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Poor soul having to manage his own childcare...

219 replies

Diamondcushions · 17/06/2026 19:02

I know IAB and I'm sure his current situation is difficult and painful, but in the last week I've been in two meetings with a very senjor man who manages a large workforce, and who is going through a separation. They've gone for 50/50 and there are soooo many things he can't possibly do, that he used to do, because childcare.

It's like watching a cartoon lightbulb moment.

OP posts:
bigboykitty · Yesterday 00:24

Is Samantha Brick on Mumsnet now? 🤦🏻‍♀️

TangerineUnicorn · Yesterday 00:32

Dimms · 17/06/2026 19:11

Yes, it’s really nice to hear.

Hahahahaha

ReadingSoManyThreads · Yesterday 00:35

I really hope he went for 50/50 because he actually wanted to parent his children half of the time, and not to dodge CMS on his big job salary.

I hope his ex is ok with the arrangement and financially, if her income had been disadvantaged through child raising.

socialdilemmawhattodo · Yesterday 01:15

JLou08 · 17/06/2026 19:51

The pessimist in me thinks that would have been to avoid child maintenance. I'd expect that an equal parent would have already had to make adjustments for childcare prior to separation. It sounds like thinking about childcare is brand new to this man.

I totally agree this is almost certainly about maintenance and nothing else. Some very naive people on this thread.

rwalker · Yesterday 04:11

socialdilemmawhattodo · Yesterday 01:15

I totally agree this is almost certainly about maintenance and nothing else. Some very naive people on this thread.

Based on what?

fuckeditupbadly · Yesterday 07:00

LlynTegid · 17/06/2026 20:26

I get what the OP is witnessing.

Me too. We have a manager at my place that would schedule things that were v difficult for me and other SPs to manage. Then his wife became v successful and was away a lot. All of a sudden, meeting times changed to allow him to do the school run, finished early, had lots of notice and frequently he just wasn't there or was late.

BlushingBrightly · Yesterday 08:15

rwalker · Yesterday 04:11

Based on what?

Based on: men?

99bottlesofkombucha · Yesterday 09:07

Cosimarocks · 17/06/2026 23:38

You’re just making assumptions based upon an inability to actually understand how single parenting works. A single parent does 100% of parenting on the days they have the children. Anyone taking that on will have to adapt massively. There seem to be an awful lot of rather nasty mean spirited and frankly thick people commenting on this thread who lack the capacity to do simple maths.

Hope that makes sense.

I wouldn’t have to adapt massively as I already pick up and drop off a couple of days a week despite also working full time. My husband who is actually a very engaged and hands on dad would still have to adapt massive-fucking-ly. Ditto with most working mums I know.

99bottlesofkombucha · Yesterday 09:09

TY78910 · 17/06/2026 23:07

It’s an interesting take because I have a DH who is in a very senior position. He does not switch off from work, it comes with the territory. The trade off of course is that I take on a lot of the household and childcare responsibilities, but he brings the paycheck that comes with the seniority. If heaven forbid we were to separate, I can see how he wouldn’t be able to handle 50/50 all at once - it would have to be a lifestyle change for him. And undoubtedly it’ll be a lifestyle change for both the man you’re talking about and his ex wife.

If he’s a good man who loves the kids he would either change jobs or not pretend he can handle it and chuck them with Nannie’s to avoid paying you cms.

99bottlesofkombucha · Yesterday 09:10

Cosimarocks · 17/06/2026 23:52

It must be very lonely living with the belief that everyone is so awful.

its actually a very big friendly continent packed with realists who’ve seen a little of life and human nature. But if thinking it’s lonely makes you feel better go right ahead.

TY78910 · Yesterday 09:26

99bottlesofkombucha · Yesterday 09:09

If he’s a good man who loves the kids he would either change jobs or not pretend he can handle it and chuck them with Nannie’s to avoid paying you cms.

Where has OP said anything about avoiding to pay CMS or sticking the kid with a nanny 😂😂😂 this is a narrative that bitter posters have spun.

You don’t possibly know why they’re going for this arrangement - it could have been driven by the mother as much as the father because of her own working arrangements. Maybe that’s what the DC want. Maybe they’ve literally just started the proceedings and he’s actively looking for a new job.

I have a little moan at work about how tired I am or whatever when DH is working internationally. Not because I’d change anything, or I can’t handle it, or I’m being resentful of the situation. It’s because I love a moan. Why can’t he have a moan 😂

99bottlesofkombucha · Yesterday 09:32

TY78910 · Yesterday 09:26

Where has OP said anything about avoiding to pay CMS or sticking the kid with a nanny 😂😂😂 this is a narrative that bitter posters have spun.

You don’t possibly know why they’re going for this arrangement - it could have been driven by the mother as much as the father because of her own working arrangements. Maybe that’s what the DC want. Maybe they’ve literally just started the proceedings and he’s actively looking for a new job.

