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I didn’t realise Starmer was viewed so badly ,,

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aurpod1980 · 21/06/2026 00:01

He came into government at a challenging time - I didn’t realise his confidence score was so so The fatal flaw that brought Keir Starmer crashing down to earth

https://www.thetimes.com/article/8e98de80-1d48-4d1a-8408-ff4d48e1957c?shareToken=44bb913634621653058dd12f864e3eff

The fatal flaw that brought Keir Starmer crashing down to earth

How did a prime minister who won a landslide become the most unpopular in modern times?

https://www.thetimes.com/article/8e98de80-1d48-4d1a-8408-ff4d48e1957c?shareToken=44bb913634621653058dd12f864e3eff

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tinytemper66 · 21/06/2026 16:04

The media are to blame.

unistress · 21/06/2026 16:05

There’s a huge difference between managed, skills based migration and large numbers of often traumatised men entering the country and.being placed unsupervised in unsuspecting communities. Some of these men have turned out to be terrorists, criminals and ultra violent. That is not the migration we accept.
And under the current system with many skills visas, migrants are allowed to bring in family members which includes older people putting even greater pressure on our services for little benefit.
And while we have British medical students unable to find a job here and 5% general unemployment, I don’t think you can reasonably claim that the NHS and care system will ‘fall apart’ without it.

Agree with the first post and heard ion BBC the other day small boat crossings are down 40% on this time last year, but we hear very little about it. Why is that I wonder?

Why on earth should skilled workers have to come without any family? They aren't allowed to bring aging parents and Labour have tightened the restrictions even further, but, again, very little said about it.

Medical students unable to get a job would not be sorted by no nurses, carers and other NHS roles not coming. Resident doctors is just one role.

Cllhmtdyndgvhmjb · 21/06/2026 16:06

MyTrivia · 21/06/2026 04:06

I was a lifelong Labour supporter and what really pissed me off about Keir Starmer was the way he was happy to immediately start gunning for disabled people as soon as he took office. I did not vote for that and my own MP said he wasn’t in agreement with it either.

I think he’s another one of those people that isn’t really a creature of the Labour Party, much like Tony Blair.

He should have communicated clearly why we needed to do this. We DO need to cut the welfare bill.
I voted for Starmer because he promised to be fiscally responsible and to grow the economy, but Labour MPs have prevented him from doing anything whatsoever to achieve this.

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 16:20

tinytemper66 · 21/06/2026 16:04

The media are to blame.

Starmer needs to take it on the chin. He can’t keep blaming everyone else.

Soontobesleeping · 21/06/2026 16:33

unistress · 21/06/2026 16:05

There’s a huge difference between managed, skills based migration and large numbers of often traumatised men entering the country and.being placed unsupervised in unsuspecting communities. Some of these men have turned out to be terrorists, criminals and ultra violent. That is not the migration we accept.
And under the current system with many skills visas, migrants are allowed to bring in family members which includes older people putting even greater pressure on our services for little benefit.
And while we have British medical students unable to find a job here and 5% general unemployment, I don’t think you can reasonably claim that the NHS and care system will ‘fall apart’ without it.

Agree with the first post and heard ion BBC the other day small boat crossings are down 40% on this time last year, but we hear very little about it. Why is that I wonder?

Why on earth should skilled workers have to come without any family? They aren't allowed to bring aging parents and Labour have tightened the restrictions even further, but, again, very little said about it.

Medical students unable to get a job would not be sorted by no nurses, carers and other NHS roles not coming. Resident doctors is just one role.

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No nurses coming would enable uk nurses to get jobs though.

unistress · 21/06/2026 16:38

But there aren't lots of unemployed British nurses though. There is a shortage of nurses. Didn't you know that??

Tableforjoan · 21/06/2026 16:38

I’ll get called a reform voter or a racist no doubt but I believe a citizen of the country should get a job before a non citizen if equally qualified.

We shouldn’t have doctors, nurses and midwives we have trained not being able to get employment because someone on a visa has that job. We clearly don’t need that job on the visa list if we have more people qualified than can be hired.

