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Burnham has won. More turmoil?

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KatiePricesKnickers · 19/06/2026 05:51

Now Burnham has won, it will trigger a leadership contest, and if he wins, a new chancellor of the exchequer.

Surely this cannot be good for the country, or its finances?

YABU - Burnham is a true leader who will improve the UK for everyone and be a competent and respected leader.

YANBU - FFS, here we go again.

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ClarkeandNewman · 22/06/2026 11:30

CoolGreenBee · 22/06/2026 10:14

I know that's what it includes.

I answered a question.

What's your point?

In that statistic we do have a staggering number of 16-34 year olds economically inactive because they're on long-term sick. About half a million, mostly with them claiming MH reasons or ND.

So the idea they're going to leap into action for a factory job when the taxpayer is paying for them to do nothing seems unrealistic, which is the idea from a particularly poster I was responding to on this thread.

If you want to say there are a lot of young people who aren't in work, education or training, that is a valid point. There is no need to bring personal bias into it and present it as fact. There is no need to bandy about meaningless figures because you believe they bolster your point when, as SadirOflfTyr demonstrates, the truth is more nuanced than you'd have us believe. I would add to the list of the economically inactive unpaid carers, an addition which certainly negates your insinuation that people are lazy, too choosy about what they do and very quick to pretend to be disabled.

KatiePricesKnickers · 22/06/2026 11:31

FFS

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Onmytod24 · 22/06/2026 12:23

ByGraptharsHammer · 19/06/2026 11:52

I would just be happier if both the Labour Party and indeed the Conservatives stopped chasing Reform and their regressive agenda.

Look at who Reform and who they thought would be a good candidate for Makerfield. A foul mouthed man who is happily sexist. That was their choice.

If Labour or the Conservatives cannot beat a party with that sort of low rent and nasty attitude then we are in trouble. All of us.

But labour can beat them and we have done and we will. reform is shrinking. It’s reached its peak and Farage knows that you can see it in his face and the others. They’ll only ever appeal to a small minority.

Abhannmor · 22/06/2026 15:41

Onmytod24 · 22/06/2026 12:23

But labour can beat them and we have done and we will. reform is shrinking. It’s reached its peak and Farage knows that you can see it in his face and the others. They’ll only ever appeal to a small minority.

Neil Kinnock said that he himself was Marmite and John Major was Marmalade. People love or hate Marmite. People like Marmalade or they don't ...but nobody hates it. Thus Major beat him.

So it is with Farage and Lowe. Some people love them of course. But 70pc of the people will plump for nice toast and marmalade candidates. The trick is knowing which one is best placed to stop the Marmite people.

Clavinova · 22/06/2026 15:50

ByGraptharsHammer · 21/06/2026 21:31

All politicians lie. All of them are criticised. Good politicians let it slide. They survive it. Andy Burnham will have to learn to deal with those things. They aren’t terminal for a politician. Look at Trump.

They aren’t terminal for a politician. Look at Trump.

Well in that case, I expect Boris Johnson's return in 2029.

ByGraptharsHammer · 22/06/2026 17:00

Clavinova · 22/06/2026 15:50

They aren’t terminal for a politician. Look at Trump.

Well in that case, I expect Boris Johnson's return in 2029.

Boris Johnson might well return. He had a remarkable Teflon quality. Had he been as capable at delivering he would have been the full ticket.

My point is criticism is inevitable. It’s how you deal with it that makes a PM. Too accepting and people smell blood. Starmer had these technocratic defences which people did not like. And so he looked thin skinned

BIossomtoes · 22/06/2026 17:13

No way would Johnson contemplate a return. He knows being King of the World involves a modicum of work and a shedload of scrutiny now. Once bitten, etc.

MushMonster · 22/06/2026 17:19

Please, no Johnson! Not again.
I already struggle everytime someone mentions Corbys regarding Labpur and Starmer. Who cares what Corbyn thinks? He was such a bad opposition that Johnson won!
At least Starmer won an election.

HRTQueen · 22/06/2026 17:20

BIossomtoes · 22/06/2026 17:13

No way would Johnson contemplate a return. He knows being King of the World involves a modicum of work and a shedload of scrutiny now. Once bitten, etc.

I don’t agree Boris Johnson love’s being in the centre of politics

I wouldn’t put it past him to join Reform

but I don’t think senior Tories would welcome him back, well not now

Loopylalalou · 22/06/2026 17:52

Clavinova · 22/06/2026 15:50

They aren’t terminal for a politician. Look at Trump.

Well in that case, I expect Boris Johnson's return in 2029.

You think Liebore will last that long?

ClarkeandNewman · 22/06/2026 17:55

HRTQueen · 22/06/2026 17:20

I don’t agree Boris Johnson love’s being in the centre of politics

I wouldn’t put it past him to join Reform

but I don’t think senior Tories would welcome him back, well not now

What senior Tories? 🤣

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 17:56

ClarkeandNewman · 22/06/2026 17:55

What senior Tories? 🤣

There's Kemi for one.

And er.... well ... did I mention Kemi?

ClarkeandNewman · 22/06/2026 18:06

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 17:56

There's Kemi for one.

And er.... well ... did I mention Kemi?

Don't forget Kemi!

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 18:17

ClarkeandNewman · 22/06/2026 18:06

Don't forget Kemi!

I don't - she's my favourite Tory. Only partly because the rest of them are a blur.

ClarkeandNewman · 22/06/2026 18:24

Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 18:17

I don't - she's my favourite Tory. Only partly because the rest of them are a blur.

She's pretty much the only Tory tbf.

LBFseBrom · 22/06/2026 23:30

HRTQueen. I don’t agree Boris Johnson love’s being in the centre of politics.
..............

Love's?

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