Bloody sick of men. Oh it’s the immigrants raping and stabbing, NO it’s men. Always fucking men

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That’s my Friday rant.
Far right men thinking they’re sorting everything out with their riots to protect the women. Maybe women should riot about just men.

also I know it’s not all men, but it is men.

Because there are no stats on male violence and ethnicity/culture. These stats are not recorded when crimes are committed. They don’t exist.

well you don't know that, because there's not statistics to show this. No statistics to show otherwise either.

And therein lies the problem.

Two names Rose West, Myra Hindely. Both orchestras of abuse. Then add those nazi female camp guards.

Overall men are much more likely to commit murder but women also can be culprits

Can you link to where you got those figures from please.

If the total number of crimes perpetrated by foreign nationals or men of foreign origin is 2%, surely even a 2% reduction in sexual violence would be an important step forward?

You only mention sexual violence, but what proportion of murders are attributed to foreign nationals or men of foreign origin?

I ask for these figures because they don’t stack up with other figures I have seen. For example, data from the Metropolitan Police and the London Mayors office shows that black men account for approximately 40% to 53% of identified knife crime perpetrators but are approx 13% of the total population.

Obviously that is a mix of more recent immigrants as well as those born here but if there is a commonality in culture that is driving the use of knives, that needs to be looked at more closely.

@HobGobblynne a wider conversation has to be had whether we have a two tier system here when some women have less rights or not

So you had to go back 60 years and 40 years respectively to find those examples. That gives you an idea of the relative rarity.

Mine was quite simple too.

If the goal is to reduce sexual violence, the biggest impact would come from addressing the overwhelming majority of offending, which is domestic. That doesn’t minimise any case involving foreign born offenders but policy focus tends to have the most effect when it targets where the harm actually occurs at scale. Not sure why that’s shocking or offensive.

When people are as outraged at domestic attackers as they are foreign ones, I’ll be convinced that the “concern” for women and children runs deeper than a veil for racism.

"NO it’s men. Always fucking men"

Well by definition it's "always" going to be men "raping and stabbing " because of the legal definition of rape in th UK.

If we're talking about stabbing it's clearly not "always" men. The Belfast incident is in the news but a female student stabbed 2 classmates then her teacher in the neck this week in Manchester.

As you said I haven’t given any figures on knife crime/general crime - only referenced sexual violence.

although will happily admit I copied that from another poster and have no source for it. Having just skimmed google, it looks to be more like 85-90% are UK nationals.

Yes of course 2% less would be a step forward, 1 less would be a step forward. But I can’t think of many other crime prevention strategies that would focus on the group making up the smallest amount of the crimes, while totally ignoring the vast majority of perpetrators.

As I’ve said (quite a few times now), I think ALL men should be targeted if we want to reduce the sexual violence rates - distinguishing between domestic and foreign born is no more than an attempt to sow division for me.

perhaps it’s saltiness because when my own daughter was attacked, no one gave a shit. Barely a rumble in the local paper, let alone people out setting fire to buildings to vent their anger. But if her attacker had been born abroad…? Did that make her experience better because he was born here? Of course not.

perhaps it’s saltiness because when my own daughter was attacked, no one gave a shit. Barely a rumble in the local paper, let alone people out setting fire to buildings to vent their anger. But if her attacker had been born abroad…? Did that make her experience better because he was born here? Of course not.

I’m sorry for what your daughter went through.

You’ve missed a bit though - a large part of the anger is being driven by the fact that foreign men are not being properly punished or not prosecuted at all. There are long lists of excuses made by these rapists and on too many occasions the judges are taking them into account.

The reluctance to prosecute the Pakistani grooming gang perpetrators or to even hold a proper inquiry, alongside the refusal of the government to release the crime data all adds up to a serious problem and a well founded Pete emotion that foreign men are more likely to get away with it.

Thousands more rapes could be stopped if a clear message is sent out to foreign men that a) rape is illegal and they will be prosecuted properly and b) foreign national rapists will be deported. That would focus some minds.

There are so many things this government could be doing to reduce sexual violence against women but they are doing none of them.

I think it’s people. SOME men are capable of terrible violence. SOME men are capable of wonderful kindness and generosity and lots of things in between. And it’s the same for women. They may not express it in the same way but some are capable of the worst and others of the very best.

