Welfarisation has made people utterly entitled and unable to take responsibility for themselves and their families.

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I grew up in a working class family. The values I was taught were that you stood on your own two feet and it was no one else's job to do what you could do for yourself.

If you were hurt, you were expected to get up and go and clean yourself up - and stop whining about it unless it was actually serious. If you were ill, you went to bed and if you were lucky some magic lucozade appeared.

If you were sad, then you were sad. If life was unfair then that was just how life was and you needed to deal with it.

You never ever sought charity or took benefits when you were able to work or put up with less. You lived to your own means, not to what you saw on TV or at school - and if you wanted that lifestyle it was up to you to get it.

Today everyone has the expectation that someone must help them, that they are obliged to help them - even before they have made any attempt to actually do the work of helping themselves. They expect luxuries like holidays, pets, new clothes and treats when they do nothing to earn this.

I think self sufficiency is a value that needs to return to our society.

Yes, they ran away when they gave some examples and I pointed out their examples were wrong 🤣

I didn’t say they were

I grew up on a council estate in the 70s and 80s most people got on with life like you say but there were people reliant upon benefits then too. My mother had complains about the removal of the child benefit cap but conveniently forgets that she received child benefit for three children herself.

I grew up on a council estate in the 70s and 80s most people got on with life... in their very low cost social housing!
(Am in favour of social housing, it makes housing more affordable across the board and reduces the housing benefit bill for the taxpayer)

Did you grow up in a council house OP? Far more people had subsidised accommodation back then than they do now. Only about 1/6 of the population today are in receipt of housing benefit or equivalent from what I understand.

As I a society I think we have moved to situation where victim hood is valued more than self sufficiency, where envy has replaced ambition and where being kind is valued more than being truthful.

Labour in a nutshell.

Read her original post … she is gloating, whether or not she is doing anything wrong isn’t the point.

You didn’t prove anything … you said you didn’t know. I’ve seen people with one leg crawling around Cambodia begging. Try looking outside your European bubble! You’re talking about so called civilised counties, that’s a very small proportion of the world!! Many many counties could care a dot about their own people and here we are crying about having a converted car or whether we gets child credit for two or three kids! So yeah, be grateful for what you do have!!

...whereas you'd rather live in a society devoid compassion and human decency
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Yes I agree with this.
welfare should be there for people with profound disability and they should not have to fight for it.
However people who are ‘anxious’ / chaotic and can’t work but can manage a holiday abroad and all of the organisation that takes need to get a job.
We can’t afford to support people who spend their free time (of which they have plenty thanks to welfare) planning what to say in their next claim form. It’s disgusting

YANBU OP, but you will need to put your hard hat on for this one, because Mumsnet is full of left wing Labour/ Green Party voters who think we shouldn’t question anyone’s right to welfare and dish it out without question because there’s a magic money tree that you just shake when you need some extra money.

Don’t worry, because Andy Burnham will be along soon and will increase everyone’s taxes a bit more (especially people who live in the South because he’s King of the North), to pay for everything.

I wasn't talking about you. The tax bands have been so eaten by inflation that paying higher rate tax does not equate to being wealthy.

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No, a society where an equilibrium was found.

Lack of jobs and cost of living increases has made people utterly unable to take responsibility for themselves and their families.

You do realise that it’s the child element of UC where the cap was removed, not child benefit proper, so if your mum
had child benefit for three children then that’s different?

How odd that you’re now quiet about your Russian claims 🤣

I lived in this fantasy land too. 🤷‍♀️

A healthy society includes compassion. I've never claimed benefits and of course disagree with "benefit scroungers" but there are so many in society that genuinely need help and support just to survive

How odd that you only know such a narrow amount of information … if Russia is such a fantastic country to live in, feel free to move. You’ll get welfare but off you go to war, and good luck if you’re gay or similar!

The reality is that the amount of money spent on welfare plus other benefits like the NHS is unsustainable.

A smaller and smaller bunch of people (taxpayers) are supporting a larger and larger group (people who get more in benefits than they pay in tax).

That isn't fair or reasonable or a long term acceptable position. It diminishes the will to work and succeed and deters new business (that we vitally need) from establishing in the UK.

This thread is like Starmer and Burnham really. People get the point that we need to cut back (not least because we need to spend more on defence to keep us safe) but no one thinks it should apply to them. No one is prepared to make the tough decisions!!!

I am a Waspi, and not only do I not think there should be compensation for Waspi women, because I can't understand how anyone with eyes or ears missed that it was happening, but I think the pension triple lock needs to be removed and replaced with a retail/consumer price index match instead.

The triple lock is indefensible if you're going to scale back benefits.

Such a tiny percentage of the population is gay doesn’t affect most people day-to-day.

I’ve already explained why you’re wrong. Please stop lying. Thanks.

you threatened to dox me. Which is not a good look.