their reactions in these sort of circumsatnces.

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 28/06/2026 20:16

Those aren't views I agree with and I don't think it's unreasonable to not agree with my parents or see the world the way they do.

I completely agree with you. If my parents spoke in that way I would make it very clear to them that I find such views despicable and am teaching my children to condemn such views too. If my children heard their grandparents talking like this I would make it clear to the children how wrong I and their father think the DGs are.

What I wouldn't do is cut two very elderly people off completely because of their views. I don’t agree with the idea that "tolerance" means "tolerance of everything as long as I agree with it".

From what I can gather it’s not as if they are actually abusing people with different colour skins; they’re just living in a bubble, the modern multicultural world has passed them by and they yearn for their grandchildren to be brought up in the culture they themselves grew up in. I think you would find that a common feeling among very elderly people practically everywhere in the world.

I don’t really know why you started the thread, because you seem to have made up your mind already. You’ll do what you want to do, and congratulate yourself on your virtue, while "acknowledging" and "recognising" but conveniently ignoring the major human rights abuses of the society in which you choose to live.

Gleba · 28/06/2026 20:18

I agree that the OP sounds unhinged and all she wants to hear are comments bashing her parents. It’s weird to start a thread just so your parents get a thorough bashing from strangers. Whatever floats your boat your boat, OP. I think I ‘m beginning to like your parents despite all their shortcomings. They cannot be that bad if they managed to raise a daughter as open minded as you.

AsiaFlyer · 28/06/2026 20:19

thepariscrimefiles · 28/06/2026 20:08

No, it's not. Racists have a choice not to be racist. OP's mother has brought this on herself. She could have just told the OP that the school photo was lovely but instead she decided to comment about how many non-English children were in the photo. Her racism is an active choice. She should own it and accept the consequences.

Ok I’m slightly playing devils advocate here, but don’t you think your view is a bit parochial?

Having lived on four continents over many decades, the only places I’ve ever lived where commenting on the ethnicity of people in a school photo would be seen as wrong, let alone worthy of condemnation of one’s parents, is, possibly, London. (Possibly becuase even in London it feels like an extreme reaction).

This reaction would be seen with utter bemusement almost everywhere else.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:19

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 20:12

Surely, if they have asked a genuine question then you should give them a genuine answer. "It's Ok Mum, I'd be fine with whoever the kids bring home." Do you have any doubts that you would be fine with whatever scenario happens? It strikes me that if you are so defensive perhaps you are not quite so sure of yourself as you would like us to think. If you were secure in your views and confident that you have passed your views onto your children, it wouldn't matter what your parents said.

No I do not have any doubts my mother has brought it up in different ways multiple times.

I like to think I am secure in my views she doesn’t need to bring it up after DH and and I have answered the question once.

At first we did engage but after the 3rd and 4th time she asked the same question worded differently I found it racist. My children are 10 and under. I don’t think they’ll be introducing anyone as their partner for a few years.

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ByRarePanda · 28/06/2026 20:20

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 19:53

I haven't come here claiming to be English. I said I'm British. I was born in England, both of my parents were born in England, and so were my grandparents and great-grandparents. My nationality isn't really the point of my post, though.

I'm also not sure why having lived abroad means I must have some hidden motive. It seems perfectly reasonable that someone who grew up, was educated, and spent much of their life in England can also have their views shaped by experiences elsewhere. Seeing more of the world doesn't mean I dislike Britain or think England is somehow inferior. It simply gives me a broader perspective.

The issue I raised wasn't about rejecting Britain or English identity. It was about my parents making comments about children's skin colour and asking how I'd react if my son brought home someone who wasn't English, as though that would be a problem. Those aren't views I agree with and I don't think it's unreasonable to not agree with my parents or see the world the way they do.

People can feel sad that their family has moved abroad that's completely understandable.

What a strange first sentence within the context of everything you have said. As were the posts I highlighted with very poor English indeed.

You don’t come across with credibility as the character you created in your first post.

I don’t believe you at all.

Ponderingwindow · 28/06/2026 20:22

Your parent’s question about a non-British girlfriend might be racist or it might not. They might simply have legitimate concerns about your child developing a serious relationship with someone in a situation where permission to live in the same country long term will have significant barriers. They may be concerned about potential international child custody disputes.

You are raising your children in a place they have no immigration ties of their own. While it works for you, it may not work for them. When they become adults, they may face real problems.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:25

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 20:16

How old are your children? How do you know your parents won't accept their intended? Lots of people surprise themselves by their reactions in these sort of circumsatnces.

My children are all 10 and under. My eldest only turned 10 this year.

The reason I know this isn't a one-off misunderstanding is because we've had the same conversation with my parents several times. The very first time DH and I took time to try to understand them and not make assumptions ie calling them ignorant etc. We answered their questions the first time, but they didn't accept our response, so they kept returning to the subject in different ways on different occasions. Unfortunately, the questions became increasingly focused on race, nationality and ethnicity.

