Burnham has won. More turmoil?

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Now Burnham has won, it will trigger a leadership contest, and if he wins, a new chancellor of the exchequer.

Surely this cannot be good for the country, or its finances?

YABU - Burnham is a true leader who will improve the UK for everyone and be a competent and respected leader.

YANBU - FFS, here we go again.

Which public sector layabouts do you have in mind, the ones who empty your bins, or who teach your children, or those who try and support vulnerable older people to remain independent in their own homes or with insufficient funds to do so?

It wasn’t Labour who caused the UK to lose 6% of its economy via Brexit.

Let's wait and see, he is not PM yet and a lot can happen.

I hope if he does become prime minister he will be given more of a chance than Starmer. The minute Starmer arrived the media was out to get him, they were relentless. So much personal hate generated towards him which is really not fair.

I like Burnham but prefer stability. Leaving the EU has ironically turned the UK into Italy in the 80s.

Where did Count Binface come? Did he beat the Tory?

‘Build, baby, build’ approach to solving exorbitant rents?

What will a new PM do about so many things that are wrong with this country? I wished I knew, the Tories did that and nothing much changed. Best one they had was Rishi sunak and they hung him out to dry and I say that as someone who isn’t a conservative voter.
This split in the LP and in fighting is more akin to how the conservatives were for years. A new leader needs to unite people and I can’t see AB doing that.

When I look at the cabinet I think about what a really difficult and important job they have , yet our political system means you can get one of these jobs with very little or no experience. The same is true with PM. Starmer is obviously intelligent but how much political experience does he actually have when you consider he has the most important job in the country? Same with Philipson. In charge of the countries education system with what qualifications? At least Burnham has his mayoral experience. I’m trying to be optimistic.

Or perhaps all these 9-5 junior doctors and nurses who’ll save their life when they get rushed to A&E?

Why do you assume that anyone who criticises Labour is a journalist? I'm actually a doctor and business owner but do feel free to carry on throwing insults around. I'm quite happy sitting back and watching the Labour party implode.

I agree. I cannot stand the smug look on his face.

What makes you think that people who believe in higher taxes aren't already higher earners?

If you are unable to even imagine that some people might vote against their own self interest because they want a fairer society, then doesn't that make you the economically selfish one?

I like both of them. I’d rather starmer stayed , I think he’s decent and steady, and then Burnham lead labour at the next election.

I feel hopeful for the first time in a long time. For years during a Conservative government i was saying 'We need to get Keir Starmer in and give him a chance to turn things around' but unfortunately he has been a massive dissappointment. I feel with Andy Burnham in charge (i realise this is not yet a given) we have real hope of a better country otherwise inevitably Reform will get in next time and i dread to think what will happen to the UK then.

I can't actually see what Starmer has done that makes everyone dislike him so much. The country is in a dire state due to multiple factors from the past (never really recovered from the financial crisis of 2008 and the appalling Austerity politics, Brevity, covid) and global issues. Many other countries are facing the same problems as us in terms of expensive housing, poor wage inflation etc. There is no easy fix to it all.

If the Labour Party really wants Burnham to take over then I think the best way would be for Burnham to work alongside Starmer for a year or so and then have a managed handover.

That's what being PM is all about - accountability. Anybody, no matter what party they support should want that. He talked a good fight but hasn't delivered.

Indeed.

He has a lot to prove.

So far he is showing all the signs of just being another twist in the wind politician with no strong personal convictions.

The number of times he's changed his view on something in the course of the by election campaign is evidence of this.

I think he is just going to tax more, spend more on benefits, fail to secure our defence and law and order and pander to his left wing ideology driven buddies in matters of employment and education.

Thus leading the nation further into decline.

I genuinely hope I am wrong but I see zero evidence.

Glad Burnham won. I’ve thought for years that he’s the best person for PM job as he reflects labour values.
also glad reform got beat!

I think if Reform are to have any chance of winning a GE they need to find better candidates than the one from Makerfield with horrible comments about women buried in his social media just waiting to be uncovered by the media. A lesson for Farage.

Women are 50% of the electorate, at least.

I wanted Burnham to win as he seemed the best of a bad bunch. But I don’t really think he can do a better job as prime minister than Starmer so it’s all a big waste of money really. Personally I would rather see Streeting in charge but Burnham seems more popular amongst those eligible to vote for PM.

That doesn’t explain the vote share though as fewer than 20% of the population pay more tax than they receive back in either benefits or value of services.

You need to be earning well over 50k as a childless individual to not be a burden on the state and over 100k if you have children.

That can be the only reason for the vote. The vast majority are voting for an ever dwindling minority to subsidise them. We are a welfare state with an economy tagged on to it. It won’t end well.

Well who else have they got?

Angela Rayner obviously.

Why do you not want people to better themselves and have some personal responsibility? It’s no wonder the country is in a mess. People thrive on being dependent on the state. It has to end.

I hope we don’t have a sad face life story every time he takes to the podium about his father’s job and how he was brought up in a hovel. It gets a bit wearing