Welfarisation has made people utterly entitled and unable to take responsibility for themselves and their families.

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I grew up in a working class family. The values I was taught were that you stood on your own two feet and it was no one else's job to do what you could do for yourself.

If you were hurt, you were expected to get up and go and clean yourself up - and stop whining about it unless it was actually serious. If you were ill, you went to bed and if you were lucky some magic lucozade appeared.

If you were sad, then you were sad. If life was unfair then that was just how life was and you needed to deal with it.

You never ever sought charity or took benefits when you were able to work or put up with less. You lived to your own means, not to what you saw on TV or at school - and if you wanted that lifestyle it was up to you to get it.

Today everyone has the expectation that someone must help them, that they are obliged to help them - even before they have made any attempt to actually do the work of helping themselves. They expect luxuries like holidays, pets, new clothes and treats when they do nothing to earn this.

I think self sufficiency is a value that needs to return to our society.

Someone else claiming something doesn’t reduce my eligibility.

If you don't want people on welfare you need everyone in a job and employers to pay fair wages.

Can't see that happening with the attitude of the tech bros that they want to earn trillions and use AI for everything.

Yep, it is the old "if the scroungers had their money cut, you would get more" chestnut.
It does not work like that. It never has. Makes you wonder where they get their "information" from.

And what about the disabled who can’t work or should they just starve?

And what about pensioners? Or don’t they count as welfare recipients?

is it Logan’s run 2.0?

"Everyone got free school meals, milk, eye tests, glasses, dentistry, prescriptions...
Unemployment benefit, housing allowance."

Absolutely untrue. I was born in 1958 - apart from children getting free school milk at primary school and eye tests for adults, the rest were not available to everyone. My dad was a coal miner - we never got free meals, which were only for a smaller minority than now. Prescriptions were not free; dentistry was not free; glasses were not free; there was no housing benefit when I was a child and unemployment benefits were very restricted.

Yes, and I am sure that you will be quite happy to pay at least twice and probably more than what you pay for all your essentials like food and clothes.

And the people earning the increased minimum wage will also have a massive increase in their food and other costs so they will be no better off.

Also, no-one will invest in the UK and any jobs that there are will be transferred to other cheaper countries and our whole economy will collapse.

But that is all fine isn't it.

I really don't think that people like you should be allowed to vote. You are clueless.

No, everyone didn't get free school meals, dentistry, eye tests, glasses, dentistry, prescriptions. Most people paid for them.

It’s the word “support” that annoys me. Everything is about needing requiring or wanting “support”.

I never got free school meals. As soon as I left school I had to pay for the dentist. Eye tests I’ve always similarly paid for, and I have a prescription pre-payment certificate and had that at least since I was 18 and started work.

It doesn't reduce eligibility @Bbcsounds , it demands more money, it increases scepticism, it increases scrutiny, there is political pressure to reduce spending, it leaves the most vulnerable, more vulnerable.

100% correct.

Why would you need PIP if you're a higher rate tax payer?

Because it’s a gateway benefit for providing me additional support - for example, I’m able to have an adapted car that I couldn’t afford otherwise, and I was awarded my BB based off my pip entitlement?

It’s a benefit to cover the additional costs of my disability - so for example, it also covers additional heating and laundry costs that I have over and above a non-disabled individual.

I couldn’t agree more op! So much entitlement these days!

They were all free at the start, then charges brought in (weren't free for long).

Apologies if wrong about FSM!

It's like the Four Yorkshire Men but without the humour.

To you this time, what am I supposed to do then? Do tell me. Also please tell me what you’re going to do about the massive part of the welfare bill that goes to pensioners?

Because its not a relief of poverty benefit

its an entirely different concept based around additional costs of indepence which remain regardless of employment status.

Your disability does not go away just because you are a high earner.

The government provides PIP as a means to level out the playing field between disabled people and able bodied people, the intent being that it covers the extra costs associated with being disabled.

It's not a "hand out" as much as it is a leveller, and given disabled people still face ridiculous levels of ignorance, prejudice, and physical hurdles rooted in indifference, it's still sorely required.

its always been apart of histroy, thats why there were many wars etc people fighting over resources

Yawn.

Just focus on your own life OP and appreciate the fact that you are not disabled or unemployed.

I believe it is good that we have a society with safety net for people who are struggling.

Also there is no shame in asking for help to get back on your feet and it is not failure to access services that can provide support.

You never know what is going on in other people's lives and spending your time looking down on others and judging them is really not healthy and It is quite a miserable way to live frankly.

GPs also rarely did home visits if - like now - you were able to get to the surgery.

This.

Well that 3 year old wouldn’t have ended up in the crocodile enclosure if we still had institutions.