To let you know the axe and machete girl WAS defending herself against her now convicted attacker.

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A lot of posters here need to see the conclusion of this story about the clearly terrified child, that so many people were quick to be awful about. You all owe this extremely vulnerable child you participated in the defamation of, a massive fucking apology. I'm genuinely so angry about how so many grown women denigrated a hurt and scared child. Her fear was so evident in her voice and demeanor and so many mothers here were quick to throw her under a bus. Well you've all been proven wrong now, with the man she was trying to defend herself from found guilty of assault.

Honestly, just think about what you people did, defending a man who assaulted a child just because she was of a class you deem beneath you. I hope you're very, very ashamed and take stock before more girls like her suffer worse.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/bulgarian-man-guilty-of-assaulting-12-year-old-girl/a/156878498.html

Are we just supposed to roll over and accept harassment and assault? I’m lost for words, genuinely don’t understand what’s happening in this country

Okay.

I don’t know that he did know where she lived. I do know she was 100 yards away from a supermarket, likely with lots of adults in.

People do still get convicted of crimes without the media being involved, I also know that.

Of the people I know who’ve been violently assaulted in the past few years the only one I can think of where the perpetrator was prosecuted was when the man actually died and the perpetrators were stupid enough to actually film it.
And the sentence was an absolute joke when you compare uk prison sentences to other countries it’s insane

I do think there is an issue that children are being criminalised rather than the adults. I read that many survivors of the grooming gangs had dozens of convictions from 13-18. The government is going to be reviewing these as well they should.

It is an ongoing concern though https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86ewvz9nl9o?app-referrer=search

I do wonder if there is an element of lazy policing that goes on / better for their statistics. So if you record a crime of young person carrying an offensive weapon which will then be sent to children’s reporter/ panel. Then that seems like a positive outcome for the police. Whereas reporting child at risk of abuse / prosecution of an adult may not achieve a positive outcome statistically.

From the other thread:

