To let you know the axe and machete girl WAS defending herself against her now convicted attacker.

[alittleprivacy]

A lot of posters here need to see the conclusion of this story about the clearly terrified child, that so many people were quick to be awful about. You all owe this extremely vulnerable child you participated in the defamation of, a massive fucking apology. I'm genuinely so angry about how so many grown women denigrated a hurt and scared child. Her fear was so evident in her voice and demeanor and so many mothers here were quick to throw her under a bus. Well you've all been proven wrong now, with the man she was trying to defend herself from found guilty of assault.

Honestly, just think about what you people did, defending a man who assaulted a child just because she was of a class you deem beneath you. I hope you're very, very ashamed and take stock before more girls like her suffer worse.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/bulgarian-man-guilty-of-assaulting-12-year-old-girl/a/156878498.html

I think you need to calm down you’re taking offence at this when it was you who said your parents did drugs. That’d would have been why you were walking round in holey shoes. Unless of course youre 80 years old.

Yeah because they were poor or teenagers or whatever. Irrelevant would have been the prioritising of drugs that did.

Ive raised kids I had at 16 and 18 and had no job on benefits when they were young. Never had holes in their shoes. I’m not even being mean it’s you who said they did drugs

I'm not taking offence. Your cherry picking of comments and not understanding why it has been said is irritating me more than it should on an anonymous forum.

I'm absolutely aware I wrote that, given I wrote it 😴

We can all throw stones, toothless.

I’ve been a higher rate tax payer for at least a decade, whilst raising my very challenging disabled son.

I really enjoyed paying for your two kids that you had as a teenager, and I’m very pleased that my tax meant you got the life experience of being a teenage mum.

You can’t seriously be having a go at someone because their parents struggled financially, whatever the reason, when you’re a self confessed benefit claimant who had 2 kids by the time you were 18.

None of us are perfect, but people in glass houses, etc.

I’m more responding to this

“Kind of interesting that such an advocate for poverty stricken children would believe our parents just “didn’t bother” buying us thi“

Because yes I do believe that, only time I’ve ever seen kids dressed like that was with drug addict/ alcoholic parents.

Judgemental too, keep them coming.

I’m not having a go, she said they did drugs, were poor and were teenagers and I’m just saying it would have been the drugs that meant they couldn’t afford shoes.

“Kind of interesting that such an advocate for poverty stricken children would believe our parents just “didn’t bother” buying us thi”

In response to this comment from you, yeah I do believe that. Sad for Armysal she grew up like that and I’m not even being a dick it’s just the truth she probably knows it too

Show me where I actually said anything negative about her character because of how she grew up?
Obviously it’s not her fault. This is turning about infantile we’ve had comments like “no wonder you were bullied and have no teeth, you have no life experience because you didn’t grow up as poor as me”

But I’m accused of being mean and angry over this? I mean damn I scrolled up and saw her comments have been deleted by mumsnet while none of mine have.

Yeah whatever I was a jobless sponger for a couple years and had children young. They never had holes in their shoes. As I said it would have been the drugs that did it not the poverty or being teenagers

It's so bizzare that there's a poster insisting that 'fucking immigrant' shouted by a 12 year old at an adult man (if she did say it) is as 'hurty' as that man offering to 'show her a good time'.

It's really unlikely that a 12 year old girl will deport that man, or set fire to his home, it is however, much more likely that a man who makes sexual overtures to a 12 year old will act on them.

So he faced being laughed at in the street, while she faced the prospect of being raped. She was 12 years old, and he sexually objectified her and harassed her.

As Margaret Attword put it so well, mem fear that women will laugh at them, women fear that men will kill them.

Or as this poster, hurty words on both sides.

They actually were, did you read the bbc article someone posted above? They framed the girls as the aggressors and denied their claims of sexual harassment. So if the girls had chosen to only go to the police, do you really think that anything would have been done to improve their situation. Or would they have been ignored and left in the same or worse situation.

They did not have options, that is the point. They should have had options, but they didn’t. They clearly had no choice. No one thinks it’s a good thing that they had to resort to carrying weapons, but the weapons is unfortunately the only thing that caught media attention and led to an actual resolution for these girls.

not everyone has good parents or options available to them.

I can’t believe the naivety of people who say she should have phoned the police. Nevermind that they wouldn’t have got there in time.

But have these people tried reporting a crime recently? Of the assaults, thefts and sexual assaults that have happened to people I know over the last couple years not a single one has been prosecuted.
Have any of these people heard of grooming gangs and how useless the police were there

@Teethyblinders

If you genuinely believe that children grow up in poverty because their parents “don’t bother” to buy their shoes, you truly don’t understand poverty and deprivation.

You may have dabbled with it during your years on benefits, but that doesn’t mean you understand systemic deprivation and how hard it is to break out of that cycle.

My comments around parenting have had nothing to do with the deprivation this girl likely faces.

You can have expectations of behaviour and not be so absent a parent that your child ends
up with a hatchet in their trousers, and not have money. My mum did.

She had the sum total of fuck all, and whilst none of us were perfect, my sister dabbled with some fairly hard drugs, etc etc, not one of us would have been on the streets with a weapon.

Poor people can have standards.