I have a little moan at work about how tired I am or whatever when DH is working internationally. Not because I’d change anything, or I can’t handle it, or I’m being resentful of the situation. It’s because I love a moan. Why can’t he have a moan 😂

Maybe it is driven by the mother, if so good on her. It is not at all the same as moaning because your dh is away as that’s clearly temporary and shows how much they usually do. They've gone for 50/50 and there are soooo many things he can't possibly do, that he used to do, because childcare.
this on the other hand shows it’s a whole new experience for him and a shock. Whereas my dh can’t play football every week because we have kids and I have a job and we have to balance things, so he would be most un shocked.

JHound · Yesterday 09:35

I am with you OP. Shows how little he was doing before his split.

HumberSquid · Yesterday 09:42

socialdilemmawhattodo · Yesterday 01:15

I totally agree this is almost certainly about maintenance and nothing else. Some very naive people on this thread.

It's funny, men that do EOW and a night in the week get railed at for being useless, unengaged fathers who leave the majority of the work and cost of bringing up children to their ex-wives. Meanwhile men who do 50:50 are all cheapskates wanting to avoid paying maintenance (because having the children 50% of the time is so cheap apparently).

What is the golden ratio of childcare:child maintenance payment that mumsnet considers acceptable in a father I wonder? Because it does seem a little bit like they cant win whatever they do.

HumberSquid · Yesterday 09:47

socialdilemmawhattodo · Yesterday 01:15

I totally agree this is almost certainly about maintenance and nothing else. Some very naive people on this thread.

What level of maintenance do you have to pay before its more expensive than actually providing for your children part time? From what I can see maintenance payments in no way reflect the true cost of bringing up a child.

bigboykitty · Yesterday 09:48

HumberSquid · Yesterday 09:42

It's funny, men that do EOW and a night in the week get railed at for being useless, unengaged fathers who leave the majority of the work and cost of bringing up children to their ex-wives. Meanwhile men who do 50:50 are all cheapskates wanting to avoid paying maintenance (because having the children 50% of the time is so cheap apparently).

What is the golden ratio of childcare:child maintenance payment that mumsnet considers acceptable in a father I wonder? Because it does seem a little bit like they cant win whatever they do.

That's really quite funny. The ideal scenario is that the father was an involved parent before the separation and remains so afterwards. Unfortunately that's quite rare. So many fathers have little to no involvement before separation and suddenly want 50/50 after realising how much child maintenance they will have to pay (and it's really not a lot). But sure bro, poor menz, they just can't get it right.

minipie · Yesterday 09:53

Exactly @bigboykitty. 50/50 all along is great. No issues with that at all.

But 50/50 only after splitting, having done relatively little before then, is suspicious. If he wanted to see his kids so much, why wasn’t he doing 50/50 all the previous years? Tends to suggest it’s either a CMS ploy or to spite the ex wife.

HumberSquid · Yesterday 10:14

bigboykitty · Yesterday 09:48

That's really quite funny. The ideal scenario is that the father was an involved parent before the separation and remains so afterwards. Unfortunately that's quite rare. So many fathers have little to no involvement before separation and suddenly want 50/50 after realising how much child maintenance they will have to pay (and it's really not a lot). But sure bro, poor menz, they just can't get it right.

Well you see I disagree. I think its perfectly fine for a couple to split earning and childcare responsibilities asymmetrically if it suits them. Do you get as much fun sneering at newly single mothers needing to up their hours to make ends meet I wonder?

Cosimarocks · Yesterday 10:32

HumberSquid · Yesterday 09:42

It's funny, men that do EOW and a night in the week get railed at for being useless, unengaged fathers who leave the majority of the work and cost of bringing up children to their ex-wives. Meanwhile men who do 50:50 are all cheapskates wanting to avoid paying maintenance (because having the children 50% of the time is so cheap apparently).

What is the golden ratio of childcare:child maintenance payment that mumsnet considers acceptable in a father I wonder? Because it does seem a little bit like they cant win whatever they do.

Absolutely! It’s almost as if they’re forcing the narrative to prove their point that all fathers are useless, deadbeat horrors. Any examples of decent fathers or of couples that manage to make co-parenting work are rubbished and disbelieved.

According to @99bottlesofkombucha there’s a whole continent of mothers who know better than the rest of us. Perhaps we should come up with a collective noun for a group of people who live in a world of absolute certainty; who know that they are better than everyone else and that they also know that the rest of the world is out to get them. Perhaps ‘Americans’ will work as a holding term.

The absolute certainty that because they’ve experienced a bad apple and maybe know of a few others means that this means that half the population are shits is bizarre, sad and a little worrying.

I can’t stand the rubbishing of fathers, it’s a terrible message we’re giving our children. And too the idea that going from parenting as a couple to parenting alone barely impacts most women and yet sends men into free fall, isn’t only attacking fathers, but it’s rubbishing the reality of the extraordinary things ALL single parents do.

