Burnham has won. More turmoil?

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Now Burnham has won, it will trigger a leadership contest, and if he wins, a new chancellor of the exchequer.

Surely this cannot be good for the country, or its finances?

YABU - Burnham is a true leader who will improve the UK for everyone and be a competent and respected leader.

YANBU - FFS, here we go again.

Actually no - but it's interesting you assume that.

To me it is not really about the person but the fact that the party in Government can vote in whoever they want as PM without the people who voted for them having a say. This goes for all parties.
Perhaps Burnham will be good, perhaps he will be a shambles, but either way he wasn't voted in by the people.
I know he was mayor but that doesn't mean he can run the country....I would feel the same if they said Sadiq Khan was going to be PM.

Starmer has made things worse - got rid of the 2 child benefit cap and the winter fuel allowance for pensioners not on credit etc. I don’t know anyone who likes him, whether they’re left or right wing.

Unfortunately for us all, there’s time for this yet.

Obviously not a Starmer fan, but constantly changing leader is a bad sign for the stability of a country.

I imagine Burnham will get in and start doing things that were not in the Labour manifesto which got Labour into power.

Or I am happy to subsidise others who I believe need it.

I know he was mayor but that doesn't mean he can run the country....I would feel the same if they said Sadiq Khan was going to be PM.

We've already tested 'do Mayors make good PMs?' with Boris. I think we all know how well that went.

I’m getting Boris vibes with this

Economically selfish? Isn’t that the people who oppose any tax increases for the rich?

Sticking to the manifesto isn't something Starmer's Labour has done either. And, frankly, some of the manifesto was always going to lead to problems, as they hobbled themselves economically.

Also, Labour's policies have killed growth and youth employment. Nobody expected miracles, but making things worse is really not the way to do it (this relates back to the hobbling).

Boris Johnson wasn't shit because he was Mayor of London, but because he was shit full stop.

Burnham never set the world alight when he was an MP before. Don't kid yourself he won't be shit!

I am quite fascinated though by how Burnham is morphing into Starmer. They have the same looks and mannerisms

Yes, Farage wants to be PM only to be able to say that he has been the PM. He would consider the job done on day one. The fact that people don't see this amazes me. He doesn't give a fuck about his average voter - he'd actively avoid most of them if he wasn't courting their vote. What does an upper class man who went to public school have in common with the average working /underclass white Brit? Absolutely nothing. He probably considers them to be idiotic proles. The only person Farage cares about is Farage, oh and maybe his donors too.

I agree with all of this BUT Burnham is so much better at communicating political messages to people who are only partially engaged on a ‘vibes’ basis that I have some slim hope that he will improve the general perception of government success. Plus there is a lot of time for Reform to trip themselves up badly too. A good World Cup, some economic growth (not impossible as we’re on the upswing) and things might be different. But your analysis is also highly possible

But who will replace her?

Please not Ed Milliband.

They’ve always had the same look to be fair. A whole cadre of middle aged BBC6Music dads do.

We've always voted for a party to govern us and the members of the party pick their leader. Nothing new in changing PM mid-term. Wilson > Callaghan, Thatcher > Major, before we even get to the post-Brexit merry go round of Tory PMs.

Are we ungovernable? 7th PM in 10 years. I’m quite excited in a self-destructive sort of way. I likes a bit of political mayhem.

Ever since Keir Starmer (Pony Harmer) said ‘The grown ups are in the room’ during his first speech outside No 10 I knew his days were numbered. Pompous arse.

If by ‘the rich’ you’re including those working long hours in stressful and difficult jobs to earn a good salary, then yes, it is economically selfish (and greedy!) to think you can help yourself to more of their earned income. It’s their money! What makes you think you’re entitled to it? Go and earn more yourself….

Oh God imagine Burnham with Trump!! Or Burnham with Netanyahu! 😂😂😂

The fault lies 100% with Starmer. He worked hard to get himself tangled with Mandelson, someone who he was friends with Epstein, had been fired twice from government on serious counts, has all sorts of dodgy dealings, including an interest in Pallantir, company Starmer met while in breach of the Ministerial Code (that, on its own is a sackable offence).
Now, we all suffer the consequences of Starmer's actions.
I am happy that Burham won. I was worried that he would not be elected.

Starmer will have to face the consequences of his actions. It is 100% on Starmer. He has done this to himself.

@TigTails what do you mean by this?

It’s good as the right will realise their mistake and hopefully by the time of the next election there will be more cohesion and Labour will be gone. Although the layabouts with their cushy 9-5 public sector jobs and pensions or even cushier benefits will continue to vote for them regardless!! The rest of us need to really come together. I believe it should be about encouraging and incentivising work, you should subsidise those who need it, but not keep them ‘better off’ through no hard work and progression which is good for no one (apart from Labour itself of course, and also increasingly the Greens).

At least he doesn’t believe in trickle down economics, which is a good start. It’s not simply growth that’s needed to heal the country, it’s tackling financial inequality.

And he won’t take ‘traditional’ Labour voting areas (‘The Red Wall’) for granted, as Blair did, which left people so despondent they were lured by Reform.

He may also benefit from the end of the war in Iran (if the deal sticks), which should help the economy.

We’ve had six PMs since Brexit, which hugely destabilised the economy.