I think, genuinely, that response was shaped by the weapons.

The girls weren’t taken seriously because when the police arrived, she’d hidden weapons on a roundabout. That is going to shape the view the police have of a situation - he wasn’t armed and they were.

Had they gone to the police before taking matters into their own hands, we don’t know that it wouldn’t have been more successful.

We also can’t assume that something that happened in Rotherham, miles away from Scotland, would have had any impact on what response they’d have received had she not starting waving knives around and making herself look like the aggressor.

She had a weapon to protect herself from a predator following her around. A good job she did and all considering what could have happened.

Again that poster grew up with holey shoes and said her parents were poor, teenagers and on drugs and I’m just saying as someone that had two kids by 18 living alone with no job it would have been the drug habit that prevented her parents buying new shoes.

You respond to that with this:

“Kind of interesting that such an advocate for poverty stricken children would believe our parents just “didn’t bother” buying us things”

And yeah as I said it would have been the drug habit that did it. Drugs are expensive.

Okay, and you believe that addicts actively make the choice to not care for their kids and buy drugs instead?

Thats not how addiction works, not over a longer term sustained basis. I also don’t know how expensive drugs are, I’ve never taken them.

It’s weird. You’re practically tripping over your privilege and seem to have absolutely no idea it even exists.

For the 9 billionth time, she took the weapon out before he started following her. That’s why she used it, it’s not why she had it to begin with.

Privilege 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Because I put my children before drugs? And knew to do that even though I was only 16?

Funny how it’s been fair game to make fun of my teeth, say no wonder I was bullied and beaten up and post a passive aggressive essay about your taxes going on me as a teenager. But I’m accused of being mean and angry and get this sanctimonious crap about not being mean to drug addicted neglectful parents because they can’t help it?

Im more interested in why a grown man was following a 12 year old girl and asking for sexy time then I am what she did to scare him away.

And her comments were all deleted by mumsnet I didn’t report them. None of my comments have been deleted. Kinda shows who’s making ad hominems and is angry

It became fair game when you started using another posters difficult upbringing as a tool to make your point. That was bang out of order and I think most people would know that.

When you started referring to her parents as “drug addicted neglectful.”

It’s not passive aggressive. It’s a fact.

You’re denigrating poverty stricken families for not being able to afford or properly prioritise what their children need, when you didn’t buy your kid’s shoes either, we did.

You don’t get to sit in the ivory tower of providing for your kids as a teenager, when actually - you didn’t. The tax payer did. That is some serious misplaced glory.

No I was just asking why you thought I couldn’t have an opinion just because I didn’t grow up dirt poor? Cue her rants about my teeth and being bullied, real mature that no wonder it was deleted by mumsnet.

Yes I had children young and claimed benefits, which I spent on my children. I’m assuming her parents also claimed benefits which they spent on drugs instead of their kids.
Im not privileged because I claimed benefits 🤣holy shit anyone who fits the eligibility is entitled to benefits.

For the 9 billionth time, she took the weapon out before he started following her.

Where does it say that?

Sheriff Timothy Niven-Smith
“Having made the sexual remarks to the children you then, enraged by the fact that they became angry and started shouting abuse at you, followed them.”

No… you can have an opinion. What you can’t do is claim to understand the life experiences of a 12 year old on a council estate, because you weren’t one.

Why are you making this about someone else’s parents so repeatedly?

My Mum was on benefits, she worked part time around her 3 kids for my whole childhood, and her husband spent every penny of that in the pub before coming home to smash her face in. Whose fault is that, and more importantly, who gave you the right to judge it?

Here.

After standing back up she pulled out an axe and knife she said had been hidden in her waistband for five to 10 minutes before the incident.

Same article. It was in her waistband before the incident.

As an aside, I've just noticed from a Times article last year that the Bulgarian man, Ilia Belov, has an alias on Facebook;

'The alleged assailant, who filmed the encounter and has not been arrested or charged, was Fatos Ali Dumana, a 21-year old Bulgarian. Admittedly, he has had a colourful life on Facebook, where he styles himself the “gypsy gangster”.'

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/dundee-girl-highlights-desperate-decline-of-scottish-tories-ggbqrzb89

I never judged your parents wtf are you making up shit for?
All I said is her having holey shoes was nothing to do with her parents being poor and teenagers based on personal experience from being both. It would have been the drug habit.

I was a 12 year old that got the crap beaten out of me by bullies out and about so had to take matters into my own hands. Were you beaten up multiple times by other kids as a kid? Because if not I can probably relate more than you. If you must know my parents rented from a housing association tf does it matter that I lived in a normal town and not a council estate? Didn’t know that was the requirement for an opinion.

Im asking you again why you’re more hung up a little girl showed a knife to scare off a pervert then why a pervert was following her?

Perhaps I misunderstood you - I thought you were referring to her taking the weapon out of her waistband before he followed her?

You said middle class upbringing.. in a HA property?

Yes. Because I grew up in a particularly volatile part of the country. Still, no knife.

We can do this all night, I don’t and won’t think kids should have weapons.

I know why a pervert was following her. I don’t like that it’s obvious, but it is. She called him a creep, and she was right. Creepy men existing isn’t good news, but it’s also not news.