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To let you know the axe and machete girl WAS defending herself against her now convicted attacker.

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alittleprivacy · 11/06/2026 20:22

A lot of posters here need to see the conclusion of this story about the clearly terrified child, that so many people were quick to be awful about. You all owe this extremely vulnerable child you participated in the defamation of, a massive fucking apology. I'm genuinely so angry about how so many grown women denigrated a hurt and scared child. Her fear was so evident in her voice and demeanor and so many mothers here were quick to throw her under a bus. Well you've all been proven wrong now, with the man she was trying to defend herself from found guilty of assault.

Honestly, just think about what you people did, defending a man who assaulted a child just because she was of a class you deem beneath you. I hope you're very, very ashamed and take stock before more girls like her suffer worse.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/bulgarian-man-guilty-of-assaulting-12-year-old-girl/a/156878498.html

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Clavinova · Today 11:21

TheHateUGive · Today 11:14

Because the previous criminality of the victim has nothing to do with whether or not their death was caused by someone acting on self defense. If you come to a conflict armed, and then you are disarmed, you run the risk of the weapon being used against you in self defense.

How was the Bulgarian man acting in self-defence?

TheHateUGive · Today 11:29

Clavinova · Today 11:21

How was the Bulgarian man acting in self-defence?

I didnt say he was. I said encouraging young girls to carry deadly weapons for their own protection is the wrong approach, overall. We seem to know that when we tell young urban boys in danger of being attacked not to carry weapons for protection because it actually increases the risk that something awful will happen to them (jail or death).

We also aren't as sympathetic to their fear.

Clavinova · Today 11:33

YourAmplePlumPoster · Yesterday 19:15

After Julie Bindel inexplicably supporting the perpetrators in this crime, I have asked for her not to be invited to write for The Spectator again, a publication to which I subscribe.

I see that someone posted a photograph of one of the girls on Julie Bindel's X account yesterday (12 June, under 'I got this one wrong'). Nasty looking injuries to the girl's forehead and around her eye - no wonder the girl was taken to hospital after the assault.

Clavinova · Today 11:50

TheHateUGive · Today 11:29

I didnt say he was. I said encouraging young girls to carry deadly weapons for their own protection is the wrong approach, overall. We seem to know that when we tell young urban boys in danger of being attacked not to carry weapons for protection because it actually increases the risk that something awful will happen to them (jail or death).

We also aren't as sympathetic to their fear.

If that was your point you chose a completely unsuitable link to illustrate it and then doubled-down on why you chose that particular example.

Teethyblinders · Today 14:57

@ChunkyMonkey36 you know what’s interesting is there’s another thread on this that I just done reading and there’s other people on there who grew up poor like you did who agree with me that she did nothing wrong defending herself and her sister and they’re saying it’s middle class people who disagree but on this thread it’s the other way round you saying I can’t have an opinion because I grew up middle class (until 16 when they pretty much disowned me)

Either way I don’t think any of this class stuff matters I’d be saying the same thing if princess charlotte scared Andrew off with a hatchet.
It’s even illegal for a female to carry pepper spray for her own protection in this country which rarely sentences rapists and if they do they’re out in a few years.

Anyway a post from the other thread that might interest you :

First they were subjected to disgusting sexual remarks from an adult male, then they were bombarded with cruel abuse from strangers on the internet. The salt of classism rubbed into the wound of sexual harassment.
To me, there is no mystery whatsoever as to why the girls were not only disbelieved but mocked, mauled and treated as if they were the perpetrators. It’s because they are working-class. It’s because they are ‘white trash’. It was a searing testament to the modern left’s haughty disgust for the ‘riff raff’ that they would take the word of a 22-year-old Bulgarian male over the word of scared Scottish girls.
Their gross caricatures of these supposedly feral girls necking Irn Bru and wielding axes at innocent immigrants completely fell apart in court. The sheriff described the girls’ evidence as ‘eloquent’. Their case was true and well put, he said. Eternal shame on every keyboard bigot who saw one clip of these girls and instantly decided they were the scum of the earth.
The slandering of ‘Sophie of Dundee’ was like a replay, on a smaller scale, of the state’s vile denialism when working-class girls said they’d been raped by gangs of primarily Muslim men. Then, too, the men were often believed over the girls. Well, they were from an ‘oppressed’ minority whereas the girls were just classless ruffians hanging out in places they shouldn’t have been. That was the odious prejudice on which the grooming-gang scandal was built.'

