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Why does barely anyone my age have kids?

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Quietterry · Yesterday 14:32

I’m 25 and had my first young so she’s 9 now and yes I was very young having her but I’m no longer a spring chicken and looking at my cohort who went to school with me out of 200+ people I can count on one hand who’s had kids.

Im not judging them for it I’m just curious on what changed when my mother was my age practically everyone she knew had kids by 25!

I know there’s different theories on this and they probably all have some merit but I’m leaning towards thinking it’s phones. I heard recently some people spend 8 hours a day on their phones.

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katepilar · Yesterday 15:03

That change happened before phones. It multiple factors, mostly revolving around a position of a woman in society, education, career, being independent of men etc., and life becoming more of a fun game for many young people. Also not thinking of children as someone who you need to be looked after in old age.

Bobosh · Yesterday 15:03

When I had newborns in my early 30s, I treasured the memories of my 20s. I looked back on all my moments of freedom and enjoyment, and they got me through those lonely exhausted early years of being a parent! My kids have left home now, but I still worry about them. My 20s were free of worrying about children and I really I’m glad I had that time.

Frugalgal · Yesterday 15:04

Quietterry · Yesterday 14:32

I’m 25 and had my first young so she’s 9 now and yes I was very young having her but I’m no longer a spring chicken and looking at my cohort who went to school with me out of 200+ people I can count on one hand who’s had kids.

Im not judging them for it I’m just curious on what changed when my mother was my age practically everyone she knew had kids by 25!

I know there’s different theories on this and they probably all have some merit but I’m leaning towards thinking it’s phones. I heard recently some people spend 8 hours a day on their phones.

25 is quite young, especially if you want a stable housing situation before having kids. Years ago that wasn't really an issue

Seagulldancing · Yesterday 15:04

I was 25 when I had DD, it felt like I was 10 years older than one group of Mum, and 10 years younger than the rest. YANBU

Walkyrie · Yesterday 15:04

PfizerFan · Yesterday 15:02

Phones??
I waited until 38 to have my child - more money, job security, our own property...
I also had zero interest in kids until I turned about 35

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Yes but there are downsides - higher rates of SEN, older parents, fewer siblings. This is eventually going to space generations out to the point people have few relatives their own age which is sad, and only a brief period with grandparents.

Mt563 · Yesterday 15:04

Quietterry · Yesterday 14:56

I meant with regards free time to socialise and potentially find a partner.

You're really not listening or understanding.

It wouldn't matter if we were all forced into arranged marriages at 21, people still wouldn't have kids because they couldn't afford them and have other priorities at that age/ before they do.

WannabeMathematician · Yesterday 15:04

PattyBladelll · Yesterday 14:41

'I'm 25' and 'no longer a spring chicken' do not belong in the same sentence

Yeah this is what I thought. How depressing to think you are 25 and you’re not young!

SweeetFannyAdams · Yesterday 15:04

patooties · Yesterday 14:37

lol - I’m going to be very honest but I think I’d rather my 16 year old spend 8 hours a day on a phone than present me with grandchildren that nobody wants or is ready for!

Same!

Neither is good but still, phone usage can be cut down on as the 16 year old grows into adulthood.

MyPurpleHeart · Yesterday 15:04

I'm 38 very soon and I often notice (when scrolling through social media) how many of my old school friends haven't had children. Id say more haven't than have. And there are a lot of us who have just had the one.

Times have changed, its so hard to even get a house these days let alone be able to afford a mortgage plus a life plus kids.

Walkyrie · Yesterday 15:05

Seagulldancing · Yesterday 15:04

I was 25 when I had DD, it felt like I was 10 years older than one group of Mum, and 10 years younger than the rest. YANBU

Haha same. My best friend had her little boy at 26 as well, we both agreed we didn’t fit in with the younger mum crowd, to whom we were ancient, nor to the Lucy and Yak mums in their 40s who considered us teen parents!

PfizerFan · Yesterday 15:05

Walkyrie · Yesterday 15:04

Yes but there are downsides - higher rates of SEN, older parents, fewer siblings. This is eventually going to space generations out to the point people have few relatives their own age which is sad, and only a brief period with grandparents.

Didn't say there weren't downsides, but that's the reason.

Piglet89 · Yesterday 15:05

@Walkyrieit wasn’t intended to be. I’m pointing up what I think to be a really quite silly question from the OP. During the years she was raising her kid, I and my peers were working hard on academics and qualifications. Surely it’s obvious why fewer women her age have kids? They’re building their careers as others have said. And/or they don’t want them as they’ve caught on to how, even if they have a partner, the risk of them ultimately ending up carrying all of the mental load and grunt work associated with the children is high, and they don’t want that.

nearlylovemyusername · Yesterday 15:05

Quietterry · Yesterday 14:41

Yes 9 years ago. I’m asking my why it’s been 9 years and still barely anyone has had kids

Who is / was funding your life choice? did you rely on your partner / parents / benefits? how does this work for you now? are you in full time employment?

