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AIBU to take our daughter on holiday while DH is unwell and doesnt want me to?

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Atchooch · Yesterday 18:41

This is possibly my longest ever post. I dont know how to shorten it.

DH, DD (15) and me were planning to spend the summer travelling around Europe and had started booking things.

Then DH got very unwell. He has spent most of the last few months in hospital with poor mental health. It became clear he wasn't able to go on the holiday and he expected me to cancel it.

I have refused for the following reasons:
DH's illness has hit DD really hard.
She was really, really excited about the holiday. It's the first time she's been properly excited about something in a long time. She hasn't been abroad since she was 3. She has also had a really tough year.
I think if I cancel because of DH it will really damage their relationship. Maybe that's me being dranatic.
Both DD and I need a break if I'm honest. DH has obviously dominated everything since he became ill and that's fine because it's how it needs to be. However I think it's going to be the case for a long time (possibly forever) so I think we need to minimise the impact where we can.
For the above reason I also think I need to set expectations. We cancelled a few things when he became ill and I dont want that to become the norm as harsh as that sounds. I feel like his illness can't control mine and DDs lives.
I need this. I need to prove to myself that I'll be ok. When he first went into hospital I realised how reliant I was on him and thought I wouldn't cope. That isn't healthy. I meed to prove to myself, and DD (and DH tbh) that I can do things.
DD needs to see that she doesn't need to center her world around what other people want and that she shouldn't let them stop her doing what she wants. It's really important she sees that.
I don't know when DH will be well enough to go a long weekend in the UK again, let alone anything bigger.
Financially, I expect we'll have to rely on my wage going forward so things are going to be very different and I dont know if we can afford it again.
So there is the genuine risk that it's now or never.
It just seems like the right thing to do.

As a compromise the holiday has been shortened to 10 days including travel and we will be sticking to the tourist areas instead of going off to random places like we'd planned.

I do feel awful and guilty and like I'm a bad wife for not putting him first. I do feel like I'm purposely doing sonething that I know will cause him pain. I feel like I'm letting him down and I know I will find the holiday stressful and challenging and it's really scary. Of course I'll spend most of the holiday worrying about him and feeling guilty and worrying about sonething going wrong. So then that makes me wonder why I'm doing it at all.

DH is really angry and upset over it. His anxiety is spiralling. He is feeling like I'm not listening and don't care about the impact it is having on him. He is also resentful because he will need to stay with his family while DD and me are away because he isn't well enough to be by himself.

Although, they have been very little help over the last few months so I dont know what I'll do if they wont let him stay.

They will judge me more than they already do.

My family will judge me. But my parents wouldn't even go on a daytrip alone. It meant that we missed out on things because my mum wouldn't do things if my dad wasnt able to go with her. I dont want that for my DD.

So anyway, I will be taking DD on the holiday and I'll deal with the fallout. But I was just wondering what other people would do? Would you disregard your DH and go on holiday or would you put or DH first? Please be kind. It's really upsetting and whatever I do is wrong.

OP posts:
JLou08 · Yesterday 21:32

Sunandsunshine · Yesterday 20:48

Sorry but this is a load of nonsense.

I haven't commented on the state of OP's marriage at all. I have several times said how much I sympathise with her situation.

I have not tried to enforce my view - I understand that I differ from most pp in my view. I have merely answered pp who have quoted me and disagreed with me.

I assume you think I am being spiteful
because I have said I didn't think OP should go on this holiday? OP asked for opinions and I gave an opinion. I took her at her word and have given an honest opinion - not out of spite but because I thought that was the idea of the thread. You obviously assume everyone should have the same opinion. Life doesnt often work like that.

Your comments have been far from sympathetic, there was even one talking about people being inhumane. There is zero empathy for the child in the situation and no recognition, even after multiple posts saying as much, that it is a huge burden on a child to have a parent with mental health issues and that children should come first.

Monkeymacaroni · Yesterday 21:32

Go! Have an amazing time with your daughter, it’s only 10 days. ❤️

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · Yesterday 21:33

You absolutely must go. No question at all. In fact my only question is whether you should cut it down to ten days.

Your dd absolutely has to know that she matters. Especially as a girl, when they’re so socialised to think men come first from all sides.

If you feel guilty, well try not to. But at least try to make sure your dd doesn’t see it.

Can’t his family step in and look after him (if that’s needed) whilst you’re gone? Pps are mentioning a brother? Or someone through a MH charity - I’m not sure how that would work but others have been suggesting it.

