AIBU to think USA has gone crazy - Karmelo Anthony is a murderer not a victim

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From what I have read, Karmelo Anthony (who is black African American) took a concealed knife to a track event. When it started raining he ran to another team's tent to shelter. He was told to leave by a white athlete called Austin Metcalfe. KA refused saying ' 'Touch me and see what happens', According to one account I read he was repeatedly told to leave and replied the same way each time. Austin Metcalfe then pushed KA to get him to leave and KA pulled out the knife and stabbed AM in the chest, killing him.

Apparently sections of America are outraged that KA has now been convicted of murder. Possible sentence range in America is 5 to 99 years for this offence and he got 35 years.

I don't understand how this is not murder. In UK law if you can run away you must, and he didn't. In UK law if you kill someone when you could have run, you will be tried for murder.

KA took a knife. He could have left (even if he thought it was a dick move to ask him to leave when it was raining - you can't murder people for being dickish about their gazebo) but chose to not to, escalating the situation with threatening language and then stabbed a young man in the chest.

I just think something has gone terribly wrong in USA society where this man is treated as a victim, not the person who he killed, and this case is regarded as an injustice against him. I hope the UK does not go down this route.

How rude. The PP was discussing what is happening in the UK. You said you don’t want the U.K. to go down that route and so it is entirely relevant to bring up the fact that our legal system is also not fit for purpose.

I was giving context to show how a reasonable assessment of murder would work.

KA was convicted in America of murder, for a case any reasonable person would agree was murder, where he could have left and was repeatedly told to leave, but chose to stay and stab.

My post is clearly about how extremely racialised USA society has become that people see this murderer as a victim.

The only way he perhaps could be a victim if of the the family and culture he has grown up in which, perhaps, made this young man think he was justified in his murderous actions and could get away with them. A culture we are seeing amongst his defenders. But he sure as hell was not a victim of the man he murdered, and nor was he a victim of the court that convicted him.

I hadn’t heard about this case until OP posted this, it’s going to create a lot of…….discussions.

His supporters claim it was self defence as apparently pushing someone justifies stabbing the person. They claim it should be manslaughter as he hadn't gone there intending to kill him. Well hey guess what if you have a weapon and stab someone that is what happens.

His grabby family have made a fortune out of this. I really hope there's some legal process that means once found guilty then people cannot profit from their crimes.

I was giving context to show how a reasonable assessment of murder would work.

But here we have a different legal system, it might be more reasonable or not, but it’s still not relevant to American people in America, there is no connection to Britain or British people.

It was an all white jury. That was unfair. The dead man was a bully. Below is a good article on it written by Dr Stacey Patton.

https://share.google/dvPS0FPvFf3la8cuO

I am talking in this thread about the racialised social culture that has led some in the USA to think KA is a victim, not a killer.

Clearly I have no issues with the legal system in the USA in this case, as they reached what I clearly in my posts consider the right verdict. I do consider the USA system fit for purpose in this case. That is clear in my posts.

So yes, your tangent about the UK legal system not being fit for purpose is irrelevant in this thread, This thread is about racialised social cultures.

Stop lying 🤥

@Gloriia His grabby family have made a fortune out of this. I really hope there's some legal process that means once found guilty then people cannot profit from their crimes.

Oh what? Where can I read about this?

Bloody hell. The jury found him guilty.

This thread is about social cultures. Not legal systems.

Ah so you're race-baiting. Thought so.

You specifically mentioned the U.K. in your OP. You are the person who brought up the U.K. first and so it’s reasonable for another poster to comment on that.

You opened the door and I walked through it; that’s how it works.

Well, he was convicted of murder and sentenced to 35 years, so he is a murderer and is being punished as one.

I think the argument comes from the fact that people like Kyle Rittenhouse were found not guilty by reason of self defense, and Karmelo claimed self defense but was found guilty. The ones who feel it was a miscarriage of justice think that if the roles were reversed and white teen said he feared for his life from a Black teen, he would be more likely to be believed.

Additionally, I think some people on both sides think that 35 years is an unjust sentence to give a teen.

Your thread has failed.

Wouldn't it be terrible if the UK became like this / you cannot blame Nigel for trying to do something / the racist protesters have a point

Not a rage bait thread

Just a soft push rightwards

Do you think a bully who gives a single shove to someone who is being verbally aggressive to them and refusing to leave deserves to be stabbed to death?

Because if you do you are bloody evil and if you ever act on your beliefs you will go to jail for murder too.

If he had been found guilty of manslaughter than murder what could his sentence have been?

The jury was not all white. None were Black, but there are other races besides white or Black.

Wasn't KR being chased by a mob?

That's not really the same as KA being told to leave a track team gazebo and refusing, is it?

And it doesn't mean he is not a murderer. He is.

Yes, he was. I’m not saying I agree with the argument, I’m just saying what it is.

Why? 86% say she’s not being unreasonable

Thank you for proving the point of my thread.

The VAST majority of Americans don't know/care about this case, or if they do, think Karmelo Anthony deserved his sentence. You must be stumbling into some online black supremacist echo chambers and thinking they are more significant than they are. We've got other shit to worry about ... this is a nothing burger.

This made me laugh! There is nothing wrong with being right wing. I know the nutty side of the Left think there is, but really there is not.

I'm not left or right - I'm apolitical. There is nothing wrong with being left or right or centre.

There is something wrong with ideological, unevidenced ideas which are harmful.