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Poor soul having to manage his own childcare...

219 replies

Diamondcushions · 17/06/2026 19:02

I know IAB and I'm sure his current situation is difficult and painful, but in the last week I've been in two meetings with a very senjor man who manages a large workforce, and who is going through a separation. They've gone for 50/50 and there are soooo many things he can't possibly do, that he used to do, because childcare.

It's like watching a cartoon lightbulb moment.

OP posts:
DramaAndBullshit · Yesterday 13:08

Lurkingandlearning · Yesterday 00:09

I thought the OPs point was that women are expected to fulfil their entire roles at work regardless of their parenting arrangements.

It was. It rapidly descended into NAMALT…..

I’m still regularly astounded at the levels of cognitive dissonance and internalised sexism I see everywhere, despite clear evidence of widespread systemic sexist fuckery.

99bottlesofkombucha · Yesterday 14:56

Cosimarocks · Yesterday 10:32

Absolutely! It’s almost as if they’re forcing the narrative to prove their point that all fathers are useless, deadbeat horrors. Any examples of decent fathers or of couples that manage to make co-parenting work are rubbished and disbelieved.

According to @99bottlesofkombucha there’s a whole continent of mothers who know better than the rest of us. Perhaps we should come up with a collective noun for a group of people who live in a world of absolute certainty; who know that they are better than everyone else and that they also know that the rest of the world is out to get them. Perhaps ‘Americans’ will work as a holding term.

The absolute certainty that because they’ve experienced a bad apple and maybe know of a few others means that this means that half the population are shits is bizarre, sad and a little worrying.

I can’t stand the rubbishing of fathers, it’s a terrible message we’re giving our children. And too the idea that going from parenting as a couple to parenting alone barely impacts most women and yet sends men into free fall, isn’t only attacking fathers, but it’s rubbishing the reality of the extraordinary things ALL single parents do.

I’m the child of divorced parents who both did incredible jobs in difficult circumstances (and, as it happens, who divorced not because my father was a dreadful shit who did nothing around the house and had affairs at every opportunity, but because my mother - who I admit still managed to do an extraordinary job of parenting - was a difficult person with huge issues that eventually broke up three marriages and ended up by pushing away everyone she knew, bar me, though she did her best to). My father was a wonderful Dad. No saint, as flawed as all of us and he didn’t do everything perfectly, but a wonderful Dad. Between him, my mother, my grandparents (yes… even the grandfathers!!!) they created a wonderful thing out of difficult circumstances. For all their issues they shielded me from the worst and gave me a very happy childhood.

I know many, many, single parents (either wholly alone or divorced and now splitting time). Absolutely, there are examples of some terrible or absent parents in there, but mostly they are just people doing their best under difficult circumstances. And some wonderful fathers in there too.
I know, for instance, an extraordinary father who lost his wife, and who’s child lost their mother, two days after birth. Through grief and the shock of loss and of becoming a parent, he has (with some brilliant family support- though both families were based over seas) managed somehow to become a father to a wonderful child. He has navigated his loss and his child’s and learnt to be father (and mother) under tragic circumstances. Yet, according to the certainty of a certain group on here, for all that, because he’s a father, he’s a feckless arsehole.

I also have known two stay at home mothers who became single parents, one through divorce and one through the death of her husband. The window had a wonderful hands on dad as a partner, the one who divorced her husband had married a pratt. Both had done the majority of childcare. Both found the adjustment to single parent life massive. They managed extraordinarily. But to suggest that’s it’s anything other than a huge change belittles what they managed. Going from a two parent household to 100% parenting is a massive thing. No breaks, no one to talk to, childcare 24/7. I think they’re brilliant and I have no idea how they do it.

