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To feel really worried about climate change in this heatwave

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Fulbe · 23/06/2026 22:28

This heatwave has been caused by climate change but there seems to be hardly any discussion about this at all. It seems that people are focused so much on getting air con or massive paddling/ swimming pools without thinking how that might be actually contributing to the problem. People outside the school gates idling their engines to keep their air con turned on whilst creating more pollution.

I think I remember reading somewhere that we've released 6 million years' worth of CO2 in the past 150 years. Something needs to stop but consumption and car use seem to be increasing.

Am I the only one to be concerned about this and that we're just slipping into a future of more dangerous heatwaves?

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Wingedbat · 25/06/2026 20:34

HoppityBun · 25/06/2026 13:12

I am not going to get into a debate about this but no, it’s not necessary to plough to suppress weeds. There’s plenty of literature on this.

Certainly you don’t just take from the soil. There are many ways to avoid doing that without using animals. I appreciate if that’s the way you do things, that’s what you believe is the only way.

The number of zero till farms is small in the UK, I grant you. I’m not saying you’re mistaken and I’m not going to try to persuade you because you do what you do. There are other ways.

Because you’re arguing with someone who has actual decades of lived experience, who attends multiple talks and lectures a year, and is a 5th generation farmer who has the benefits of seeing results over a long time.

the main way of handling weeds in no till farms is upping pesticides, and that is absolutely not a good thing. Which is why majority of farms use less ploughing but still need some to balance pesticides use.

the uk also has very wet conditions so some areas are completely unsuitable due to soil compaction (a little is good, too much is not)

we already use cover crops over winter and rotate in different crops, it’s increasingly obvious that we need to introduce grazing animals.

what other ways do you suggest? The uk was full of grazing animals and vast grasslands before humans dominated.

Wingedbat · 25/06/2026 20:41

ticktickticktickBOOM · 25/06/2026 13:59

I'd happily work on an organic farm weeding and composting for the minumum wage.

Sadly no farmer seems to employ labourers for this purpose anymore.

I'd feel really satisfied that I was helping the environment and I could survive on minimum wage if I had the feel good factor of a meaningful job.

Anyone in East Sussex/Kent want me? Organic growers only!

You might be but no one else is 🤣 the profits in farming are so low there’s no money to pay people. And getting people to weed for nothing might not go down well with people.

farmers used to get subsidies but they are pretty much gone. (Many people didn’t like the fact that farmers got subsidies, but it comes down to this: if farmers are driven only by profit, that drives food quality down, if farmers are subsidised to grow food, it protects food quality and practices. This is why they started them as the government saw this, now they don’t and just want to import food for cheap)

ticktickticktickBOOM · 25/06/2026 21:05

MichaelmasDaisiesAndAutumSunset · 25/06/2026 20:26

And where have I said differently? You seem to have grabbed on to my posts - which were in response to a different poster - in an extremely simplistic way. I was not saying incubators accounted for an insane drop in infant mortality (though note UNICEF say this: “Nearly half of all under-five deaths in 2023 occurred within the first 28 days of life, underscoring the heightened vulnerability of newborns and the need for greater investment in targeted interventions during this critical period”, so they may in fact be more significant than you or I would have considered). Nor am I saying we should never move forward. We need a new revolution - but that isn’t happening - because the renewables we are heavily into have their own environmental impact and the computer age just relies on fuel, at its base. What that is is probably our most “urgent” problem as things stand.

Erm, no.

Your very long post about incubators was in response to my brief post saying that the reduction in infant mortality was due to advancements in science, medicine and nursing.

I disagreed with your statement about incubators being the main driver that drastically reduced infant mortality in the 1950's and informed you that this reduction, at this point in time, was in fact due to the mass use of antibiotics.

You then went on to describe in detail how antibiotics would never have had the impact they did without the industrial processes developed to test, mass produce and administer them. I don't disagree with this part.

I just don't see how this very detailed and fascinating description of the co-evolution of industry and medicine in the last century has much to do with how we now tackle climate change.

anotherside · 25/06/2026 22:10

Every time I hear the “But China/the US/Russia/India…” argument I always think it’s the lamest, laziest excuse for inaction. We can argue all year about historical emissions, or the geographical/cultural/economic etc reasons & excuses for Country X emissions vs Country Y. And we’d probably get no where but a blame game.

But here’s what we do know - the richest global 1% are responsible for 15%+ of total emissions. And the top 10% globally are responsible for around 50%.

