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Childbirth: "a disgusting moment"

205 replies

bojo7 · Today 16:53

Cannot see this anywhere else.

Footballer Jeremy Doku plans to leave his Belgium team mates to be at the birth of his first child.

From BBC website:
However, Doku's plan to leave the USA and return home has brought fierce criticism from L'Equipe channel presenter France Pierron, who labelled a father "completely useless" at the time of their child's birth.
"The World Cup is an incredible joy," she said in a message posted to the Facebook page of French sports publication L'Equipe.
"There are hundreds of footballers who would kill to be in your shoes. It might never happen again in your life.
"You're living out a childhood dream, yet you're going to walk away from it all to attend the birth of your child - a disgusting moment, if you'll pardon the expression, where the dad is completely useless."

OP posts:
AliceMcK · Today 18:49

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · Today 16:55

To be fair, while I was in labour exDH was completely useless.

Anyone else?

My DH was the only person I could stand touching me, he did everything I needed during all 3 very different births including not letting go of our baby when I was too unwell to hold her which he promised me before she was born he would do, he sat for hours holding her until I was able to. He was the only person I wanted there, I’d have been devastated if he had missed any of the births.

Differentforgirls · Today 18:49

DontBuyAnotherBook · Today 18:27

Well we are hoping for number three so he better stay upright if it happens lol.

😂

Kalanthe · Today 18:49

Waitingfordoggo · Today 18:43

You reckon he’ll regret being at the birth of his child? I wouldn’t have thought so.

I’ve explained it a few comments up, I misread the post and I thought the journalist who said it was male. I was saying this about the journalist not the dad

Moveoverdarlin · Today 18:50

I totally agree with her.

Waitingfordoggo · Today 18:51

6ate9 · Today 18:45

I think he’d regret not winning the World Cup with his team!!!!

Hard to know, I guess! If they did win and he wasn’t there for it, I expect he’d be pretty gutted. But I also think if he chose to stay and play and missed the birth, he’d be very likely to regret that. I also assume he will have fewer opportunities to be at the birth of his children than to be part of a winning team (unless he and his wife plan to have loads of kids. But then how would it feel to be at some of the births but not all?)

My DH was great when I was giving birth apart from when he put a Jack Johnson CD on - I wouldn’t have liked to have done it without him.

Topseyt123 · Today 18:51

Differentforgirls · Today 17:38

And when they get told he missed their birth to be there?

So - absolutely nothing at all.

I was born in the sixties when few men attended the births of their children. My Dad wasn't at the births of me or my sister. He most certainly was a lovely, supportive Dad and husband and it wouldn't occur to me to think any less of him for not being there.

My parents had a very strong marriage that lasted 63 years (until his death 5 years ago).

Regarding the comments, they were ill-judged and a sticky wicket but not something that I can personally really be bothered getting het up over.

For the record, my own DH was at the births of all three of our DDs. He was very comforting and encouraging for me. I am glad he was there, but had he had the chance to play in the World Cup (which is academic as it would never have happened) I would have encouraged him to do that and understood if he had.

Waitingfordoggo · Today 18:51

Ah, sorry @Kalanthe, I missed that.

Moveoverdarlin · Today 18:51

Like Peter Crouch said ‘Every bloke has kids but very few can get to say they played in a World Cup’.

Iheartmysmart · Today 18:52

Both my dad and the family Labrador were at my birth as the midwife didn’t get there on time. Apparently the dog was more helpful.

I was in two minds about having DH (now ex-DH) there when DS was born. He was a bit rubbish throughout my pregnancy and refused to leave work when I asked him to come home and take me to the hospital as I was struggling to cope with the contractions by myself. He complained he was hungry and the sofa was uncomfortable when we were in the delivery room but did have the good grace to look a little concerned when I was rushed off for an emergency c-section!

He was a bit of a rubbish dad as well which was particularly galling as I wasn’t overly bothered about kids, he was the one who was far more keen.

katepilar · Today 18:53

Thats pretty disguasting comment to make.

6ate9 · Today 18:55

Differentforgirls · Today 17:38

And when they get told he missed their birth to be there?

