Welfarisation has made people utterly entitled and unable to take responsibility for themselves and their families.

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I grew up in a working class family. The values I was taught were that you stood on your own two feet and it was no one else's job to do what you could do for yourself.

If you were hurt, you were expected to get up and go and clean yourself up - and stop whining about it unless it was actually serious. If you were ill, you went to bed and if you were lucky some magic lucozade appeared.

If you were sad, then you were sad. If life was unfair then that was just how life was and you needed to deal with it.

You never ever sought charity or took benefits when you were able to work or put up with less. You lived to your own means, not to what you saw on TV or at school - and if you wanted that lifestyle it was up to you to get it.

Today everyone has the expectation that someone must help them, that they are obliged to help them - even before they have made any attempt to actually do the work of helping themselves. They expect luxuries like holidays, pets, new clothes and treats when they do nothing to earn this.

I think self sufficiency is a value that needs to return to our society.

My first post on the thread. Non working legs = disabled.

My third post. AFTER I had said my legs don’t work.

Good username, I agree. What was the heated debate about?👏🏻 🤔

I think it’s you who has issues. Your behaviour towards me has been abhorrent.

That isn’t very kind or nice. You don't know what @Bbcsounds is going through or her circumstances.

PP has been like a dog with a bone throughout the thread with Bbcsounds. Wont leave her alone and accusing here of all sorts, and frightening her about being reported etc.

Yes, I saw how poor @Bbcsounds was being harassed. MN is not a nice place sometimes 😕

Was thinking the same

Please read what she said about me here.

having said from the beginning that my legs don’t work, this is when she said there were going to be NEW REPORTS about me - not news:

and now she wants personal information about me, presumable so that she can do this.

it’s been relentless: at me and it’s not fair.

im working as hard as I can - I work full time, and I’m so fucking PROUD of myself for earning 65k it’s not true. I’m divorced, due to progressive conditions, but I’ve reared 3 kids who work in vocational professions. They all went to uni.

I get pip yes. But as I have said MULTIPLE times I claim it because

I can’t afford a car adapted for me. I use a wheelchair most of the time now, sometimes I walk with my crutches but that is much less than it used to be. I’m urine I continent, and heading towards poo incontinent too.

the pip meant I got my bb. That means I can park right beside my building in work. Means I can get to Tesco for my groceries.

the pip made the whole process of getting adjustments in work much easier. Because I just said I get full mobility pip - easy one. No hassle.

work are great to be fair, and I’m very fortunate.

I use the pip for days my hands arent working so I can’t safely chop. Or im too sore. Or my shoulders are fucked. Or my legs arent working so I can’t stand at the counter. I have a supply of ready meals.

I use it for extra heating and washing costs. Proper shoes that fit my feet. Stupid daft elastic laces so I can’t stand at just slip my feet in.

I use if for dry shampoo. For body wipes. Because some days everything is just too hard.

I used it to add thingumies to my top kitchen cupboards so they come down and I can reach things.

if anyone would like to swap, they’re welcome.

I can’t be arsed to go back and edit that. My hands arent working particularly well this morning and I’m done.

The attitude demonstrated by some on this towards me makes me afraid for disabled people

And why not?
Benefits are a safety net not a way of funding life.
if you inherit and are better off then you stop taking from the state just like everyone who works for a living has to fund their own life.
This post is an example of welfarisation: people who expect to be funded by others.
The money comes from a small pool of people who go to work and pay tax you know, it’s not ‘free’.

My mate's ex (in her 30s and has never had a proper job) has lost her 50% custody through being a nightmare - getting pissed and not getting up to do the school run, kicking off at the neighbour and needing police intervention etc.

She's absolutely furious about the prospect of losing her child benefits even though she doesn't have the kids.

She asked to be left alone … days later she returns and starts it all up again.

I think everyone should step away from this thread now and let it die a natural death.

You kept referring to me after you were asked to stop.

and you’re wrong. The first thing I said on this thread was that I was disabled.

you’re welcome to my disabilities for a fortnight and see how you like them apples.

I don’t know that it was meant to be news, and after you trying to goad me to reveal personal information, I don’t believe you.

I don’t always have the capability even to autocorrect things - it’s just a step too far some times. And don’t start me on how rubbish speech to text is.

You posted all your posts separately … no one goes through and checks all the names, well, maybe you do!
You wrote a goading post and don’t like that someone called you out on it!

What on Earth for?

Bless yoo, I was very premature too - 3 months premature and 2lb in 1981. My condition is neurological too (did you say you have MS? Sorry if im wrong) so we have similar issuss.

I think you sound amazing., raising 3 children (I have 3 too!) and working. Sending hugs ❤️

Please try to be kinder to others. It's easier and better for everyone. @Bbcsounds has done nothing wrong.