Cloudconfusion · 21/06/2026 16:52

Sadly I don’t think he’s as badly viewed as Burnham is about to be. People fail to realise it’s not the prime minister it’s the policies

so unless burnham comes in, says it’s all shite, we fucked fhe economy we will put the two child cap in, dial back taxes etc, then it’s about to get a hell of a lot worse.

unistress · 21/06/2026 17:02

We shouldn’t have doctors, nurses and midwives we have trained not being able to get employment because someone on a visa has that job. We clearly don’t need that job on the visa list if we have more people qualified than can be hired.

Apart from doctors, we haven't, but don't let facts muddy the waters of your 'argument'.

Tableforjoan · 21/06/2026 17:06

unistress · 21/06/2026 17:02

We shouldn’t have doctors, nurses and midwives we have trained not being able to get employment because someone on a visa has that job. We clearly don’t need that job on the visa list if we have more people qualified than can be hired.

Apart from doctors, we haven't, but don't let facts muddy the waters of your 'argument'.

I was generalising overall in the medical field. Currently it’s just some doctors but that doesn’t stop the point.

If we have more qualified in any role than can get jobs we shouldn’t be giving out visas for those jobs. It’s not hard.

Figmentofmyimagination · 21/06/2026 17:14

The trouble is that Labour didn’t win the last election - the conservatives lost it. Same with Plaid Cymru at the recent Welsh Assembly elections. Politicians assume that a large majority means that there is significant electoral support for their policies when this is not the case and then they don’t understand why most people despise them, and listening to them blathering on about their ‘huge majority’ as if it tells you anything worthwhile about their support across the electorate feels incredibly naive and irritating.

tinytemper66 · 21/06/2026 17:15

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 16:20

Starmer needs to take it on the chin. He can’t keep blaming everyone else.

I am blaming the media, not Starmer.

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 17:20

tinytemper66 · 21/06/2026 17:15

I am blaming the media, not Starmer.

Yes and it’s indicative of Starmer’s approach.

Soontobesleeping · 21/06/2026 17:20

tinytemper66 · 21/06/2026 17:15

I am blaming the media, not Starmer.

That was the point. Always blame someone else.

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · 21/06/2026 17:28

Cloudconfusion · 21/06/2026 16:52

Sadly I don’t think he’s as badly viewed as Burnham is about to be. People fail to realise it’s not the prime minister it’s the policies

so unless burnham comes in, says it’s all shite, we fucked fhe economy we will put the two child cap in, dial back taxes etc, then it’s about to get a hell of a lot worse.

How can we dial back taxes when the NHS, social care and the justice system are all running on fumes and unable to get on a sustainable long-term footing? As for cutting welfare spending, most of the welfare budget is spent on pensions, those who are in work but aren’t paid enough to live on and those with disabilities.

We can’t keep kicking the can down the road. Some hospital buildings are literally crumbling, many councils are on the verge of bankruptcy due to the social care crisis and some victims of crime are waiting THREE YEARS for their cases to come to court. If we want public services, then we actually have to pay for them.

soundsys · 21/06/2026 17:35

At a recent demonstration in Glasgow the far-right demonstrators were shouting “Keir Starmer’s a wanker” and the mostly left-wing counter demonstrators were somewhat perplexed and just going “we know”.

it’s very very rare for people in Glasgow to be unanimous on anything. Maybe not since the Poll Tax!

so yeah, I think most people feel he should go

unistress · 21/06/2026 18:34

The NHS in Wales is a devolved matter and the article makes no mention of immigration as a cause. I fact, it talks about patient care being compromised by an overall shortage of nurses, which does not imply the posts are being filled by immigrants, it implies they aren't being filled at all.

Nicewoman · 21/06/2026 19:17

DigitalIDisTotalControl · 21/06/2026 14:17

Are you like all the people who fail to appreciate that we need immigration and our NHS and care system would pretty much fall apart without it. And we need more working age adults coming in too as our population ages and birth rate continues to fall.

^^whoever said this is totally brainwashed and unable to see reality in front of their eyes.