Fundamentally global climate change isn’t about this country or that country - it’s about “rich/well off peoples behaviour”. A family owning two cars. Taking 2 or 3 flights a year. Dropping £1000 a year on birthdays and Christmas. Owning a large house … basically all the stuff that virtually every citizen in the world has been conditioned to aspire to the last 100+ years. The 100 million rich Chinese citizen are not diffent to the 200 million rich Americans. And no different ti the 150 million rich Europeans. What values do they share? Enjoying the good life. Acquiring goods. Showing one’s status. That’s why basically not a single big/powerful politician, not just in the west but everywhere, has the balls to talk like most of the climate scientists. Because being outspoken about climate change simply isn’t compatible with economic growth, personal wealth and mass consumerism.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 25/06/2026 22:23

Has anyone tried asking ChatGPT how to solve climate change? Might be worth a shot.

crackofdoom · 25/06/2026 22:32

I can't bear to read the full thread, but have we had a full house yet?

There's no point in doing anything because China

The planes would fly whether I did or not

Don't you know how many rare precious minerals are mined for these terrible EVs?

No point in doing anything, it's already too late

It was hotter than this in 1976!

Humans are a cancer on the planet

I'm alright (Jack), because I recycle

Climate change is all a myth, this is a natural cycle

Something something air freighted avocadoes

What have I missed?

The same old fallacies and misinformation, pumped out on every single fucking thread. On every thread they get soundly debunked, and then whoosh! Next thread here they are back again!

Seriously people, if you're not a bot and you've just trotted out one of these embarrassing lines, get a grip and go and do some reading- and I mean proper sources, not conspiraloons on YouTube.

Otherwise, what can we do? Probably the most useful thing we can do is to put pressure on our elected representatives- and vote with the climate crisis in mind at elections. Countering misinformation is also a good one. Educating ourselves. Direct action, if that's your bag.

I'm deliberately not mentioning lifestyle changes, because far too much emphasis is put on individual rather than collective action, and that's deliberate. Did you know that the concept of the carbon footprint was invented by BP? They rightly surmised that if people were fretting over bamboo toothbrushes their attention would be diverted from the COLOSSAL GLOBAL CORPORATIONS MAKING BILLIONS FROM SPAFFING MEGATONNES OF CO2 INTO THE FUCKING ATMOSPHERE!!

crackofdoom · 25/06/2026 22:38

Thalafor · 25/06/2026 17:53

You can build renewables. I'm fine with that. Just don't increase energy costs and prices in the UK. When energy bills rise the poor suffer

Apparently our electricity prices are about a third lower than they would have been already thanks to renewable energy.

(Yes, they are high. But would have been even higher had we had to rely more on gas in recent years)

(Source: Grauniad)

Mischance · 25/06/2026 22:46

Thalafor · 25/06/2026 16:47

What would your solution be then? What would you say to Russia, India, china and the USA?

I would say: "Follow our example" .... all we need to do is give them the example to follow.

LobeliaBaggins · 25/06/2026 22:52

Mischance · 25/06/2026 22:46

I would say: "Follow our example" .... all we need to do is give them the example to follow.

Most people in India don't have even one car in a family, or ever fly, or eat mych meat.
What example do you want them to follow?

SoMuchToBits · 25/06/2026 23:05

@crackofdoom you are so right about colossal global corporations. Whether it is oil or "food" or plastic shite etc...

Ilikeanicecupofteainthemorning · 25/06/2026 23:12

omg the bloody bamboo toothbrushes
and while I take the point about carbon footprints, I think it was in How Bad are Bananas he said he wanted people to have a feel for what were likely to be serious impactful decisions (eg have a child or not, eat meat or not) vs trivial ones (eg bamboo toothbrushes)

Thalafor · 26/06/2026 00:12

Mischance · 25/06/2026 22:46

I would say: "Follow our example" .... all we need to do is give them the example to follow.

And why would they just follow it and intentionally sabotage their economy?

ticktickticktickBOOM · 26/06/2026 00:26

Thalafor · 26/06/2026 00:12

And why would they just follow it and intentionally sabotage their economy?

Any economy that is dependent on fossil fuels, consumerism and mass waste production is going to have to change.

PinkBlueOrangeGreen · 26/06/2026 07:04

Chocolatefreak · 25/06/2026 16:31

This is the most damaging issue. No-one will do anything because 'my small changes are insignificant'. If that were the case, no-one would vote, no-one would bother putting rubbish in the bin, no-one would ever behave with a social conscience.

It is a collective effort. Of course we need to stop wars and using fossil fuels, but we can also achieve influence by adapting our lifestyles, changing consumer habits, joining environmental movements.

This. We all have a part in making the changes needed.

PinkBlueOrangeGreen · 26/06/2026 07:09

Thalafor · 25/06/2026 17:40

A global effort to make "green" energy cheaper and more plentifully or a effort to deindustrialise and live like hermits?

If climate change gets worse, we won't be able to go on living the lifestyle we have now. We won't be flying on foreign holidays, society will have broken down by then. This isn't business as usual, doing nothing doesn't mean that things will stay the same. This is the new outlook on climate change from sceptics btw, the whole there's nothing we can do so why try. We have to try, we depend on nature. None of us are going to make it if nature fails.