JUSTICE FOR LOLA AND RUBY
12 Sept 2025
https://justice-for-lola-and-ruby.blogspot.com/2025/09/justice-for-lola-and-ruby.html
In the early evening of 23 August 2025, Ilia Kostadinov Belov, alias ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’, who describes himself as a ‘Gypsy gangster’ and originally comes from the central Bulgarian province of Stara Zogana, sexually harassed a group of young girls in Dundee, Scotland. Among the girls were Lola (12) and her sister Ruby (13). When the young girls tried to escape the situation, ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ and a relative of his kicked and punched 13-year-old Ruby, injuring her severely. Only when Ruby's 12-year-old sister Lola intervened with a hatchet and a knife and stood protectively in front of her sister did ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ and his companion end the attack. ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ immediately pulled out his mobile phone, started filming and approached the girls again, harassing Lola in particular, who constantly tried to defend herself and move backwards. However, ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ put Lola in such distress that the girl was once again forced to keep the ‘Gypsy gangster’ at bay with the hatchet and knife she was carrying. When the police arrived shortly afterwards, 12-year-old Lola was arrested instead of the assailant ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’, while ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ was only questioned briefly by the police and then allowed to leave the scene.
The footage went viral, and ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ began portraying himself in the media as the victim of an attack by a 12-year-old girl, while the serious injuries suffered by 13-year-old Ruby as a result of the brutal attack by Ilia Kostadinov Belov, alias ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’, and his accomplice, were concealed from the public by the Police Scotland and the mainstream media:
It took several days and countless alternative media outlets and supporters to counter and correct the lies of the ‘Gypsy Gangster’ and the misinformation of the mainstream media before the world, with the result that ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ and his companion were belatedly but ultimately charged with assault, and above all, Lola was widely rehabilitated in the eyes of the public. Nevertheless, Lola and her family had to move to a new city, mainly because of the massive threats made against the two young girls in the first few days after 23 August, which were due to the inaccurate reporting by the mainstream media.
During our campaign to support Lola in particular, we were often asked, ‘Why does a 12-year-old girl from Dundee carry a hatchet and a knife in her waistband when she leaves the house?’
Our response to that question is as follows:
‘Dundee has got a problem according to the News: Just in January 2025 were five convicted following dedicated investigation into exploitation and trafficking in Dundee. Four men and one woman have been convicted following an extensive investigation into sexual exploitation, human trafficking and the supply of drugs in Dundee (all of the convicted were gypsies from Romania). Dundee also seems to have its own ‘Women's Rape & Sexual Abuse Centre’, probably not for no reason.
According to The Herald is Dundee at the 'top' of the crime list in Scotland. In the year 2023/24, it registered 847 crimes for every 10,000 inhabitants.
The number of sexual crimes doubled in Dundee since 2007 according to the Police Scotland. Datas can be easily researched through OSINT.
The situation is obviously bad enough in some areas of the city that young girls from those areas feel the need to carry knifes and hatchets to protect themselves against grooming gangs and all sort of other criminals and crazy people who stalk them.
The best example for that is Lola and her encounter with the self-styled ‘Gypsy-Gangster’ as Ilia Kostadinov Belov alias ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ describes and represents himself at numerous postings on his social media accounts.’
(MY NOTE: I could not find any evidence that the Bulgarian police operation mentioned below is connected in any way with what happened in Dundee nor any evidence that Ilia Belov aka Fatos Ali Dumana belongs to the "Kalaidzhi" clan or any other clan, although that is certainly possible.)
‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ brought not only himself but also his entire clan onto the radar and thus into the focus of a further investigation into the structures of his clan, which criminal investigators describe as a transnational criminal organisation.
In this context, we would like to announce that the Bulgarian authorities reacted immediately on 25 August, two days after the attack on the girls in Dundee on 23 August, and took the first steps in the form of a ‘police operation’ against one of the settlements that serves as a safe haven in Bulgaria for the clan of ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’:
On 25 August 2025, the settlement, one of the retreat areas of the ‘Fatos Ali’ clan in Bulgaria, was surrounded by the local police and 101 illegally build houses were demolished with bulldozers and excavators in a single morning. Further houses in the settlement were searched, two criminals were arrested, drugs were seized and stolen goods were recovered. The settlement had also illegally tapped into the city's electricity and water supply, a situation that was also put to an end by the local police forces on that day. The Bulgarian Ministry of the Interior had ordered the ‘police operation’.
(The next part about the "Virgin Bride Market" is true though.)
It is worth to mention that a ‘cultural event’ takes place every year in the hometown of Ilia Kostadinov Belov, alias ‘Fatos Ali Dumana,’ that deals with the Gypsy clan to which he belongs:
‘Every spring, the town of Kazanluk in the Stara Zagora region of central Bulgaria hosts a controversial bride market where young virgins are paraded before suitors who bid for them. The market is the largest annual gathering of the 18,000-strong Bulgarian Roma clan of the Kalaidzhi.’
++++++++++
This is horrific!
"Lola and her family had to move to a new city, mainly because of the massive threats made against the two young girls in the first few days after 23 August, which were due to the inaccurate reporting by the mainstream media."
MUM'S FURY Mum of Scots girl vilified as racist for standing up to sex pest demands apology from John Swinney
12 June 2026
Police and the First Minister appeared to suggest the child, then 12, was lying about being attacked by Bulgarian creep Ilia Belov when she brandished the blades.
But it’s claimed this led to her being bombarded with threats and abuse.
Her mother, who was also wrongly branded a crackhead, revealed she even had to send her daughter to stay with a relative after a threat to firebomb their home.

Your premise to which I was responding was, "We also can’t assume that something that happened in Rotherham, miles away from Scotland, would have had any impact on what response they’d have received".

That is either accidentally or deliberately misleading because it was far from only in Rotherham that police repeatedly ignored or criminalised white children being sexually abused because they viewed white working class girls in a particularly negative light (much as the charming "rough as toast" poster) and prioritised not risking being seen as racist over preventing the repeated rape of those girls.

That suggests an endemic police issue certainly not confined to Rochdale.

Both elements of (a) contempt for white working class girls and (b) fear of seeming racist would seem likely to hold just as true when applied to Bulgarian Roma communities as Pakistani communities unless for some reason you think the police suddenly lose their fear of racism accusations when faced with any other ethnic minority but the latter.

The girls could either be reacting to that general climate or may have had very similar personal experiences with the police that made that seem like an unviable channel of help. I don't think that's an unreasonable supposition.

I, like you, think that encouraging girls to carry these sorts of weapons is likely to end with them being hurt more than acting as a protective measure, but I am able to recognise that the reason we are in a situation where they consider it is because they have been repeatedly and disgustingly let down by adults who preferred to abandon children to sexual abuse by predators in order to avoid risking their own reputations to do what was right and protect them.

