To let you know the axe and machete girl WAS defending herself against her now convicted attacker.

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A lot of posters here need to see the conclusion of this story about the clearly terrified child, that so many people were quick to be awful about. You all owe this extremely vulnerable child you participated in the defamation of, a massive fucking apology. I'm genuinely so angry about how so many grown women denigrated a hurt and scared child. Her fear was so evident in her voice and demeanor and so many mothers here were quick to throw her under a bus. Well you've all been proven wrong now, with the man she was trying to defend herself from found guilty of assault.

Honestly, just think about what you people did, defending a man who assaulted a child just because she was of a class you deem beneath you. I hope you're very, very ashamed and take stock before more girls like her suffer worse.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/bulgarian-man-guilty-of-assaulting-12-year-old-girl/a/156878498.html

No, sorry.

What I meant by “out” was out of the house, already on her person before the attack, not “out” as in out of her trousers showing him it before the attack.

Yes middle class upbringing yes housing association house yes a town.
Yes crime still happens in towns. You haven’t got a monopoly on having an opinion because you grew up in a city and council estate.

You can sit and say she shouldn’t have had a weapon all night but having a weapon saved her from being sexually assaulted so I for one am glad she did

I didn’t. I grew up in a deprived industrial town in the NE, on a council estate- matching front doors and everything!

Middle class people don’t live in HA properties. I’m sorry if I’m the first person to tell you that, but I’m afraid you might actually have been one of us.

Well me and my siblings exist so yes we do. Not everyone who rents is poor.

And people who grew up with more money than you are allowed opinions I’m not sure if you’re aware.

Mmmhm. They are.

I’ve got more money than we had, and I’ve still got opinions.

and her parents being drug addicted and neglectful was also a fact. Fine for you to state facts but not me? Most people would agree they’d rather their tax money go on young parents who spend it on their kids than drug addicts.

Maybe I’m not most people.

I would prefer when we had kids we had some intention of paying for them, if possible to do so.

I would sooner taxes are spent on getting vulnerable people (like addicts) the support they need to better their situation, than on people having multiple kids and not getting out to work.

That’s not a you judgement - my brother and SIL have 3 kids and neither of them work, both perfectly capable, gets my back up absolutely no end.

Just looking at some articles from last year - the man spoke to the press using the name Fatos Ali Dumana;

Bulgarian at centre of Dundee 'axe girl' video says 'I would never hurt anyone'.

"I never touched her. I didn't hit her, I swear on my life, I have a baby now. I would never hurt someone.

If I did hurt the girl, why didn't the police arrest me? They have done nothing to me.

The youngster can be heard to shout "fing kid bashers" and another girl yells: "Don't fing punch my little sister, she's 12." Meanwhile, the man behind the camera says: "Show the knife, show the knife."

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bulgarian-centre-dundee-knife-drama-35805718

That would make some sense - think we’ve established by now he’s a liar.

I have a job now.

Speak for yourself I would much rather my tax money go on good young parents then drug addicts who have money thrown at them and given opportunities to change and refuse to do so. Neglecting their children who end up in foster care costing thousands in tax if their poor children even survive. And of course it sounds selfish talking about my tax money in context of those children’s lives ruined so yeah human cost too.

You cannot be judging me for claiming benefits as a teen mum while lecturing me on being mean to druggies and telling me about my “privilege”.

Yes. They should not have to feel that they need to be armed to defend themselves.

The fact that they do is a failure in our society.

Our children regardless of sex, and race should be (and feel) safe to walk the streets. Because they should know that the adult society around them will protect them.

Children should not have to defend themselves. Adults should get their fucking shit together and do it for them.

If you want people to stop carrying weapons, create a society where they don't need them.

Good for you.

Your tax money doesn’t go anywhere unless you’re a net contributor.

It’s not judgement, it’s pointing out hypocrisy. Stating poor people should prioritise their money better when at the time, you were prioritising other people’s.

Your privilege, quite specifically really, was that you don’t know the struggle of growing up in the environment Sophie of Dundee does. Because by your own admission, you didn’t.

That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t comment on it, but does mean you can’t credibly relate to it, and should maybe have spent today listening to people who can.

Did you grow up in Dundee then? No? Then what gives you more of a right to sit here complaining about a little girl defending herself with a knife than anyone else.

Sick of the word “privilege” tbh earlier I was getting called privileged because I knew not to put drugs before my kids at 16! 🤣

No hypocrisy here all I said was it was the drug habit that meant the couldn’t afford shoes. I actually am more bothered by kids having holey shoes than feeling resentful over my tax money. Hence I’d rather it go on actual good parents than neglectful drug addicts. The only hypocrisy was you being passive aggressive about your tax money over me while lecturing me on my privilege and nastiness about drug addicted parents.