Pistachiocake · Yesterday 15:05

A lot of people want to, but want a partner too and they aren't necessarily ready, heard of that a lot. My gynae said it's still best to have them younger, but obviously a lot of people do have children much older.
I feel sorry for young people, with the jobs market difficulty of getting a house, and the fact society doesn't make it easy, and a few generations ago, people could have been reasonably confident that a decent person would want to settle down into a committed relationship.
Anyway, I'm glad it's worked for you OP, and if my kids want to take that path when they're older, hope they get what you have!

Wenttoaweddingonamonday · Yesterday 15:06

Quietterry · Yesterday 15:03

The cost of living and housing is not ideal but decades ago they had loads of kids in a tiny house sharing one room. And no I’m not saying it’s a good idea to hark back to that.

But the lack of socialising because of phones is probably having a bigger effect on society than we think.

Mate, you got pregnant in 2018. Most of your generation were glued to their phones. You have zero idea of life without the internet and phones tbh so I don’t think you can claim to be in a position to theorise about it, much less argue that phones are the reason kids aren’t getting knocked up after chatting to a lad on the back seat off the bus at 16

Happyhappyday · Yesterday 15:06

Quietterry · Yesterday 14:50

They could have done all that 20-30 years ago though? It’s been about 15 years of the smartphone and people now have a portable filler for free time they can take everywhere with them. One Example on the bus/train instead of talking to people and maybe meeting a potential partner, now people just sit looking at their phones.

I am 40 and all my friends parents were at least in their late 20s when they had kids, many well into their 30s. Curious if your experience is with stay at home mums or working mums? Virtually all of my friends parents were professional working parents and most with advanced degrees ( ie, some school beyond uni).

Walkyrie · Yesterday 15:06

SweeetFannyAdams · Yesterday 15:04

Same!

Neither is good but still, phone usage can be cut down on as the 16 year old grows into adulthood.

I don’t think it can be. It seems to give them lifelong anxiety issues. I wouldn’t be pleased if my child became a parent at 16, but if they were say 22, I wouldn’t have the heart attack most posters would on here provided they had a job and their own home. I would prefer that to a life spent anxiously gaming in a box room with dire social skills.

MyPurpleHeart · Yesterday 15:06

Seagulldancing · Yesterday 15:04

I was 25 when I had DD, it felt like I was 10 years older than one group of Mum, and 10 years younger than the rest. YANBU

I was 35 when I had my DD, and all of my immediate friendship group had either teens or young adults going off to uni. It was surreal that they said they felt my dd was like a surrogate grandchild to them

Chipsahoy · Yesterday 15:07

I got married at 22 and had my first baby at 24. Last baby at 34. I was very much younger than other mums with my first baby and there weren’t any smart phones then so it wasn’t that! . With my last (had one in the middle too) I was about the same age as most having first or second.

I think late twenties and early thirties is much more normal for having babies nowadays nothing to do with phones!

Quietterry · Yesterday 15:07

Wenttoaweddingonamonday · Yesterday 15:03

You picked up a lad on the bus when you were 16 and think this is because you weren’t using your phone a lot?

What an unusual take 😅

No that was just an example. I see people just sat scrolling everywhere I go when before they’d be driven by boredom to socialise. I met my child’s father at school but I think today’s kids just scroll at lunchtime (although I know some schools have taken steps to ban this) and incel culture from the internet has caused a rift between boys and girls.

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TidyOchreDeer · Yesterday 15:07
  • It's too expensive
  • Women have more choice over what they want to do with their life
  • It's not the 'done' thing anymore that women have children and make house
  • It's too expensive
  • It's too expensive.

I mean, take a look at the world, racism, hatred and misogyny on the rise. Soaring costs of absolutely everything... a quote that struck me recently:

"A society becomes sick when even its mammals no longer wish to reproduce."'

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · Yesterday 15:07

Quietterry · Yesterday 14:50

They could have done all that 20-30 years ago though? It’s been about 15 years of the smartphone and people now have a portable filler for free time they can take everywhere with them. One Example on the bus/train instead of talking to people and maybe meeting a potential partner, now people just sit looking at their phones.

Do you genuinely believe that people have gone "huh, I COULD have a child but because I can spend my time on this screen, I won't bother?"

Even if they're on their phones for 8 hours a day, there's 16 hours in which they could get themselves/their partners knocked up if that's what they wanted.

I think the answer is that people don't want children at 25 anymore, for a variety of reasons (all valid), and nothing to do with the invention of the smart phone.

clearlyy · Yesterday 15:07

None of my friends have kids and we’re all late 20s/early 30s. Just simply can’t afford them or can’t find someone to have a family with.

Scottishskifun · Yesterday 15:07

Because at 25 my friends and I were just establishing our careers, paying off student debt and having fun. I wasn't financially secure enough for children and I wasn't married which was important to me for security.

I've been with DH since 23 got married at 28 had my first at 32. We definitely enjoyed our adventures together first. The earliest any of my friends had a child was 30 (we are now 40)

SadiraOfTyr · Yesterday 15:08

Because the more educational and career opportunities women have, the fewer children they have, and if they do have children they have them later than previous generations.

This is a pattern we are seeing the world over. Basically, they have more interesting and rewarding things to do.