PinkBlueOrangeGreen · 26/06/2026 07:13

Thalafor · 25/06/2026 17:53

You can build renewables. I'm fine with that. Just don't increase energy costs and prices in the UK. When energy bills rise the poor suffer

The poor will also suffer if we have crop failures and food prices skyrocket. We need to think of the bigger picture. Net zero isn't where all the money is going, billionaires and large corporations are hoovering it all up. Wealth inequality is rising, in an economy that isn't growing much, where is the money coming from? The answer is that it is coming from the rest of us.

Whyohwhy1973 · 26/06/2026 07:54

PinkBlueOrangeGreen · 26/06/2026 07:04

This. We all have a part in making the changes needed.

Yeah but think about all the bell-ends up and down the country. The entitled school runners in their huge cars, the young lads racing round estates in souped up cars, the people ripping out hedges to build brick walls and laying artificial grass, property developers building on any piece of land they can get planning for...small examples of the mind set of so many people. They think only of themselves and won't give the slightest shit about the greater good.

Whyohwhy1973 · 26/06/2026 07:57

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 25/06/2026 22:23

Has anyone tried asking ChatGPT how to solve climate change? Might be worth a shot.

No, no one has...

Mischance · 26/06/2026 08:08

LobeliaBaggins · 25/06/2026 22:52

Most people in India don't have even one car in a family, or ever fly, or eat mych meat.
What example do you want them to follow?

Government taking on board the need to enact policies intended to improve climate change. Any country could do this.

6ate9 · 26/06/2026 08:09

Whyohwhy1973 · 26/06/2026 07:54

Yeah but think about all the bell-ends up and down the country. The entitled school runners in their huge cars, the young lads racing round estates in souped up cars, the people ripping out hedges to build brick walls and laying artificial grass, property developers building on any piece of land they can get planning for...small examples of the mind set of so many people. They think only of themselves and won't give the slightest shit about the greater good.

Greed and I think human intelligence has peaked and has begun to decline!!!

frozendaisy · 26/06/2026 10:15

How long until malaria is widespread across Europe?

Will people care then?

GrantMyWishes · 26/06/2026 11:03

ticktickticktickBOOM · 25/06/2026 14:13

Thanks for the nudge. I have written to my MP and asked if they support the work of Chris Hinchliffe on his environmental campaigns, and what they would be willing to do to support cooling initiatives locally and nationally.

We all need to plant these seeds and get our MP's refocused on sustainability, rather than 'grow grow grow the economy'.

WELL DONE 'ticktickticktickBOOM'! If only more of the people posting would just take a few minutes to do SOMETHING to help, it would all add up, but as I said in my post, people seem happier spending hours moaning about the situation, but it's all too much trouble to get involved, and so they leave it to others. The trouble is, that there are far too many moaners, and not nearly enough 'do'ers', and so the world as we know it, WILL eventually be destroyed, along with our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren, which is an horrendous thought, but of course, people don't think it's actually going to happen to them and theirs. It's called 'FIDDLING WHILE ROME BURNS'!

ticktickticktickBOOM · 26/06/2026 11:58

GrantMyWishes · 26/06/2026 11:03

WELL DONE 'ticktickticktickBOOM'! If only more of the people posting would just take a few minutes to do SOMETHING to help, it would all add up, but as I said in my post, people seem happier spending hours moaning about the situation, but it's all too much trouble to get involved, and so they leave it to others. The trouble is, that there are far too many moaners, and not nearly enough 'do'ers', and so the world as we know it, WILL eventually be destroyed, along with our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren, which is an horrendous thought, but of course, people don't think it's actually going to happen to them and theirs. It's called 'FIDDLING WHILE ROME BURNS'!

I agree.

It literally took me 30 seconds to find my local MP's email address, and 30 seconds to write a quick message and send.

A tip though for anyone doing this for the first time like me (I didn't know this until I got the autoreply email): include your name and postal address in the email as MP's can only listen and act upon the wishes of their local constituents. They need your name and address so they can work on your behalf.

Bikenutz · 26/06/2026 18:09

PinkBlueOrangeGreen · 26/06/2026 07:09

If climate change gets worse, we won't be able to go on living the lifestyle we have now. We won't be flying on foreign holidays, society will have broken down by then. This isn't business as usual, doing nothing doesn't mean that things will stay the same. This is the new outlook on climate change from sceptics btw, the whole there's nothing we can do so why try. We have to try, we depend on nature. None of us are going to make it if nature fails.

How does green energy equate to deindustrialising? My workplace is exporting energy from solar back to the grid at the moment!

Thalafor · 26/06/2026 18:24

Bikenutz · 26/06/2026 18:09

How does green energy equate to deindustrialising? My workplace is exporting energy from solar back to the grid at the moment!

Instead of making green energy cheap and plentiful she just wants us to stop doing things