People can, of course change their views over time, and I genuinely hope they do. But at the moment I find it quite sad that they're creating hypothetical scenarios about children who are still very young and worrying about the race, nationality or ethnicity of someone they might one day choose to love. That simply isn't something I think should matter.

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ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:29

ByRarePanda · 28/06/2026 20:20

What a strange first sentence within the context of everything you have said. As were the posts I highlighted with very poor English indeed.

You don’t come across with credibility as the character you created in your first post.

I don’t believe you at all.

Fair enough you’re entitled to that view and to not believe me. I’m not here to convince/ prove how English/British I am

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ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:36

Ponderingwindow · 28/06/2026 20:22

Your parent’s question about a non-British girlfriend might be racist or it might not. They might simply have legitimate concerns about your child developing a serious relationship with someone in a situation where permission to live in the same country long term will have significant barriers. They may be concerned about potential international child custody disputes.

You are raising your children in a place they have no immigration ties of their own. While it works for you, it may not work for them. When they become adults, they may face real problems.

100% agree.

I know the way we're raising our children has its disadvantages. My husband grew up with a diplomat father, so his family moved all over the world. His youngest sister didn't live in England until she was 18 for university. Despite being British and only having British citizenship. She went back to England and has fitted there perfectly despite her upbringing, is married to a British guy, has friends who have only ever grown up in England. I do understand just because it worked out well for her doesn’t mean it will for my children but we have examples within our own family of how this lifestyle can work out in the future.

Overall, we do our best as parents like any other parents. We aren’t claiming to be the best parents at all. We've been fortunate to give our children a very privileged life and I hope they'll look back fondly on the experiences they've had.

They think it's amazing that their father speaks five languages and are always asking him to teach them. They love it when we're abroad and he can understand conversations around us or switch effortlessly between languages when speaking to people. Constantly asking him to teach them.

His childhood had its ups and downs. He returned to the UK to sit his exams, attended university here, and still regularly sees friends from England he's had since he was 15.

I'm not suggesting the way we're raising our children is the "best" way. Every family makes different choices. I just hope that, when they're adults they feel the opportunities and experiences they've had outweighed the disadvantages. Only time will tell.

I am very open to admit to my children (when they’re adult if they have issues with how we raised them) that maybe we could have done better, maybe we could have raised them in England. As I said time will tell. We want to raise, kind, open minded, adaptable, and respectful children (many other qualities included) and I hope we do just that. If they’re those things we will be more than happy

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Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 20:37

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:25

My children are all 10 and under. My eldest only turned 10 this year.

The reason I know this isn't a one-off misunderstanding is because we've had the same conversation with my parents several times. The very first time DH and I took time to try to understand them and not make assumptions ie calling them ignorant etc. We answered their questions the first time, but they didn't accept our response, so they kept returning to the subject in different ways on different occasions. Unfortunately, the questions became increasingly focused on race, nationality and ethnicity.

People can, of course change their views over time, and I genuinely hope they do. But at the moment I find it quite sad that they're creating hypothetical scenarios about children who are still very young and worrying about the race, nationality or ethnicity of someone they might one day choose to love. That simply isn't something I think should matter.

It matters to your parents. Have you considered that creating such scenarios in their head may be their way of coming to terms with what might happen in the future? I often muse about how I might behave if something happened. As a consequence I am ready when/if it does and I am far less likely to react in a negative way. You have ten, fifteen or maybe twenty years before your children are thinking about marriage. I'd like to bet that when the time comes, if they are still alive, your parents will be over the moon with their grandchildren's choice.

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 28/06/2026 20:39

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:25

My children are all 10 and under. My eldest only turned 10 this year.

The reason I know this isn't a one-off misunderstanding is because we've had the same conversation with my parents several times. The very first time DH and I took time to try to understand them and not make assumptions ie calling them ignorant etc. We answered their questions the first time, but they didn't accept our response, so they kept returning to the subject in different ways on different occasions. Unfortunately, the questions became increasingly focused on race, nationality and ethnicity.

People can, of course change their views over time, and I genuinely hope they do. But at the moment I find it quite sad that they're creating hypothetical scenarios about children who are still very young and worrying about the race, nationality or ethnicity of someone they might one day choose to love. That simply isn't something I think should matter.

How about the race, nationality or ethnicity of the house servants, manual workers etc. employed, I’m sure, by some of your friends or colleagues, or the families of your children's friends? Should that matter? Have your children noticed that some races are far more widely represented than others?

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 20:43

"Overall, we do our best as parents like any other parents"

There is is out of your own mouth OP. Parents do their best for their children. All parents apart from your own, that is.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:47

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 28/06/2026 20:39

How about the race, nationality or ethnicity of the house servants, manual workers etc. employed, I’m sure, by some of your friends or colleagues, or the families of your children's friends? Should that matter? Have your children noticed that some races are far more widely represented than others?