I’m the child of divorced parents who both did incredible jobs in difficult circumstances (and, as it happens, who divorced not because my father was a dreadful shit who did nothing around the house and had affairs at every opportunity, but because my mother - who I admit still managed to do an extraordinary job of parenting - was a difficult person with huge issues that eventually broke up three marriages and ended up by pushing away everyone she knew, bar me, though she did her best to). My father was a wonderful Dad. No saint, as flawed as all of us and he didn’t do everything perfectly, but a wonderful Dad. Between him, my mother, my grandparents (yes… even the grandfathers!!!) they created a wonderful thing out of difficult circumstances. For all their issues they shielded me from the worst and gave me a very happy childhood.

I know many, many, single parents (either wholly alone or divorced and now splitting time). Absolutely, there are examples of some terrible or absent parents in there, but mostly they are just people doing their best under difficult circumstances. And some wonderful fathers in there too.
I know, for instance, an extraordinary father who lost his wife, and who’s child lost their mother, two days after birth. Through grief and the shock of loss and of becoming a parent, he has (with some brilliant family support- though both families were based over seas) managed somehow to become a father to a wonderful child. He has navigated his loss and his child’s and learnt to be father (and mother) under tragic circumstances. Yet, according to the certainty of a certain group on here, for all that, because he’s a father, he’s a feckless arsehole.

I also have known two stay at home mothers who became single parents, one through divorce and one through the death of her husband. The window had a wonderful hands on dad as a partner, the one who divorced her husband had married a pratt. Both had done the majority of childcare. Both found the adjustment to single parent life massive. They managed extraordinarily. But to suggest that’s it’s anything other than a huge change belittles what they managed. Going from a two parent household to 100% parenting is a massive thing. No breaks, no one to talk to, childcare 24/7. I think they’re brilliant and I have no idea how they do it.

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 10:57

If the man in OP’s scenario is on a very high salary and their ex is not, he still may end up paying some CMS even if 50:50 to even up living standards of DC. It is not always a means of getting out of paying CMS.

Also if men are trying to get out of CMS rather than seeing their DC more, don’t they just offload childcare to their new partner of the grandmother, so won’t really be impacted by having to do childcare (or parenting)

arethereanyleftatall · Yesterday 11:08

This is where real life for me differs so so much for me to some on mumsnet. I think it’s probably a lot to do with one’s age. In real life I’m mostly friends with my own age 40-60 ish whereas mumsnet is the whole spectrum.
age 20/30 I thought men were wonderful
age 40/50 I do not
at age 20/30 I probably thought women who are 40/50 were bitter too
now I’m there myself, I’m not at all, not lonely, not bitter, I just have my eyes open to reality, and im blissfully content and peaceful. With zero exceptions, the women I’m friends with who are still married, are only married due to finances/logistics and would love my life. Oooh actually I’ve just remembered, I do know one happy couple, and good for them.
there are obviously going to be good men out there, but as a general rule they’re not the ones who are divorced and suddenly realising they have to parent their own kids.

HumberSquid · Yesterday 11:36

I think your eyes are open to your reality @arethereanyleftatall -which I guess is true for most of us. Needless to say, at 58 my version of reality doesnt really match yours at all. If most of us are less idealistic than we once were, most of us -single, divorced or married- are able to see our own feet of clay along with those of the men in our lives.

arethereanyleftatall · Yesterday 11:53

Well, not just mine @HumberSquid, but also those of my friends, work colleagues, neighbours etc. maybe rl women talk to me more about it because they know I’m divorced and happy, so want to start exploring options, so maybe my lived experience is skewed. I wonder if you’re one half of the only happy LTR couple I know!

Rachelshair · Yesterday 12:57

bigboykitty · Yesterday 09:48

That's really quite funny. The ideal scenario is that the father was an involved parent before the separation and remains so afterwards. Unfortunately that's quite rare. So many fathers have little to no involvement before separation and suddenly want 50/50 after realising how much child maintenance they will have to pay (and it's really not a lot). But sure bro, poor menz, they just can't get it right.

Come on now, child maintenance is a lot cheaper than the actual costs of having the kids 50% of the time, the amounts on offer are paltry! Much easier to pay up and keep life pretty much child free, if you're looking for an easy life as a divorced dad/mum.

IlikebigboatsandIcannotlie · Yesterday 13:02

Rachelshair · Yesterday 12:57

Come on now, child maintenance is a lot cheaper than the actual costs of having the kids 50% of the time, the amounts on offer are paltry! Much easier to pay up and keep life pretty much child free, if you're looking for an easy life as a divorced dad/mum.

Yes but what many men do is get 50/50 on paper and then becoming increasingly flakey about actually having the children, or contributing to any shared costs (school trips /dentistry etc)