Speaking of the Pakistani grooming gangs... I was there when that all happened. We told the teachers. They said, we can't do anything, it'll be seen as racist.

We are in the same situation now with these asylum seekers.

They are raping/abusing, but there is a staunch refusal of the people in power to do anything.

And it's women who are suffering.

Exactly. A lot of white virtue signalling and ignoring the published facts. All races commit sexual assault, but afghans are 3-22 times worse for it.

That’s what your algorithm is feeding you. Not to say these things didn’t happen, obviously, but they weren’t the only things that happened.

So did I. I imagine a lot if people did it was disgusting.

I’m well aware of that. But even so, it does seem very very frequent given the supposed small number of asylum seekers.

All races commit sexual crimes but Afghans are the worst and there is the figures.
Per capita they commit the most the most sexual assault.
We have a lot of trouble with them in my area women and girls flashed at they expose themselves, groped and followed and uncomfortable walking the streets.
We shouldn’t be allowing these people in.
I’d a post zapped last night, the OP of this thread reported it.
It gave my opinion real life and they don’t like the truth it seems being spoken.
What are we meant to say oh they are all wonderful nothing to see here, well that’s utter nonsense.
Our life’s turned upside down so men from stone age countries can roam free.
They have child brides and practices with young boys that are hideous so they don’t share our values.
Hopefully Restore or Reform will be in /a coalition of them and all will be deported they want to reverse the Afghan resettlement scheme as it has been so widely abused.

Exactly. And as these men are not stupid - the strong likelihood is that the bad ones will feel empowered to commit crime.

Especially when you consider that punishments here are minuscule compared to the brutal regimes they have left. A few months in a UK prison with an army of ‘yooman rights’ lawyers apparently on standby to fight against things like segregation of terrorists or having their mobile phones confiscated etc.

We can’t deport rapists especially if they have managed to impregnate a British woman as their Article 8 right to family life seems to trump UK women’s (and men) Article 2 right to not be raped or murdered and we barely punish them. I mean, we are even receiving asylum applications from criminals on the run from other European countries - foreign nationals from non EU countries, enter EU country, commit serious crimes then flee to Britain. And people get up in arms when it is pointed out that we are a soft touch.

These guys know that.

But you forget that they were all preventable.

If those men weren’t here, those crimes would not have been committed here.

The government (and EU) are placing the interests of these men over our right to life and safety.

The vast, vast majority of violence is committed by men.

This is true across time, place and culture.

We have significant problems with male violence here in the UK.

Some cultures, while still patriarchal, are democratic and afford many more rights to women. The UK is one of these.

Some cultures afford very few rights to women; some are drenched in misogynist religious culture; some are deeply scarred by horrendous war and violence; there is significant overlap between these societies/cultures.

It is self-evident that bringing men from cultures in which women are seen as of significantly less worth than men + trauma from war and violence + religious and cultural disdain for UK culture including the roles of women in society is likely to result in violence against women and children, as well as violence generally.

At least in theory, the UK government has powers to prevent this additional threat to the safety of people already here in the UK.

It is neither sensible nor practical to say that we should not worry about preventing further male violence from immigrants until we have solved all our existing male violence. Nor
should victims of violence by immigrants be seen as collateral damage in the meantime. This argument is especially stupid when it is obviously a way of protecting the arguer’s political sensibilities.

I work in criminal justice, you'd be amazed by what I see day in day out, those offences are a drop in the ocean, oh and the vast majority of violent and sexual offences are carried out by white British born men

@HobGobblynne there is outrage ? Ex prince Andrew top of the establishment case in point.

Jimmy savilke / west ham man and so on .

However our police force is stretched thin / it can't cope with it's own home grown abusers neither can our social services and all the charities and support systems there is currently a 40 weeks wait for therapy in the NHS.

So why on earth would we import more abuses into this mix ?

But as governments have been trying to do that for years and have clearly failed to make any significant inroads, and we have clearly identifiable groups that are committing far more crimes per capita and don’t actually need to be here, surely it would make sense to deal with them while also trying to engineer whatever miraculous social change you think will make all men less rapey?

Well that would be the case as we live in the UK which is a predominantly white country.

It is per capita; how many crimes are committed per capita …the countries we are talking about are vastly over represented up to 22 times more likely to commit crime than Brits.

If you work in justice you would know this, it’s crimes per capita not totality, that’s a fairly basic concept to understanding what you are looking at.