DesertIslandDips · Today 15:23

Mumsnet pearl clutching at its finest.
Apologists for dirty bastard child abusers.
You should hang your heads in shame, but no, much easier to judge a CHILD who felt she had no other means of protecting herself, and other children.
You're probably the same achingly tedious posters who wonder what to do when your precious children are caught using weed or stealing but don't want to face it because it might harm their chances of going to a top university/make them not want to be your friend anymore.
But a working class girl trying to keep safe?
Nah, you're no better than the rape gang apologists.

DesertIslandDips · Today 15:24

@teethyblinders nails it

ChunkyMonkey36 · Today 15:38

Teethyblinders · Today 14:57

@ChunkyMonkey36 you know what’s interesting is there’s another thread on this that I just done reading and there’s other people on there who grew up poor like you did who agree with me that she did nothing wrong defending herself and her sister and they’re saying it’s middle class people who disagree but on this thread it’s the other way round you saying I can’t have an opinion because I grew up middle class (until 16 when they pretty much disowned me)

Either way I don’t think any of this class stuff matters I’d be saying the same thing if princess charlotte scared Andrew off with a hatchet.
It’s even illegal for a female to carry pepper spray for her own protection in this country which rarely sentences rapists and if they do they’re out in a few years.

Anyway a post from the other thread that might interest you :

First they were subjected to disgusting sexual remarks from an adult male, then they were bombarded with cruel abuse from strangers on the internet. The salt of classism rubbed into the wound of sexual harassment.
To me, there is no mystery whatsoever as to why the girls were not only disbelieved but mocked, mauled and treated as if they were the perpetrators. It’s because they are working-class. It’s because they are ‘white trash’. It was a searing testament to the modern left’s haughty disgust for the ‘riff raff’ that they would take the word of a 22-year-old Bulgarian male over the word of scared Scottish girls.
Their gross caricatures of these supposedly feral girls necking Irn Bru and wielding axes at innocent immigrants completely fell apart in court. The sheriff described the girls’ evidence as ‘eloquent’. Their case was true and well put, he said. Eternal shame on every keyboard bigot who saw one clip of these girls and instantly decided they were the scum of the earth.
The slandering of ‘Sophie of Dundee’ was like a replay, on a smaller scale, of the state’s vile denialism when working-class girls said they’d been raped by gangs of primarily Muslim men. Then, too, the men were often believed over the girls. Well, they were from an ‘oppressed’ minority whereas the girls were just classless ruffians hanging out in places they shouldn’t have been. That was the odious prejudice on which the grooming-gang scandal was built.'

Love, it’s been over 12 hours.

I’ve been to bed and packed half a house up since then, why are you still tagging me in nonsense and looking for more?

I’m not reading that, I’m busy, and don’t require a lecture about being working class from you.

Working class, frightened, covered in purple spots, leave your hatchet at home.

Go and do something more useful with your Saturday.

Teethyblinders · Today 15:48

ChunkyMonkey36 · Today 15:38

Love, it’s been over 12 hours.

I’ve been to bed and packed half a house up since then, why are you still tagging me in nonsense and looking for more?

I’m not reading that, I’m busy, and don’t require a lecture about being working class from you.

Working class, frightened, covered in purple spots, leave your hatchet at home.

Go and do something more useful with your Saturday.

Not a lecture don’t care what class anyone is, unlike you hung up on people who have more money than you.

Hopefully a grown creep of a man dosent follow your daughter around. Then you’ll find out how useful calling the police is.

ChunkyMonkey36 · Today 15:50

Teethyblinders · Today 15:48

Not a lecture don’t care what class anyone is, unlike you hung up on people who have more money than you.

Hopefully a grown creep of a man dosent follow your daughter around. Then you’ll find out how useful calling the police is.

Okay, thanks.

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