Defiantly agree. Of course it should matter ? I fear you’re making assumptions on us. We know where we live isn’t the beacon of morality and are aware of the atrocious acts taking place. It is something we have thought about a great deal. We might not have servants etc but we have benefitted within this system and are well aware of that can acknowledge that.

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Cailleach1 · 28/06/2026 20:50

Maybe they are equally concerned that their grandchildren might pick up views in a country operating under the exploitation of workers via modern slavery. They only see them six times a year. Most of the time, you are raising your kiddies are in a truly racist, and feudal authoritarian state. One where lives are fairly disposable, as are human rights.

Even if the children are in an ‘ex pat’ enclave, I suspect they are exposed to, and pick up on attitudes towards, and treatment of, workers from south east Asia and other places.

There may just be an element of ‘Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but don't notice the log in your own?’. Maybe concentrating on your parents takes away the focus on how the children are probably being exposed to much worse on account of where you’re raising them. Although I can see how tempting it is to raise a halo over your own head, it may not be quite so simple as you’re so good, and your parents are truly wicked. Much as that may be a convenient narrative.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:50

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 20:43

"Overall, we do our best as parents like any other parents"

There is is out of your own mouth OP. Parents do their best for their children. All parents apart from your own, that is.

I haven’t said my parents do not do the best for my siblings and I. All parents do the very best for their children me ‘like any other parents’ within that I do include my parents.

I know they did their very best I had a very great and privileged childhood I love my parents it doesn’t mean I cannot call our their beliefs same way anyone can call out my beliefs. Same way they can disagree with me. I am allowed to have opinions and criticise and challenge theirs same way they can with my beliefs.

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Namechangedforgoodreasons · 28/06/2026 20:52

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:47

Defiantly agree. Of course it should matter ? I fear you’re making assumptions on us. We know where we live isn’t the beacon of morality and are aware of the atrocious acts taking place. It is something we have thought about a great deal. We might not have servants etc but we have benefitted within this system and are well aware of that can acknowledge that.

Fine, but to me it then seems highly hypocritical for you to penalise your very elderly parents for their views. They say things that to you (and me) seem unacceptable, but you are knowingly and deliberately benefiting from a system that puts racism into practice.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:53

Cailleach1 · 28/06/2026 20:50

Maybe they are equally concerned that their grandchildren might pick up views in a country operating under the exploitation of workers via modern slavery. They only see them six times a year. Most of the time, you are raising your kiddies are in a truly racist, and feudal authoritarian state. One where lives are fairly disposable, as are human rights.

Even if the children are in an ‘ex pat’ enclave, I suspect they are exposed to, and pick up on attitudes towards, and treatment of, workers from south east Asia and other places.

There may just be an element of ‘Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but don't notice the log in your own?’. Maybe concentrating on your parents takes away the focus on how the children are probably being exposed to much worse on account of where you’re raising them. Although I can see how tempting it is to raise a halo over your own head, it may not be quite so simple as you’re so good, and your parents are truly wicked. Much as that may be a convenient narrative.

Yes I agree maybe they are worried about that. They’ve never framed it that way though but I do not think constantly (multiple occasions) asking me and my husband what we could do if our children brought home someone who isn’t English is then worrying about human rights but I could very well be wrong.

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Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 20:56

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:50

I haven’t said my parents do not do the best for my siblings and I. All parents do the very best for their children me ‘like any other parents’ within that I do include my parents.

I know they did their very best I had a very great and privileged childhood I love my parents it doesn’t mean I cannot call our their beliefs same way anyone can call out my beliefs. Same way they can disagree with me. I am allowed to have opinions and criticise and challenge theirs same way they can with my beliefs.

But you are not simply criticising and challenging their beliefs, are you? You are condemning them for having their beliefs because you do not agree with them. That is very different.

ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:56

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 28/06/2026 20:52

Fine, but to me it then seems highly hypocritical for you to penalise your very elderly parents for their views. They say things that to you (and me) seem unacceptable, but you are knowingly and deliberately benefiting from a system that puts racism into practice.

I agree two things can coexist. I can benefit from this system within the place I live in but I can also criticise and call out their comments. I am not here claiming I am perfect you’ve rightly pointed out the system within I live in. It does not mean I can’t have my own opinions or be worried and upset at their beliefs in terms of who my children (ages 10 and under) bring home. All these hypothetical scenarios they’re having about the race/ethnicity/nationality of my young children’s future partners I feel as though I can challenge and criticise.

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ForCyanShaker · 28/06/2026 20:57

Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 20:56

But you are not simply criticising and challenging their beliefs, are you? You are condemning them for having their beliefs because you do not agree with them. That is very different.

I feel as though I can condemn my parents same way anyone can condemn me or the way I bring up my children. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion I have said they can have their beliefs I choose not to engage in hypotheticals about the race, ethnicity or nationality of my children future partner. Bear in mind my children are 10 and under. They haven’t even had partners yet.

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Nothavingagoodvalentinesday · 28/06/2026 21:00

"They haven’t even had partners yet"
Which is why it is such a silly thing for you to be getting het up about.

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