Welfarisation has made people utterly entitled and unable to take responsibility for themselves and their families.

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I grew up in a working class family. The values I was taught were that you stood on your own two feet and it was no one else's job to do what you could do for yourself.

If you were hurt, you were expected to get up and go and clean yourself up - and stop whining about it unless it was actually serious. If you were ill, you went to bed and if you were lucky some magic lucozade appeared.

If you were sad, then you were sad. If life was unfair then that was just how life was and you needed to deal with it.

You never ever sought charity or took benefits when you were able to work or put up with less. You lived to your own means, not to what you saw on TV or at school - and if you wanted that lifestyle it was up to you to get it.

Today everyone has the expectation that someone must help them, that they are obliged to help them - even before they have made any attempt to actually do the work of helping themselves. They expect luxuries like holidays, pets, new clothes and treats when they do nothing to earn this.

I think self sufficiency is a value that needs to return to our society.

I agree with the OP but for the fact that we are taxed to buggery, so if im paying 1/4 of my income as tax and thats not considering other taxes such as vat, i want some returns when I need them.

Just had to pay privately for a much needed minor op as nhs waiting lists horrendous, so feeling rather sore about it and i don't mind the wound from the op although that is sore too.

Do we get a badge?

can I have a clipboard and a tick sheet? Maybe a spreadsheet?

It never fails to amaze me that there is a collective on Mumsnet so determined to be politically correct that they’ll deny any sort of benefit fraud. There are LOTS of people quite happy with the state funding their lifestyles. Maybe move out of the leafy burbs and you’ll find them! I’ve said it before I personally know one family who are now 3 generations in of people who have NEVER been in paid employment!

I say this as a recipient of UC despite both me and DH working! DH full time….me I’ve been fighting management for months for the spare 4 hours in the budget that were released in the office by another member of staff reducing their hours - which would take me up to full time too. The red tape that is blocking it is ridiculous!

Correct me if I'm wrong and I genuinely may have made a mistake (I have checked back though)

But didn't you jump on with a sarcastic comment about telling your legs to work, before anyone mentioned disabilities?

I didn't get the impression your comment was in reply to anyone at the time?

Why is it genuinely disabled people get so wound up about it when these sort of threads or posts come on and cant seem to grasp the concept that its not about them??

People do play the system thats a fact, it doesnt necessarily impact other claimants of benefits but they do.

But back to the entitlement, its even little things, I know 2 people who need jobs done to their house, one needs cupboard doors fixing its literally hanging off its hinges and could be dangerous for her kids but rather than paying someone to do it she'd rather wait weeks for the council to come out and fix it.

This is my least favourite word. No one says what it actually means. In the workplace it seems to mean ‘shouldn’t have to do all of my job that I’m being paid for’…..

I’m still disabled and I do get welfare benefits.

id have thought having to tell my legs to work was a bit of a clue I was, indeed, disabled?

I guess this is the attitude that prevailed pre NHS pre Pensions….associated with a far higher infant mortality rate and lower life expectancy. A hugely sick workforce.

Meanwhile you believe self sufficiency will get you through climate change for example OP?

Absolutely laughable

What's weirder is how the rich want handouts as much as the poor. And get them.

You've misunderstood me.

Someone asked why you brought disability into it when it was clear the OP hadn't.

I think you said it was in reply to others who had.

But I don't think anyone had when you made your first post.

but then the cost of living needs to stay the same otherwise business will fold anyway due to only the rich rich being able to use them

Oh yes a badge, a club booklet, and all the benefits of the club you never wanted to be part of...but obviously it is non-negotiable 🤣😬🤣

The whole op was don’t claim benefits. Just get looked after by family. Soldier on. Don’t claim anything. Did you read it?

I can even do a pivot table.

😂

So work needs to pay more than benefits but increasing the NMW must not happen?

Riiiight, that makes sense...

You undermine your own argument.

Your own personal experience does not mean that arguments that the welfare state has been over expanded to an unaffordable level or that there are not a lot of people receiving - honestly or otherwise -benefits who are exploiting the generosity of taxpayers are not valid.

Ooh, you're in! 🤣👍😎

Disabled people get ‘wound up’ because these vile threads are about their literal ability to live and survive.

Lets rush back to Victorian times though and abandon all society.

Today everyone has the expectation that someone must help them, that they are obliged to help them

well yeah, because in some situations the law says they must help them. What's wrong with expecting the law to be adhered too?

sounds like you grew up in a not very nice house tbh if no one even cared when you were hurt or ill. I don't think that's something to aim for.

what in the OP was bashing benefits? The current problem is that benefits aren’t there to support people in a dire emergency; they have become a lifestyle choice. This was not the intention of them and it is grossly unfair on people who do work hard.

Yes and it doesn't mention disability, you were the first to bring disabilities into it.

Perhaps the OP should've put the usual disclaimer in though.

By the 1980s glasses were (for kids) the shit nhs issue specs that marked you out as a poor kid+ speccy 4 eyes to boot.

Bring back workhouses and while we are at it institutions for autistic and "disabled" people lord knows we dont want those people around

Fuck my life no wonder they passed assisted suicide bill

I fucking despair

THERE ARE NO FUCKING JOBS IN AREAS OF HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT THE NHS IS SHITE AND PEOPLE ARE CLAIMING DISABILITY BENEFITS WAITING FOR NHS TREATMENT PEOPLE GET DEPRESSED IN THESE SITUATIONS WHICH MAKES EVERYTHING WORSE

I can't understand obvious issues for you if your so keen to throw poor and disabled under the bus I can only hope you learn empathy before you need some help yourself

because without the rich, and there business empires, there would be hardly any need for the general population