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Childbirth: "a disgusting moment"

187 replies

bojo7 · Today 16:53

Cannot see this anywhere else.

Footballer Jeremy Doku plans to leave his Belgium team mates to be at the birth of his first child.

From BBC website:
However, Doku's plan to leave the USA and return home has brought fierce criticism from L'Equipe channel presenter France Pierron, who labelled a father "completely useless" at the time of their child's birth.
"The World Cup is an incredible joy," she said in a message posted to the Facebook page of French sports publication L'Equipe.
"There are hundreds of footballers who would kill to be in your shoes. It might never happen again in your life.
"You're living out a childhood dream, yet you're going to walk away from it all to attend the birth of your child - a disgusting moment, if you'll pardon the expression, where the dad is completely useless."

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DontBuyAnotherBook · Today 18:12

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · Today 16:55

To be fair, while I was in labour exDH was completely useless.

Anyone else?

My DH nearly fainted both times. It was a tad annoying. He couldn't help it though.

Differentforgirls · Today 18:13

6ate9 · Today 18:06

Throughout history it has been predominantly women who support women giving birth. It’s only been since the 1960s that men have started being at the birth of their children.

Yes. Which is why the children whose dads were there, have a stronger bond with their fathers than the poor souls in the past who didn't give a flying one.

SamClamsDisco · Today 18:13

What's the AIBU here?

Differentforgirls · Today 18:14

Pssedoffathis · Today 18:07

I would have told him to go and play in the world cup. Childbirth is pretty gross tbh. Its all body fluids and screaming. Its not exactly stylish or fancy like coffee in a cafe on the champs elesses

I feel so sorry for you x

Differentforgirls · Today 18:17

DontBuyAnotherBook · Today 18:12

My DH nearly fainted both times. It was a tad annoying. He couldn't help it though.

"A tad" 😂Thank you. That's light relief on this thread.x

elliejjtiny · Today 18:19

I'm glad my dh was there for all my births. I felt really guilty with dc5 though. He had gone to drop dc3 and dc4 off and the midwives turned up on the antenatal ward, put a cannula in my arm and said it's time to go to labour ward to be induced. I panicked, phoned dh from the labour ward and told him to come right now, and no he couldn't have his dinner first. He rushed over and they didn't actually start the induction until over 3 hours later.

OtterLovesItsRock · Today 18:20

bumptybum · Today 18:06

Really?
and when things start going tits up and the baby gets stuck and their heart rate is dropping and you are exhausted and the pain is unbearable And you’re having to make decisions that you haven’t got any cognitive function to use to make them, You would be lifted up by the knowledge that your partner was off playing football at the World Cup?

I am assuming my support network is with me.

Nobody in my family has had a birth like that, which is genetically and socially lucky.

Yes, I would feel he was excelling in one way and I was excelling in another.

BIossomtoes · Today 18:20

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · Today 16:55

To be fair, while I was in labour exDH was completely useless.

Anyone else?

Mine too. His presence was pointless.

Kalanthe · Today 18:21

CustardySergeant · Today 18:11

Can you explain this comment please? You think he shouldn't be at the birth of his child? Will regret it?

Sorry I was being dumb and misread it, I thought it was a male journalist who said it. I can’t even comprehend a woman saying something like that.

People on deathbed tend to say that they wish they had spent more time with their families and worked less to be there when their children were little. Career and achievements seem more important when you’re young, but once you’re older you realise life is about spending time with the people you love

6ate9 · Today 18:21

Differentforgirls · Today 18:07

Then those men are complete losers and should be chucked. Wimps. What kind of Dad will they be if they can't even be bothered being there the day they come into the world?

Shit ones.

"prefer not to attend but feel they have to"

At the birth of their baby.

And she should have asked him?

OMG.

Why is it okay for some women to just assume their partners will be at the birth? Some men don’t want to be at the birth. It doesn’t mean they won’t be a good father. Some women prefer to be supported by other women. There is no right or wrong!!!

Redpaisley · Today 18:22

AbsoluteHoot · Today 17:18

I didn’t ‘need’ my husband at our babies’ births. I went all primitive and quiet and just got on with it. It was however, hugely meaningful that he was there. He’d not have missed it for anything. Mind you, he’s not a word class footballer playing in the World Cup. I think I’d insist he prioritised that, tbf.