It is shameful and we need to stop pulling punches and trying to dodge that main issue and its downstream consequences. There's no point trying to clamp down on the symptoms without addressing the cause.

But there cannot be exceptions.

Once it's accepted that it's ok for Person A to carry a knife because they feared being attacked/sexually assaulted/whatever, everyone who wants to walk round the streets with a weapon will claim that's their reason for doing so.

There will always be people who break the law regarding knives and other weapons; letting some people off because they say they needed it to protect themself gives every other fucker a get out.

It would be fine to use the fear factor as mitigation when it comes to sentencing imo. That gives the magistrate/judge the opportunity to take into account that the motive wasn't to use them other than in self-defence/deterrence and reflect that by giving a lower sentence.

I was being ironic in that post, whilst taking the opportunity to have a little dig at the Labour government. Did you wake up without a sense of humour this morning?

The police may have taken their word more seriously had she not had those weapons on her. Waving weapons around is going to lead to bias, and the assumption that you’re violent.

That still doesn't explain how some days after the incident, the media, politicians and other commentators were able to refer to the police having looked at CCTV, and claim that there was nothing to support the allegations made against the two Bulgarians, e.g.

Humza Yousaf
@ HumzaYousaf

[quoting from a news article]

"It is understood that, despite reviewing CCTV and making other inquiries, officers have found nothing to support the allegations made against the two individuals highlighted in the posts." Who would have guessed the far-right were full of bullshit?

Neither does it explain the surreptitious way in which the police reported they had charged the man and his sister;

4 September 2025
Last Wednesday (August 27) a 12-year-old girl was charged with possessing offensive weapons in the Lochee area of the city.
Now, Police Scotland says two more people have been charged in relation to the incident.
They have not identified the man or woman, or shared the nature of the charges.

It’s interesting you see people in the USA talking about teaching their daughters to shoot but in the uk a little girl showing a grown man a knife to scare him off is instantly the bad guy. I get what you’re saying though but not everything has to be a legal discussion about what if everyone else did it.

Im just saying in this individual case it saved her because what the hell else is a little girl meant to do when a grown man is following her around and we have a useless police force?
Mainly because last summer everyone was talking about how this self described gangster king pimp was just an innocent man walking around and she was a vile thug. Now the truth is out and a lot of people are deleting their tweets from last August.

It is wrong to carry weapons outside. Except for Sikhs who say it is for their personal protection. So why shouldn't a young girl who feels threatened by grooming gangs carry one?

Useless hasn't deleted his tweets.

Which Sikhs say they carry knives for personal protection? I must have missed that.

What they should be calling out is that 12 year old girls feel the need to arm themselves for protection against adult men following them around offering to show them “a good time” - it’s not Bangkok’s red light district FFS. 12 year olds shouldn't NEED to carry weapons to feel safe, and if they do, they’re not the ones who should be condemned for that.

This, with bells on!

Some shockingly vile repeated commentors surfaced on here that I'd prefer not to share a planet with.

'Rough as toast'

Jesus.

It says so here:

Basics of Sikhi: Why do Sikhs carry a kirpan?

“A Kirpan is a symbol of justice in Sikhi. It demonstrates the Khalsa’s motivation for justice and freedom. Kirpan serves two purposes. Firstly, it is to defend ourselves and secondly, it is to defend the rights of other people.”

Why don't you read the court reports. It absolutely IS known.

Perhaps you should read the papers or watch the news.

But they don't do they? The young girl who went into Zara in Cabot Circus looking for protection and was assaulted by a gang when staff threw her out.
Adults are scared too and the police don't come!

There are however many adults on this thread talking about how adults should protect children from harm, so I have to assume that if they were presented with a child in distress, they’d help… right?

Otherwise there are lots of people that are all talk.

The police did come to that incident - after the attack. Do we know if anyone rang them before?

We can’t say the police don’t come to incidents they’re not called for.

I also can’t find any public information about what happened in or with Zara, that isn’t just Facebook speculation.

Depends on who is carrying the weapons and the police officer involved, doesn't it?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1932225/uk-riots-stoke-police-mosque

Yes, it very much depends on what whatabout is available.

I can see the merits in this situation of saying this in the hopes of staving off potential violence. I don’t think the police had the numbers to start searching people in a large volatile crowd.

That said I’d expect there to be follow up, Imam / mosque leaders to hand over any offensive weapons left there. Review of cctv footage, warnings and community education on dangers of carrying offensive weapons.