I have just checked, and apparently my hometown is “closer to the extreme end of deprivation.” So that’s nice, it’s actually worse than Dundee.

Derail central here, but who would pay for the children of addicts if not us? Shall we just leave them to rot?

Nastiness does nail it though. Between encouraging children to carry weapons, suggesting you’d hit kids yourself, and bashing people in actual real poverty - it is all fairly grim.

Show me where I bashed anyone in real poverty?
Feel I’m repeating myself here but she said she had holes in her shoes and her parents were poor, young and did drugs. I had my eldest at 16 in a hostel so yeah that’s two out of three there, none of my kids have ever had holes in their shoes. As I said being a drug addict is an. expensive habit. That’s all I said hardly controversial tbh.

You don’t have a monopoly on having an opinion on this just because of your hometown for all I know you’re fifty years older than me and were 12 decades ago. I don’t care if you grew up in the seventh corner of hell. That girl brandishing that knife may have saved her life by scaring him off. I honestly think you must know that deep down and are now arguing for the sake of it.

You don’t need to derail I never said anything about the children of addicts being left to rot, obviously their children should be removed from them if they are prioritising drugs over their children.

And how funny earlier you were going on about your superior parenting because you wouldn’t let your daughter hang out at a park (as if that’s a crime) now you’re making excuses for parents who put drugs before their children

OP, you've chosen the wrong article to illustrate your point. You can't expect people to read an article with only half the facts and then agree with you.

Sometimes I put my head in my hands and think, "how can things like the Rotherham rape gangs happen? How can paedophiles and rapists walk away from court with nothing more than a slap on the wrist with such frequency? How can people excuse and explain away men who have been convicted of offences against children and women and continue to knowingly expose them to their own families (as you see on so many threads on here)?"

And then every now and then a thread like this comes along that makes it crystal clear.

A 22 year old stranger of a man advancing on a 12 and 14 year old girl, filming them, as they repeatedly try to move away from him, clearly scared? And nothing strikes you as abberant and creepy about that? That that was his reaction rather than calling police if the real problem was that he spotted a child with weapons who had flung a slur at him?

Because she's "rough as toast" all the usual alarm bells can be ignored and she's brought it on herself?

There is no hope.

A black street gang? Or a street gang? Is the race relevant here for you?

In terms of the law, the lives of little white girls are as important as the lives of Black men.

The point is that if one human attacks another human with an axe they were carrying around and then they are disarmed by the person they attacked and killed themslves, it will likely be self defence. Even if the people are Black, believe it or not.

The man’s social media is full of posts describing himself as a “gangster gypsy man” and “you whores get in my car” plus pictures of wads of cash (I’m sure legally earned)

But it was actually ever up for debate that the little girl was the bad guy? Mind blowing. This white privilege everyone talks is really something huh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8791y4xxo

If he had behaved as that video showed he did, he would be extremely unlikely to succeed on a defence of self-defence.

She didn't attack him with anything. She was armed, which is illegal of course, but he was advancing on her repeatedly, as she backed away shouting and clearly afraid. He can't credibly claim to have been in fear of violence at that point, while I'd think she could.

A black street gang? Or a street gang? Is the race relevant here for you?

You linked to an article about a drill rapper and [alleged] gang leader. I was under the impression that drill rappers and their associated street gangs in London were predominately Black, as per this article;

19 London drill rappers who went too far and are now writing songs from prison.
The unapologetic sound, which began in Chicago, holds up a mirror to the harsh realities of street life for young Black men in London...

https://www.mylondon.news/news/uk-world-news/gallery/19-london-drill-rappers-who-28270353

Perhaps in future, the words Black and Black culture should be erased from certain newspaper comment, research and intervention in case they cause offence. Oh, and that goes for targeted funding as well - no point funding solutions to problems that don't exist.

In terms of the law, the lives of little white girls are as important as the lives of Black men.

Tell that to the dead man in your link - he was acquitted of murder himself - some months before he was then killed. He gave a 'no comment' interview after his arrest.

The point is that if one human attacks another human with an axe they were carrying around and then they are disarmed by the person they attacked and killed themselves

We have no reason to think the girl was going to attack anyone. For all we know, someone else gave her the weapons for safe keeping - the reason she had those weapons in the first place was not revealed.

You linked to someone who was killed in a struggle whilst they were out selling drugs and robbing someone on the street, and who had previously been implicated in the murder of a 17-year-old. I can't see any reason to compare the dead man with the girl. Perhaps you should choose better examples.

Because the previous criminality of the victim has nothing to do with whether or not their death was caused by someone acting on self defense. If you come to a conflict armed, and then you are disarmed, you run the risk of the weapon being used against you in self defense.