To wonder why people jump to calling people who murder other prisoners heros?

[Femalemachinest]

Ive just seen something on facebook where 3 men have been charged for a killing another in prison. He killed a young child. People are praising these men, calling them a hero's, saying they should be released, have their sentences reduced.... all while forgetting these people are also serious criminals to be on the same wing. Apparently 2 of them were in for murder of women.
I would also believe they did this because of something that happened in prison (debt/gang related) not because of the reason he was in.

Achilles is a hero. He killed lots of people

hercules is a hero. He killed his own family

beowulf is a hero - he kills Grendel and grendel’s mum if I remember correctly

heroes aren’t necessarily good people

Roland (from the twelfth century song of Roland) also is a warrior who kills lots of people

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

That's what people think. I hate hearing them praised as heros when they're often (almost) as bad as the person they've killed.

I dont feel any sorrow for someone evil killed in prison but I do feel sorry for the prison staff that have to deal with it.

I remember reading on a thread about one of these murders, someone said "the general public aren't safe from being a murder victim so why should it be any different in prison". Which did make me stop and think. You could argue prison should be safe but do prisoners deserve "more" safety than ordinary people?

The definition of virtue signalling is really bloody broad if it includes thinking that a man on a whole life sentence for rape and multiple murders, including a pregnant woman, shouldn’t be applauded just because he killed Ian Watkins.

No one is lamenting the deaths of these individuals. Just not celebrating the killers.

I don’t believe in capital punishment as they have got it wrong so many times! However these monsters rubbed out by prisoners I don’t really have an issue with. I don’t think they should have hero status, but they have at least cleared up the dregs of society who may have reoffended if they ever got out, plus it frees up more prison spaces, and saves probably millions

@Octavia64

These are all heroes from mythology or fiction, where I would argue the term has a different meaning/understanding.

A 'hero' from a mythological tale is not defined in the same way that regular human beings are defined as heroes. For a regular, non-mythological individual to be called a hero, they need to be virtuous enough to not be committing acts of rape and murder.

Would you consider the Nazis to be heroes? They undoubtedly killed some terrible people.

Not sure that's necessarily the case. The men referred to in the op murdered the child killer because they wanted to move prisons, not because they wanted to punish him for his crimes.

So by your own note in brackets you are basically saying ‘bad person kills other bad person’.
It sort of makes your point void.
Also who gets to decide who is a ‘bad person’ and deserving of being put to death ?
I appreciate the convicted criminals guilty of heinous crimes mentioned in this thread are indisputably evil but where do you draw the line, if you are letting ‘bad people’ make judgments on other ‘bad people’.

Because they're thick as mince.

I used to work in the justice system and its something that baffles me. People always assume that it will be some Noble hero for a good cause. People really romanticise the prison pecking order.

90% of the time its from an equally horrendous individual over a drug debt, or gang related thing. Lots of awful people are well protected because of their links, lots of others hung out to dry for lesser offences. At best they are killed for notority, usually its over a stolen instant noodle. Its rarely about the offence

When Ian Watkins died, I said on the thread it wouldn't be about something noble and again was proved right when it was someone who killed their pregnant wife and he was killed over a drug debt.

There's always references on thread of someone's dh or df who is a prison guard and would leave doors unlocked or turn a blind eye. Those prison officers are always corrupt and it turns my stomach that some random bloke thinks they get to be the decider of who gets beaten up, who gets killed etc. Again ive seen officers take grudges due to racism, who gave them a funny look or simply because they are on a power trip. Everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law.

One nasty piece of work has had their comeuppance, and whoever did them in will never see the outside again. Sounds like a 2 for the price of 1. Good deal that.

Tbh if a particular prison wing contained all murderers, rapists and nonces, I’d happily support a Battle Royale style scenario where they can all kill each other.

@zingally

I think that's missing the point a bit, though. I can understand why you (or someone else) might see the murder of a serial killer or child abuser to be a good thing.

But this thread is about people praising the person responsible, and in some cases, advocating for them to be released. That's incredibly insensitive and ignorant/

I feel for the victims family who have to see the face of the person who killed their loved one

Zero sympathy for the prisoner who was killed. Don't think the men who killed him are heroes though.

Exactly. There’s a difference between “I’m not remotely sorry he’s dead” and “round of applause to the rapist murderer for killing again”

Because humans are vengeful animals and they are blowing off some steam in an anon forum.
Thinking you are morally superior for your more liberal views is part of the reason there is so much division and hate in this country at the moment. People are allowed to despise child abusers and murderers and wish them dead. It is a perfectly logical position to take.

I wouldn't call them heroes at all, but neither do I lose sleep thinking about the 'prison justice' doled out to violent offenders, if I'm completely honest. I also support the idea of capital punishment in cases where there is no doubt of guilt.

ETA: Anyone suggesting that the prisoners committing these murders should be released from prison or in any way rewarded is nuts, though. That's perfectly clear to anyone with a functioning brain.

I don't believe they should have their sentences reduced.

I do believe that one less child molester isn't a bad thing.

True 'lifers' have nothing to lose by doing these kinds of things, and I do sort of see it as their way of doing some sort of community service. They have committed an atrocity and will never be released, so why not clear up some mess along the way 🤷‍♀️

Killing bad people is neither necessary nor sufficient for heroic status.

But OP isn’t criticising people for wishing them dead.
Is it a liberal opinion to think that a rapist and multiple murderer shouldn’t have their sentence reduced??

I mean I don't want them released early or have their sentences reduced but I am hoping the absolute monster that killed baby Preston meets a very horrible end in prison or at least spends the rest of his days living in absolute fear just like that poor baby did!!

I think describing IH as “obnoxious” is possibly the understatement of the year.

Because they think the more blood thirsty the revenge they advocate for a perpetrator, the more caring of the victims it makes them look.
Its a weird type of virtue signalling where they get to indulge themselves in cheering on heinous criminals to acts of violence, while claiming to be better than the people who don't think is ideal for murders to be allowed to commit additional murders at his majesty's pleasure.

What did you expect me to to call him?
Any right minded person knows what he was. What would be the point in filling my post with a string of invective against him when I'm sure most people can supply their own.

I won’t celebrate this type of thing, but I have no sympathy for paedophiles and child killers.

There is a certain poetic justice when the sort of violent, disturbed adult male who abuses, harms, hurts or murders defenceless children meets their fate at the hands of other violent, psychopathic, murdering males.

Im not saying I agree or disagree with it. But to forget these are horrible people who have committed just as bad crimes is ridiculous. How do we know one of these men arent also a child killer.

To the poster who said "normal" people will be happy about this i think is an incorrect word to use. Why is it not "normal" to think that any murder is bad?

Ive have attached some comments ive seen. Ive tried to cut them so you cant see these people's names.