I think the child would be more excited that their dad had played in the World Cup. My dad missed my birth. He was still a good father!!!

Redheadedstepchild · Today 18:57

The exact word in French that she used was, "Dégueulasse." so I would say that, "Disgusting" is a pretty accurate translation.

I looked her up on youtube and instagram and her programme on L'Equippe does seem to be one of those pointless shouting match ones. The format is that Pierron says something outrageous, then everyone pretends to be shocked and tries to calm her down then off she goes again until someone else snaps at her, having lost patience and round and round it goes.

Jeremy Doku's wife, Shireen, isn't due until early July anyway so there's a chance that Belgium will be knocked out by then. And he's not playing in the next game against Iran anyway because he's injured.

Still. We all know who France Pierron is now. No publicity is bad publicity and all that. Although, "French person says something rude" as a headline is hardly très choquant.

Porcupinepotato · Today 18:57

Belgiums squad was announced in May with their Manager obviously aware this was always going to happen. They don’t just send 11 players to the tournament, it’s just the same situation as him being on the bench and not playing. Think of it as him giving another player the opportunity to play a match that they might otherwise have had to just watch from the sidelines. Good for him I say

edwinbear · Today 18:58

DH was bloody useless at DC1’s birth. We both decided when I was pregnant with DC2 that he’d stay at home with DC1 and I’d give birth with an independent midwife supporting me instead. She was amazing and the whole experience was much improved for not have DH there. He’s a great dad and husband, just a shit birthing partner.

SapphireSeptember · Today 18:58

Friendlygingercat · Today 17:36

It is good for men to witness the extent to which women suffer the pain and messy degradation of childbirth and being reduced to the level of an animal. It is a reminder to them of what they owe to women and of how lightly they escape. It is fundamentally wrong that one half of humanity should suffer to bring the children of all humanity into being. The sooner we perfect ectogenesis (the process of growing an organism, such as an embryo or fetus, in an artificial environment outside of a natural womb) and make it available to all women the better.

That'll never happen, I hope. It sounds utterly dystopian.
You're completely ignoring all the bonding that happens in utero as well.

OneFineDay22 · Today 18:59

DontBuyAnotherBook · Today 18:39

Childbirth is horrible. Shame you can't just get knocked out for the duration of it.

The only person I know who was unconscious for the birth of her child (early 80s by c-section) feels utterly robbed of the experience other mothers have.

BettyBoh · Today 18:59

There is a minority group of French society who feel that way about childbirth. Some mothers have corrective surgery booked in at the sane time as a Caesarian. They find breastfeeding weird etc, formula and pre-bottled milk are very popular.

OneFineDay22 · Today 19:02

Ime, my mum was useless - much too worried about birth complications and hated seeing me in pain. Would have been better if she’d been unaware of me being in labour.

My DH advocated for me against horrendous midwives who just wanted to do things to make their jobs easier instead of what would be best for me or the baby. I’m so glad he was there.

SapphireSeptember · Today 19:03

@Friendlygingercat Oh, and I had a lovely calm c section. Didn't feel like an animal, I didn't consider it an emergency but I had pre eclampsia and didn't want to be induced.

Waitingfordoggo · Today 19:06

‘Reduced to the level of an animal’ is a strange take given that we are, in fact, animals. Just chimps with clothes and language really.

viques · Today 19:13

Laiste · Today 16:59

I haven't voted as you haven't said where you stand OP.

Do you vote in local and national elections?😃

DJKATIE · Today 19:16

Being there for the birth of your child is more important and precious than anything

YourShyLion · Today 19:16

He's not wrong tbf.

ChateauMargaux · Today 19:17

TigTails · Today 17:11

Was this “disgusting moment” comment originally made in French and possibly been lost in translation slightly?

C'est un moment dégueulasse où le papa ne sert à rien
Not sure there is any risk of misinterpreting that!!!

(Sorry about text size...copied from a belgian sports website interestingly called DHnet!)

Newyearawaits · Today 19:18

This post reminds me why I don't do social media