5thchildso · Yesterday 21:36

Onmytod24 · Yesterday 21:25

Rather than asking people on here, can you not ask a member of his team who are looking after him whether it’s a good idea and how safe he will be when his family have gone? Then you can make a decision based on expert opinion rather than that of strangers.

The team won't have an opinion on what the OP or the dd needs though.
There are conflicting needs that have to be balanced here

JLou08 · Yesterday 21:38

Sunandsunshine · Yesterday 20:54

I really don't have anything else to add to what i've said but I think,.given your previously stated experience of people suffering from mental illness,I find your dismissive attitude to this man's mental health and your view that a teenager's holiday takes prescedence extremely perplexing.

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I find your disregard for the needs of children and carers perplexing. It feels like this is personal for you, did you prioritise your own or your spouses mental health over a child? Did someone prioritise a child over your mental health? I'm struggling to get my head round any other reason you would be so defensive of the husband in this situation but not the child.

Strictly1 · Yesterday 21:40

I’m surprised by these responses tbh. I think 10 days is far too long and a few days would be fairer. But you’ve decided and told him so crack on.

Lindy2 · Yesterday 21:41

Your daughter and you need this holiday together. I feel it's very important that you do this.

Your DH isn't well and isn't really capable at the moment of understanding other people's needs.

Please go and have a special time with your daughter and a have a short break from all you've been through recently.

ThePieceHall · Yesterday 21:42

Sunandsunshine · Yesterday 20:54

I really don't have anything else to add to what i've said but I think,.given your previously stated experience of people suffering from mental illness,I find your dismissive attitude to this man's mental health and your view that a teenager's holiday takes prescedence extremely perplexing.

Edited

Why do you find it perplexing? I think it’s more sad that you think it’s okay for a child to martyr herself to her father’s illness. Who does this benefit? I have to keep going as I’m a single adoptive parent of two children so if I’m taken down by another person’s mental illness, who will be there for them - and me? My brother became horribly self-absorbed and controlling with his mental illness, my mother talks to Jesus through her hearing aids and imagines that she has an evil choirmaster living in her attic, my teen cuts herself so badly that I had to take her to A&E last weekend to have stitches and speak to a mental health nurse from the psychiatric unit - I would STILL prioritise the needs of my 10-year-old and try to give her some semblance of a ‘normal’ life.

Sunandsunshine · Yesterday 21:47

ThePieceHall · Yesterday 21:42

Why do you find it perplexing? I think it’s more sad that you think it’s okay for a child to martyr herself to her father’s illness. Who does this benefit? I have to keep going as I’m a single adoptive parent of two children so if I’m taken down by another person’s mental illness, who will be there for them - and me? My brother became horribly self-absorbed and controlling with his mental illness, my mother talks to Jesus through her hearing aids and imagines that she has an evil choirmaster living in her attic, my teen cuts herself so badly that I had to take her to A&E last weekend to have stitches and speak to a mental health nurse from the psychiatric unit - I would STILL prioritise the needs of my 10-year-old and try to give her some semblance of a ‘normal’ life.

That's fair enough .
You are entitled to your opinion and goodness knows I know from my own experience how mental illness affects a family .
I will agree to differ with you .

Morrisons26 · Yesterday 21:59

OP, why is he not getting better? I would say after a few months, medication, then other medication should be tested to help him improve. Is he having therapy as well at the same time? Do you have private health insurance? There are definitely meds that can help him improve. What has he tried so far?

I think you should go, even though it may be very hard for him. You are not his mother and you are not his therapist. He needs to find meds and therapy that works for him.

PeoplesNet · Yesterday 22:02

Atchooch · Yesterday 18:41

This is possibly my longest ever post. I dont know how to shorten it.

DH, DD (15) and me were planning to spend the summer travelling around Europe and had started booking things.

Then DH got very unwell. He has spent most of the last few months in hospital with poor mental health. It became clear he wasn't able to go on the holiday and he expected me to cancel it.