We don’t need people coming into this country if AI takes hold, which it is doing very quickly, like a few years away.

We will literally need zero immigration.

LuckyHazelFox · 21/06/2026 19:30

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · 21/06/2026 17:28

How can we dial back taxes when the NHS, social care and the justice system are all running on fumes and unable to get on a sustainable long-term footing? As for cutting welfare spending, most of the welfare budget is spent on pensions, those who are in work but aren’t paid enough to live on and those with disabilities.

We can’t keep kicking the can down the road. Some hospital buildings are literally crumbling, many councils are on the verge of bankruptcy due to the social care crisis and some victims of crime are waiting THREE YEARS for their cases to come to court. If we want public services, then we actually have to pay for them.

We already pay for public services. They are just very badly managed. Bankrupt councils? What kind of idiots are running them into the ground?

Badbadbunny · 21/06/2026 19:56

letsallchant · 21/06/2026 13:19

Can we please not keep repeating this inane Corbyn got more votes nonsense? It shows a total misunderstanding of how our voting system works. Corbyn-led labour got more votes total because they piled up even more votes in areas already voting Labour. This didn't win them any more seats, though. They got fewer votes than before in other seats and overall didn't win a majority of seats in Parliament. It's as if in the World Cup, a team wins one match 20-0 but loses all their other matches and so doesn't go through to the next stage, yet people keep banging on about how they scored more goals than other teams. Doesn't matter. Not enough wins.

I'm a Labour supporter and while Starmer has been disappointing, this just seems like playing into the hands of right wing media and Reform. Burnham is ok but hardly the Messiah and will have to fix the same shit, while being pelted with calls for a new GE. I am sceptical but also hope at least it works as otherwise we will have a disastrous Reform government. As @unistress put it

The electorate largely don't want honesty - they seem to want jaunty slogans delivered by someone 'charismatic'

Corbyn got 10m votes in 2019, Boris got 14m. 32% compared with 44%

In 2024

Starmer got 10m votes, Rishi got 7m votes. 34% compared with 24%

So Labour's votes held pretty steady, whereas Tory votes crashed and burned.

Badbadbunny · 21/06/2026 20:00

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · 21/06/2026 17:28

How can we dial back taxes when the NHS, social care and the justice system are all running on fumes and unable to get on a sustainable long-term footing? As for cutting welfare spending, most of the welfare budget is spent on pensions, those who are in work but aren’t paid enough to live on and those with disabilities.

We can’t keep kicking the can down the road. Some hospital buildings are literally crumbling, many councils are on the verge of bankruptcy due to the social care crisis and some victims of crime are waiting THREE YEARS for their cases to come to court. If we want public services, then we actually have to pay for them.

But there's no money. We can't keep borowing. National debt is already 3 TRILLION and the interest alone is 100 BILLION each year.

Something BIG has to give.

And no, taxing billionaires won't cut it - it's another sixth form level policy like vat on private school fees and the IHT changes and employers NIC which will cause more damage than good, but sound good for the hard of thinking!

If our politicians were halfway competent, they'd impose policies for economic growth and employment based on business growth, rather than "punish" successful people and businesses!

We can't tax our way out of it. So we either have to create significant economic growth or cut costs. No other viable options.

BIossomtoes · 21/06/2026 20:02

LuckyHazelFox · 21/06/2026 19:30

We already pay for public services. They are just very badly managed. Bankrupt councils? What kind of idiots are running them into the ground?

The idiots who have seen steep cumulative real-terms government cuts to overall local budgets since 2010.

LuckyHazelFox · 21/06/2026 20:04

BIossomtoes · 21/06/2026 20:02

The idiots who have seen steep cumulative real-terms government cuts to overall local budgets since 2010.

Throw more more money at councils and they will spend it. Birmingham CC caved into unions.

BIossomtoes · 21/06/2026 20:09

LuckyHazelFox · 21/06/2026 20:04

Throw more more money at councils and they will spend it. Birmingham CC caved into unions.

Birmingham City Council did nothing of the sort. It was compelled to comply with equal pay legislation.