AIBU to conclude women pretty much always outshine men overall?

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Or is it just me? I find that men, as nice as they can be, are just a little bit shit.

And even if they’re not shit, they’re just not as good as the woman they’re with or a woman of similar age and circumstance.

I see it everywhere. My parents. Friends’ relationships. Colleagues. The sense of entitlement, putting themselves first, not being as organised, not thinking ahead in the same way, letting their mood affect everyone around them…. I am not saying women are not like this, of course they can be. But it’s rare it’s to the extent of men.

Maybe it is just me. I’m old and cynical these days.

For the record, I don’t believe in anything I wrote in my previous post.

I just wanted to make the point, that if you can apply the OP’s logic for women vs men, using the grounds of historical oppression as justification for divisive arguments, then you can do the same for black vs white, gay vs straight, disabled bs abled etc.

I’m guessing the words in my post aren’t so palatable to many of those happy to agree with the OP now you start applying them to race…

Holding one group up as being superior to another is a recipe for creating a divisive and dysfunctional society.

My grandad often said that my granny would have made a brilliant lawyer. Instead, she married him at 20 & had 7 children before she was 30. She ran their home, a simple life, but she had so much more to give.

I’ve said it before on another thread, this is an awful message for boys and young men to have to hear. NO ONE gets to choose if they’re born male or female. Stop blaming men for all the ills in the world, past and present.

@TooBigForMyBoots

As for putting one's own life at risk in the name of your country? Women have done that year in and year out since time began. Not just once a generation, or century during war. Women have always fought in wars. Women have always suffered more than men because of wars.

This is just absurd. It was the men that fought, and the men who died. Of course women suffered hardships in wars, but they didn’t fight in them, apart from a few at the fringes perhaps.

And who started all the wars 🙄

A whole generation of young men died during the First World War.

Wow. Look at the outrage at the mere suggestion women might be better than men. The rush to list all the ways men are better than women and have achieved more than women. That knee perk reaction? That's the patriarchy right there. Indoctrinated since birth. Propping it up

Are women better than men? In some ways, yes. Less violent for a start. Imagine a world without male violence. Just remove that and nothing else and the world looks like paradise.

I think that we live in a society where men have more space to shine than women do and so the argument that men have done this that and the other and hold most of the major positions blah blah blah is flawed.

It's not because they are better than women, more talented than women, more clever than women. It's because they have throughout history and across the world had more access to resources to enable them to succeed.

Anyone who thinks that's changed in any meaningful way is fooling themselves. We still live in a world where women give up their careers for the family unit far far more than men. Until that stops, women will never succeed at the same rate as men.

What absolute bull! Not for the first time I recommend reading Philippa Gregory ‘Normal Women’ about the involvement of women in history and how much they’ve been pushed out. Or remember the stories of any of the brilliant women whose achievements were pushed aside, minimalised or stolen by men. ‘Behind every great man there is a great woman… and every great woman has a man in front of her getting in her way and tripping her up’.

Men do not make society. It’s women that grow kids and create the future.

You’re measuring value in terms of a job, as though bringing up seven children isn’t an amazing accomplishment. Yes, she didn’t have the opportunity that many men did, but that’s irrelevant to the point the OP is trying to make.

Just wondering how the women who agree with this fee about their sons? Are they useless or are their sons different.

You clearly have not read any history. Unsurprising really as men have whitewashed women from the history books. I can give you a recommended reading list if you like?

Men have not created, built and maintained all of society whatsoever.

I dunno..my DH and his friends are definitely more committed & diligent at work than me & mine. As women we were chatting about this only last week. Most of us (we are lawyers, accountants etc in "big jobs") basically work to live, its a means to an end, whereas our husbands are more live to work, they are quite competitive and focussed on their work. They give it more. I can see why their employers like them, they think the work really matters so much more.

It is awful and divisive.

I’d put good money on the women who are so furiously claiming that “women are better than men” are the very ones that demonstrate that this isn’t the case!

From their posts they don’t appear to share the noble, kind and generous characters that supposedly women have and men don’t. Rather they would do better and look in the mirror, try me be more self-aware, and be more honest about their own shortcomings.

I see the history of women’s war service in WW2 has been forgotten too. Just the way women’s work always is. SOE, French resistance, the land army… Men always push women out of the way. The misogyny of women to other women is even sadder. And don’t forget, “Be Kiiiiiind”… said to no man ever….!

This is just click bait crap.

You can’t seriously simultaneously say that “men didn’t create our society whatsoever - it was actually women”… and then also believe “our society is a patriarchy from which women have been excluded”.

You can hold one, of the other, but not both.

Or perhaps what you’re trying to say is that everything bad in society is men’s doing, and everything good in society is women’s doing… but that’s such misandrist bullshit.

Do you also believe that everything good in the world is due to black people, and everything bad is due to white people?

Women did a lot in WWII, of course they did… but they weren’t the ones fighting and dying (yes I realise many women civilians suffered and died too, just not on the frontline). I’d much rather work hard all day in the fields in the “‘land army” than be in the thick of battle. Whole generations of men died.

Its a shame that you only seem to know shit men.

But men don't all share the same character or traits, just as women don't.

Well, according to @MummyWillow1 it was women!

You need to meet some better men OP. There are loads of great men and great women around.

I think there are some men who are willing to put in a huge number of hours a week to get to the top of their profession. They are often very intelligent, very conscientious, very healthy, very focused and highly disagreeable. Women on the whole, don’t want this sort of life.

The world is organised around men. There are deliberate and accidental barriers to women living full lives because of this. For example, in the workplace - it's organised around men's life patterns and men's bodies. Thus, the "difficulty" with women working & becoming pregnant & raising children. We still don't have a way of fully accommodating women's life patterns and women's bodies. (See Pregnant and Screwed for lots of stories & activism about this).

And men haven't stepped up in other ways.

Women have to be better than men at almost everything just to be seen as fully human. So of course most women are better at most stuff than most men.

Why on earth do you refuse to take a cab? That's absurd.

It makes me wonder about all the Sons we are raising when I see threads like this because according to all the men haters they are all shit, terrible people.