I have refused for the following reasons:
DH's illness has hit DD really hard.
She was really, really excited about the holiday. It's the first time she's been properly excited about something in a long time. She hasn't been abroad since she was 3. She has also had a really tough year.
I think if I cancel because of DH it will really damage their relationship. Maybe that's me being dranatic.
Both DD and I need a break if I'm honest. DH has obviously dominated everything since he became ill and that's fine because it's how it needs to be. However I think it's going to be the case for a long time (possibly forever) so I think we need to minimise the impact where we can.
For the above reason I also think I need to set expectations. We cancelled a few things when he became ill and I dont want that to become the norm as harsh as that sounds. I feel like his illness can't control mine and DDs lives.
I need this. I need to prove to myself that I'll be ok. When he first went into hospital I realised how reliant I was on him and thought I wouldn't cope. That isn't healthy. I meed to prove to myself, and DD (and DH tbh) that I can do things.
DD needs to see that she doesn't need to center her world around what other people want and that she shouldn't let them stop her doing what she wants. It's really important she sees that.
I don't know when DH will be well enough to go a long weekend in the UK again, let alone anything bigger.
Financially, I expect we'll have to rely on my wage going forward so things are going to be very different and I dont know if we can afford it again.
So there is the genuine risk that it's now or never.
It just seems like the right thing to do.

As a compromise the holiday has been shortened to 10 days including travel and we will be sticking to the tourist areas instead of going off to random places like we'd planned.

I do feel awful and guilty and like I'm a bad wife for not putting him first. I do feel like I'm purposely doing sonething that I know will cause him pain. I feel like I'm letting him down and I know I will find the holiday stressful and challenging and it's really scary. Of course I'll spend most of the holiday worrying about him and feeling guilty and worrying about sonething going wrong. So then that makes me wonder why I'm doing it at all.

DH is really angry and upset over it. His anxiety is spiralling. He is feeling like I'm not listening and don't care about the impact it is having on him. He is also resentful because he will need to stay with his family while DD and me are away because he isn't well enough to be by himself.

Although, they have been very little help over the last few months so I dont know what I'll do if they wont let him stay.

They will judge me more than they already do.

My family will judge me. But my parents wouldn't even go on a daytrip alone. It meant that we missed out on things because my mum wouldn't do things if my dad wasnt able to go with her. I dont want that for my DD.

So anyway, I will be taking DD on the holiday and I'll deal with the fallout. But I was just wondering what other people would do? Would you disregard your DH and go on holiday or would you put or DH first? Please be kind. It's really upsetting and whatever I do is wrong.

Everything you just said and for all the reasons you gave. I would go on the holiday, as originally booked, no changes at all and enjoy every minute. Separate to that: I wouldn't call him once or check on him.

Then, when I got home, I would end it with him. Why? Because of his attempt to guilt you into not having a life and trying to negatively impact his daughter.

Plenty of people have mental health issues and wouldn't dream of dragging their family down or blocking them from important life experiences. Your daughter hasn't been abroad since she was 3? And he wants her to cancel? To do what? What precisely are you and his daughter going to do cooped up in the house with him? Tbf I don't have all the details about his issue.

The holiday thing: definitely.

Breaking up is just because I couldn't imagine tolerating behaviour like that ever again so I do jump to telling people to cut all ties ahaha probably not that easy for others!

toomuchgoingonhere · Yesterday 22:05

Wish I had your courage. I think you should go, but I know in your position I would not and I know I’d regret it. But I agree. The kids are also suffering and a few days away would be so good for her. Maybe a week?

Summercocktailsgalore · Yesterday 22:05

Go nd enjoy it.

one of my parents was sectioned when I was doing GCSE’s and I am still affected by what their illness did to me and how I had to live in a house which revolved around that parent alone.

please give your DD happy memories and a break from that atmosphere and dependency.

you are not your dh’s carer, you need to be well enough to work full time.

LadyGaGasPokerFace · Yesterday 22:06

Go with your dd and you also deserve a holiday (break) away from this situation. Just because he’s suffering, don’t let that bring you all down. It must be difficult to live with it all.

Atchooch · Yesterday 22:09

Thank you for all your constructive comments and ongoing support. I will read through them all.

I hoped I'd been vague enough not to link my posts but obviously not!

He was sectioned for 6 weeks for mania. He was discharged although he still wasn't well. Once discharged he crashed and within a few weeks was suicidal. When it became clear it was more than just talking about it the community support did finally kick in and helped him go back into hospital voluntarily. However within a few days they had to use a section 5(4) because he was at immediate risk. So now he is under section 2 for a second time. He has been in a few weeks now and is exactly the same as when he went in. I would have to refuse to have him home at the moment.

That is another reason I'm struggling. If I knew he would still be in hospital when we go away, it would take a lot of stress off me and I wouldn't feel so bad. But I dont know what will be going on. I'm scared that the hospital will rush the discharge while he has somewhere to go.

Our DD did see the mania. When he came home he was very conscious of her and what she saw so hid in our room most of the time. She knew he wasn't well and at times was upset by it. However, I really don't think she knew about the suicidal thoughts. I don't see how she could have. I hope she doesn't.

