Welfarisation has made people utterly entitled and unable to take responsibility for themselves and their families.

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I grew up in a working class family. The values I was taught were that you stood on your own two feet and it was no one else's job to do what you could do for yourself.

If you were hurt, you were expected to get up and go and clean yourself up - and stop whining about it unless it was actually serious. If you were ill, you went to bed and if you were lucky some magic lucozade appeared.

If you were sad, then you were sad. If life was unfair then that was just how life was and you needed to deal with it.

You never ever sought charity or took benefits when you were able to work or put up with less. You lived to your own means, not to what you saw on TV or at school - and if you wanted that lifestyle it was up to you to get it.

Today everyone has the expectation that someone must help them, that they are obliged to help them - even before they have made any attempt to actually do the work of helping themselves. They expect luxuries like holidays, pets, new clothes and treats when they do nothing to earn this.

I think self sufficiency is a value that needs to return to our society.

You are one of the problems this country has … they are plenty of new reports regards people like you, hopefully this will be looked and very soon!

Austerity and welfare cuts was never going to do anything else but make it worse for the masses. Refusing to properly invest in the population is a large reason why things are going so badly.

Why am I a problem? What new report is there about me?

They need to stop handing over money and give vouchers instead, that way it can only be used for necessities such as food or fuel, not cigarettes, alcohol or netflix. If you want to do those things you’ll have to fund them yourself!

People on good salaries claiming PIP

Pip is not an out of work benefit.

We need to try and change the system so that people like Musk cannot hoard wealth while people struggle with everyday living.

Im absolutely not suggesting socialism but more regulation needs to be put in place. So long as the US keeps allowing wealthy billionaires into power, nothing will change. Trump being president is a blatant conflict of interests. It’s obvious he’s gaming the system to his advantage. America is no more a democracy than Russia.

And when people don't have income to spend on local goods and services, do you think that will help grow the economy and number of jobs available or shrink them?

I know … but if you’re in the higher tax bracket you don’t need PIP … you just want it because you can, and are obviously keen to gloat about it.
As I said, I hope this it seriously looked at soon as the PIP bill amongst the middle class is massive!

Well that's the major achievement capitalism.

Use financial reward to get people to take the risks that are inherent in developing new things that benefit society.

They can use their no UC money for that

Yes, child benefits and pension should also be vouchers only too, if we are going to down that tired old path.
Because people on any sort of money from the government are too stupid to know how to budget 🙄

PIP is a gateway benefit. it is more than just money.

Has anyone who reviles Musk ever looked at his lifestyle beyond the number of children he has and his wealth?

Means-testing also costs money, and means-testing PIP would cost more than it saved, but I wouldn't hold your breath on common sense (or an ounce of humanity) occurring in these posters.

Clearly … as they seem to have a problem feeding their children but not funding a TV subscription.
Why should the tax payer have to fund your kids school lunches but you can sit at home watching Netflix and opening a bottle of wine. Welfare should be for the necessities only, you want to added extras then fund it yourself.

Exactly this.

Also, my pip doesn’t even touch the sides of my additional costs.

If I wasn’t able to fund my therapies outside working hours, for eg, I wouldn’t be able to work. If I didn’t have an adapted car, I couldn’t get to work. And then I’d be on UC. What then?

Which you DON’T need if you are a higher earner … as I said, it’s just because you can have it that you want it.

Agree. Pretty much all of my close friends have their 25-30 year old kids still living with them.

Have you any idea how much it costs to adapt a car?

Have you any idea what pip is even designed to be for?

my pip doesn’t even touch the sides. And if you want to swap me for my disabilities, go ahead.

I don't know about anyone else, but I found his Nazi salute to Trump to be particularly charming. It completely changed my opinion of him. The fleet of private jets he travels on is totally environmentally friendly, and his substance abuse is nothing short of endearing.

YANBU by a long stretch. Glad to see 75% of voters agree too.

Agree. Sadly we have a nation of people who are better off on benefits. Thats the government for you

I suggest you read the older posts by @Bbcsoundswhere she breaks down what the extra costs due to her disabilty are... and you will see that her PIP does not even cover it. Without her PIP, she would not be able to work.
Stop her PIP because she "earns too much", and she would be on UC and not working.

But it is ok... you punch down and blame disabled people for the country's debt. You could become one of them in the blink of an eye.

When we lived in the UK we worked out that my husbands disability was costing us on average £864 a month, that doesn’t include loss of earnings as he is unable to work fulltime. If we had included loss of earnings it was closer to £2,000 a month.