The last unpaid cms estimate in the uk is £690m, and that doesn’t capture the amount not measured nor does it capture the dads who suddenly think they should have 50/50 despite this being no reflection of their parenting role to date. This is nearly if not 100% owed by dads. Do you think that’s one dad in this subset who’s a bit shit? 100 bad egg dads who owe £690,000 each? Or is it 1000s upon 1000s… a statistically significant chunk not just of this subset but of all the single dads out there in the uk.

there are plenty of good dads, and I know many, including some active loving single dads who spend their whole life supporting their kids. But the stats tell the wider story. Celebrate the good men you know, flag them to your kids, but don’t kid yourself.

I don’t understand your examples of 100% parenting. Yes that’s so endless and hard and I just don’t know how those parents do it. But by definition that’s not what a dad doing 50/50 is doing, so ok then?

Cheeseandolivesplease · Yesterday 17:32

I'm a mum of three - and I can honestly - hand on heart - say that being a parent has rarely impacted upon my career.
I haven't allowed it to.
I'm not Priority 1 on the list. My child is sick - call father first. He is excellent at dealing with the necessary and my line of work isn't a "drop and run" sort of job. I refuse to accept the mother as default parent baloney.
Women need to stop being doormats if they have partners who are also perfectly capable parents!

partmermaidpartplant · Yesterday 18:06

ChilledProsecco · 17/06/2026 19:16

I hope this sets a standard in your workforce OP & Mr Big Job champions flexible working etc.

The only way things will get better in the workforce for women is when men actually bloody step up.

So true - all this bullshit that women can fix not being promoted etc etc

no- the men need to change things, and they don’t want to. So therefore no material progress in 30 year except birth rates plummeting

yah funny that

Cheeseandolivesplease · Yesterday 18:42

@partmermaidpartplant We can challenge the "not being promoted" by not being the "doormat" default parent in our places of work.

partmermaidpartplant · Yesterday 19:02

Yes @Cheeseandolivesplease 100% agree but that mean you have children with a man who does 50% (at least, if not more as men get away with a lot more childcare before it harms their careers)

most women don’t in this country. The women in well paid jobs can out source the work their husbands don’t do. I think the Scandinavian countries do much better but there is like 20 million of them in total which must must affect it

all in all - women can’t fix it

Solaitt · Yesterday 19:11

sweeneytoddsrazor · 17/06/2026 19:19

It's very different being a parent with 2 in the house and clearly he wasn't doing an equal share of parenting. The thing we don't know is was his partner doing an equal share of financial providing alongside the childcare

She was probably doing all the cooking, cleaning, food shops, laundry, school runs, doctors apts, dentist apts, parents evenings, swimming lessons, packed lunches, school trip forms, uniform shopping, etc. etc.

Theworldsgonemadagain · Yesterday 19:15

This is pretty normal isn't it? One parent usually does more of the picking up and dropping off of the children. It doesn't mean one is more important than the other and it doesn't mean he was a shit dad before for earning a wage and providing for his kids. Being snarky about someone going through a divorce is not a nice trait.
As for the comments about dead beat dad's, I see at least a third of parents picking up kids in my kids school are men.

Babyboomtastic · Yesterday 19:29

Cheeseandolivesplease · Yesterday 18:42

@partmermaidpartplant We can challenge the "not being promoted" by not being the "doormat" default parent in our places of work.

Unless he's doing almost all of it, and he's stuck with being the default parent, I think it's going to affect both people's careers, is it's shared, even if to a lesser extent. It's whether two people take a smaller hit or one person takes a larger hit. It's hard to be an involved parent and it not have any impact at all unless you get very lucky with the children and job in question.

Cheeseandolivesplease · Yesterday 19:55

@partmermaidpartplant Absolutely my husband shares the childcare equally - why wouldn't he? I wouldn't put up with a husband who failed to do so. One of the (many) reasons as to why he is my second husband!
The first one was under the impression our shared children were far more my "responsibility" than his for some reason during the marriage (I imagine the same as many men, unfortunately).

SemiRetiredLoveGoddeess · Yesterday 20:01

backformoreofthesame · 17/06/2026 19:26

I think the point is that the senior man now understands why sometimes people are not around at 7pm on a Friday evening to double check the report

Bravo. Once a man has validated a certain thing. It is now accepted by the rest of the Human Race that it must then be true.