OP posts:
AMomentOfTruth · Yesterday 22:12

Another one who remembers your previous posts and admired your courage and strength at that time. It sounds as if things aren’t that much better really and prioritising your daughter and yourself seems so important to me. I hope you can have a lovely holiday and let others care for your husband. And if they don’t step up then that is down to them not you.

Hogett · Yesterday 22:12

Please go, you amd your daughter need to live and its awfully hard living with some who has mental health problems. You both need a break

Blindbobisagreatcat · Yesterday 22:14

Morrisons26 · Yesterday 21:59

OP, why is he not getting better? I would say after a few months, medication, then other medication should be tested to help him improve. Is he having therapy as well at the same time? Do you have private health insurance? There are definitely meds that can help him improve. What has he tried so far?

I think you should go, even though it may be very hard for him. You are not his mother and you are not his therapist. He needs to find meds and therapy that works for him.

It's not that simple. Some people don't get better. Sometimes there is no cure and medication and therapy may calm things down for a time but that's as good as it's ever going to get.

ThePieceHall · Yesterday 22:22

Atchooch · Yesterday 22:09

Thank you for all your constructive comments and ongoing support. I will read through them all.

I hoped I'd been vague enough not to link my posts but obviously not!

He was sectioned for 6 weeks for mania. He was discharged although he still wasn't well. Once discharged he crashed and within a few weeks was suicidal. When it became clear it was more than just talking about it the community support did finally kick in and helped him go back into hospital voluntarily. However within a few days they had to use a section 5(4) because he was at immediate risk. So now he is under section 2 for a second time. He has been in a few weeks now and is exactly the same as when he went in. I would have to refuse to have him home at the moment.

That is another reason I'm struggling. If I knew he would still be in hospital when we go away, it would take a lot of stress off me and I wouldn't feel so bad. But I dont know what will be going on. I'm scared that the hospital will rush the discharge while he has somewhere to go.

Our DD did see the mania. When he came home he was very conscious of her and what she saw so hid in our room most of the time. She knew he wasn't well and at times was upset by it. However, I really don't think she knew about the suicidal thoughts. I don't see how she could have. I hope she doesn't.

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Please, talk to the hospital and the AMHP. You CAN refuse to have your husband home. As you say, he is in the best place for him currently. It’s a marathon and not a sprint. Prioritise the needs of your daughter. I find it interesting that you say that your DH could hide his mania around your DD, so at some level he is very conscious of the effects of his actions.

mummypigoink · Yesterday 22:24

Another one who remembers your previous thread. You have tried so hard OP to do what is for the best for your husband. But your daughter has had a lot to deal with too. As have you. And you still have some way to go for him to be better. So I’m another vote for yes go on holiday with your daughter. You both still matter too.

Atchooch · Yesterday 22:25

I would also add that he is a good man. The guilt trip and anger isn't him when he is well. He is scared and genuingely absolutely terrified that something will happen to us. He is struggling with everything right now and this has become a bit of a focus. I can see why it looks like emotional blackmail but I dont think he means it like that.

OP posts:
Yesreallyitsme · Yesterday 22:27

You sound like a wonderful parent, go on the holiday. I hope you have a great time.

Atchooch · Yesterday 22:29

ThePieceHall · Yesterday 22:22

Please, talk to the hospital and the AMHP. You CAN refuse to have your husband home. As you say, he is in the best place for him currently. It’s a marathon and not a sprint. Prioritise the needs of your daughter. I find it interesting that you say that your DH could hide his mania around your DD, so at some level he is very conscious of the effects of his actions.

Sorry, no his mania was well, mad and I had to take her to a hotel for the night. He had no self awareness which was the main reason he was sectioned. When he came out he very quickly became depressed. He hid that from her as much as he could. He does have self awareness now and he knows how ill he is.

OP posts:
mummypigoink · Yesterday 22:30

Kindly, if it’s not this, it will be something else. That’s the nature of his illness. You’ve been very honest and said how this is going to make life challenging going forward. Take this holiday while you can. All the best OP.

76evie · Yesterday 22:35

RoseField1 · Yesterday 18:44

Are you the poster who's DH was sectioned and DD is autistic?
Mental illness is awful for the sufferer and the family. It's not ok to put your lives on hold. You need to prioritise your DD.

I was going to ask this too, as if you are I remember your posts and say you should
absolutely take your daughter away.

Hope you are doing ok.

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