But everyone is different and it was his choice so for him birth of his child was more important than playing in world cup

Differentforgirls · Today 18:22

OtterLovesItsRock · Today 18:20

I am assuming my support network is with me.

Nobody in my family has had a birth like that, which is genetically and socially lucky.

Yes, I would feel he was excelling in one way and I was excelling in another.

The father of your child should be your support network.

Redpaisley · Today 18:22

6ate9 · Today 18:21

Why is it okay for some women to just assume their partners will be at the birth? Some men don’t want to be at the birth. It doesn’t mean they won’t be a good father. Some women prefer to be supported by other women. There is no right or wrong!!!

What century are you from?

Feelblue · Today 18:24

A decision for the two of them. As regards the football fine im sure he discussed that this is what he would do with the manager. There is a lot of talent from that country and limited squad places so manager has decided his talent warrants taking a place though he will miss the semi finals onwards. I would be very angry as the manager if it was not clear.

She has apologised now, but it says Doku isn’t playing due to illness anyway.

Belgium and Manchester City winger Jeremy Doku in action during a training session at the World Cup

World Cup 2026: Jeremy Doku criticised over plan to leave Belgium camp for birth of child

Winger Jeremy Doku is criticised for saying he wants to leave Belgium's World Cup camp to be with his wife when she gives birth to their first child.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c74ywv08ylpo

6ate9 · Today 18:25

Redpaisley · Today 18:22

What century are you from?

Globally women giving birth are attended by other women.

christina1971 · Today 18:25

I’ve just read that the Équipe journalist has apologised. So she should. Apparently she was critical of athletes who wanted their young children to accompany them to the Olympics in 2024. Her views aren’t typically French. Lots of people disgusted over here.

DontBuyAnotherBook · Today 18:27

6ate9 · Today 18:25

Globally women giving birth are attended by other women.

Think it is mainly partners and husband's in the UK.

Differentforgirls · Today 18:27

BIossomtoes · Today 18:20

Mine too. His presence was pointless.

Mine was great. With our first, he was the first to hold him because I was delivering the placenta. His face when he was looking at him was just sheer happiness.

Same with the second. We had a dodgy moment with him as the cord was round his neck and he was going blue.

There was not another person on the planet I wanted to be there more than my son's dad.

danglethedingle · Today 18:27

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · Today 16:55

To be fair, while I was in labour exDH was completely useless.

Anyone else?

Oh yes, worse than useless tbh.

DontBuyAnotherBook · Today 18:27

Differentforgirls · Today 18:17

"A tad" 😂Thank you. That's light relief on this thread.x

Well we are hoping for number three so he better stay upright if it happens lol.

6ate9 · Today 18:28

DontBuyAnotherBook · Today 18:27

Think it is mainly partners and husband's in the UK.

In the UK yes, since the 1960s.

mondaytosunday · Today 18:28

Gosh my husband got me through the birth of our children. He was there to support me however he could. And when our second ended up in NICU for three days we needed each other.

sittingonabeach · Today 18:30

DH was an amazing birthing partner, wouldn’t have wanted anyone else. Also I had an unexpected complication after giving birth which could have been dangerous for me, unless sorted quickly which it was. Needed DH’s support through that, whilst also looking after DS. He would not have wanted to miss any of that or not be there to support me.

Devonshiregal · Today 18:30

Gettingbysomehow · Today 17:06

I told my husband at the time to go home. He turned up with a friend I didnt know to support him at this difficult time. I told both of them to get the hell out and stay out. That marriage didnt last long.

Just when you think you’ve heard it all…

PencilsInSpace · Today 18:31

Childbirth is an amazing moment, for all the pain and mess and sometimes trauma. An entire, brand new person comes out of your body! That still boggles my mind, decades later.

I have two DC, two different fathers. They weren't objectively useless and they were both very keen on being there, but I just found their presence a bit annoying through no fault of theirs. If I had another (I won't, I'm old) I think I'd prefer another mother as a birthing partner - someone who properly understood what I was going through.

I know it's important to a lot of women to have the father there for the birth but I don't like the automatic assumption that he must be there. A lot of people seem to think he has a right to be there which is totally wrong. Also, for second and subsequent children, he can often be of most use looking after the older ones and he shouldn't be made to feel bad about that.