Sharptonguedwoman · Yesterday 20:14

Ilovemyfam · 17/06/2026 19:09

Good for him to ask for 50/50 and prioritizing his children.

Does it mean he doesn't have to pay child support maybe?

99bottlesofkombucha · Yesterday 22:16

Cheeseandolivesplease · Yesterday 17:32

I'm a mum of three - and I can honestly - hand on heart - say that being a parent has rarely impacted upon my career.
I haven't allowed it to.
I'm not Priority 1 on the list. My child is sick - call father first. He is excellent at dealing with the necessary and my line of work isn't a "drop and run" sort of job. I refuse to accept the mother as default parent baloney.
Women need to stop being doormats if they have partners who are also perfectly capable parents!

We share the load and it impacts both of our work days every week, that seems fair to
me. It’s impacted my career because I pour so much into my dc, and I think probably my dhs too, but that’s ok. I have an awesome boss who understands the family juggle and does a lot for his kids too.

Cheeseandolivesplease · Yesterday 22:25

@99bottlesofkombucha That seems reasonable.
I guess it also depends to some extent the nature of the jobs worked by parents?
My husband's job is far more flexible than mine and he is still paid, for example, if he had to take off time to collect/look after for a while our little one whereas I would not be.
Hence why he is Priority 1 on the list.
But what I would never accept is a partner who refused to share any of the responsibility for care - totally unreasonable!

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · Yesterday 22:32

If me and my husband split I would definitely have to make some changes to how I do things and I will have less flexibility on some days and more on others (assuming we go 50:50). That doesn’t mean I don’t do my share now

Lurkingandlearning · Today 00:13

DramaAndBullshit · Yesterday 13:08

It was. It rapidly descended into NAMALT…..

I’m still regularly astounded at the levels of cognitive dissonance and internalised sexism I see everywhere, despite clear evidence of widespread systemic sexist fuckery.

I was surprised at the turn this thread took as OP was clearly talking about a workplace issue. And I agree with you and would like to add some thoughts I have.

Cognitive dissonance often stems from fear. I think a lot of times when NAMALT is trotted out it is because it is comforting to hang on to that. It is less troubling to think there are just some "bad apples" as @Cosimarocks suggested, than to give any real thought to evidence, and certainly not the life experience stories of other women.

I think discounting other women's experiences often comes from something more insidious than fear. It sometimes comes from a "people like us" mindset. That rather smug assumption that if they, and the people in their circle, don't experience those things then the people who do are "less than" in some way.

Although I can understand these very human weaknesses, I do wonder what these women want for their daughters.

99bottlesofkombucha · Today 00:23

Cheeseandolivesplease · Yesterday 22:25

@99bottlesofkombucha That seems reasonable.
I guess it also depends to some extent the nature of the jobs worked by parents?
My husband's job is far more flexible than mine and he is still paid, for example, if he had to take off time to collect/look after for a while our little one whereas I would not be.
Hence why he is Priority 1 on the list.
But what I would never accept is a partner who refused to share any of the responsibility for care - totally unreasonable!

Absolutely, dh can’t work well from home and has a long commute so I do do more of the pick up and drop off, but he has to leave work quite early to do the ones he does. If I have an important early meeting he starts late.

TheDevilWears · Today 02:40

My exH was a ‘hands on Dad’ until we separated…then he stopped being a Dad of any description overnight.

nananaheyhey · Today 02:55

TheDevilWears · Today 02:40

My exH was a ‘hands on Dad’ until we separated…then he stopped being a Dad of any description overnight.

I knew someone who had something similar happen to them. Great dad and husband in every possible way - his now ex-wife said you couldn't fault him. Then one day he just walked out and never had any contact with his kids ever again - not so much as a birthday or Christmas card or any acknowledgement that they existed in his eyes at all. It was devastating for them all. I'm so sorry this happened to you.

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