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AIBU to think USA has gone crazy - Karmelo Anthony is a murderer not a victim

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Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 14:32

From what I have read, Karmelo Anthony (who is black African American) took a concealed knife to a track event. When it started raining he ran to another team's tent to shelter. He was told to leave by a white athlete called Austin Metcalfe. KA refused saying ' 'Touch me and see what happens', According to one account I read he was repeatedly told to leave and replied the same way each time. Austin Metcalfe then pushed KA to get him to leave and KA pulled out the knife and stabbed AM in the chest, killing him.

Apparently sections of America are outraged that KA has now been convicted of murder. Possible sentence range in America is 5 to 99 years for this offence and he got 35 years.

I don't understand how this is not murder. In UK law if you can run away you must, and he didn't. In UK law if you kill someone when you could have run, you will be tried for murder.

KA took a knife. He could have left (even if he thought it was a dick move to ask him to leave when it was raining - you can't murder people for being dickish about their gazebo) but chose to not to, escalating the situation with threatening language and then stabbed a young man in the chest.

I just think something has gone terribly wrong in USA society where this man is treated as a victim, not the person who he killed, and this case is regarded as an injustice against him. I hope the UK does not go down this route.

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AmberTigerEyes · 13/06/2026 16:20

@Serenster
He was convicted of criminal homicide by murder under section 19(02)(b)(2) of the Texas Penal Code, which states:
A person commits an offense if the person:
(2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual;

No he wasn’t convicted of criminal homicide (the equivalent of 3rd degree murder) but of capital murder (equivalent of 1st degree murder)
Sec. 19.03. CAPITAL MURDER. (a) A person commits an offense if the person commits murder as defined under Section 19.02(b)(1) and: (1) the person murders a peace officer or fireman who is acting in the lawful discharge of an official duty and who the person knows is a peace officer or fireman; (2) the person intentionally commits the murder in the course of committing or attempting to commit kidnapping, burglary, robbery, aggravated sexual assault, arson, obstruction or retaliation, or terroristic threat under Section 22.07(a)(1), (3), (4), (5), or (6); (3) the person commits the murder for remuneration or the promise of remuneration or employs another to commit the murder for remuneration or the promise of remuneration; (4) the person commits the murder while escaping or attempting to escape from a penal institution; (5) the person, while incarcerated in a penal institution, murders another: (A) who is employed in the operation of the penal institution; or (B) with the intent to establish, maintain, or participate in a combination or in the profits of a combination; (6) the person: (A) while incarcerated for an offense under this section or Section 19.02, murders another; or (B) while serving a sentence of life imprisonment or a term of 99 years for an offense under Section 20.04, 22.021, or 29.03, murders another; (7) the person murders more than one person: (A) during the same criminal transaction; or (B) during different criminal transactions but the murders are committed pursuant to the same scheme or course of conduct; (8) the person murders an individual under 10 years of age; (9) the person murders an individual 10 years of age or older but younger than 15 years of age; or (10) the person murders another person in retaliation for or on account of the service or status of the other person as a judge or justice of the supreme court, the court of criminal appeals, a court of appeals, a district court, a criminal district court, a constitutional county court, a statutory county court, a justice court, or a municipal court. (b) An offense under this section is a capital felony. (c) If the jury or, when authorized by law, the judge does not find beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty of an offense under this section, he may be convicted of murder or of any other lesser included offense. (d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(1), the actor is presumed to have known the person murdered was a peace officer or fireman if the person was wearing a distinctive uniform or badge indicating the person's employment as a peace officer or fireman.

BuffetTheDietSlayer · 13/06/2026 16:35

AmberTigerEyes · 13/06/2026 16:20

@Serenster
He was convicted of criminal homicide by murder under section 19(02)(b)(2) of the Texas Penal Code, which states:
A person commits an offense if the person:
(2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual;

No he wasn’t convicted of criminal homicide (the equivalent of 3rd degree murder) but of capital murder (equivalent of 1st degree murder)
Sec. 19.03. CAPITAL MURDER. (a) A person commits an offense if the person commits murder as defined under Section 19.02(b)(1) and: (1) the person murders a peace officer or fireman who is acting in the lawful discharge of an official duty and who the person knows is a peace officer or fireman; (2) the person intentionally commits the murder in the course of committing or attempting to commit kidnapping, burglary, robbery, aggravated sexual assault, arson, obstruction or retaliation, or terroristic threat under Section 22.07(a)(1), (3), (4), (5), or (6); (3) the person commits the murder for remuneration or the promise of remuneration or employs another to commit the murder for remuneration or the promise of remuneration; (4) the person commits the murder while escaping or attempting to escape from a penal institution; (5) the person, while incarcerated in a penal institution, murders another: (A) who is employed in the operation of the penal institution; or (B) with the intent to establish, maintain, or participate in a combination or in the profits of a combination; (6) the person: (A) while incarcerated for an offense under this section or Section 19.02, murders another; or (B) while serving a sentence of life imprisonment or a term of 99 years for an offense under Section 20.04, 22.021, or 29.03, murders another; (7) the person murders more than one person: (A) during the same criminal transaction; or (B) during different criminal transactions but the murders are committed pursuant to the same scheme or course of conduct; (8) the person murders an individual under 10 years of age; (9) the person murders an individual 10 years of age or older but younger than 15 years of age; or (10) the person murders another person in retaliation for or on account of the service or status of the other person as a judge or justice of the supreme court, the court of criminal appeals, a court of appeals, a district court, a criminal district court, a constitutional county court, a statutory county court, a justice court, or a municipal court. (b) An offense under this section is a capital felony. (c) If the jury or, when authorized by law, the judge does not find beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty of an offense under this section, he may be convicted of murder or of any other lesser included offense. (d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(1), the actor is presumed to have known the person murdered was a peace officer or fireman if the person was wearing a distinctive uniform or badge indicating the person's employment as a peace officer or fireman.

You are wrong. He was NOT convicted of Capital murder. He was convicted of murder.

Where the hell are you getting your info from?

BuffetTheDietSlayer · 13/06/2026 17:39

AmberTigerEyes · 13/06/2026 16:14

Texas has them alright, the terms 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree are US umbrella terms that cover similar grades of murder with similar requirements despite the fact that individual states technically have different names for them.

Texas calls 1st degree murder capital murder, 2nd degree is simply murder and 3rd degree is called homicide.

However the terms 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree murder are used in all national news reports so that fellow Americans can easily understand what is referred to.

Wrong again.

In texas it’s: Captial murder
Murder
Manslaughter

Captial murder and murder are both first degree felonies.
Manslaughter is usually a second degree felony but can sometimes be elevated to a first degree felony.

PolkaDotPorridge · 14/06/2026 12:07

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FrippEnos · 14/06/2026 12:52

You have any proof that they were or are you just after another way to excuse murder?

PolkaDotPorridge · 14/06/2026 13:00

My post was deleted but it was a factual statement. Just watch the videos of him ranting.

JHound · 14/06/2026 13:05

This is why kids should not carry knives (well anyone). It escalates and then a life is easily lost.

Has he not had a knife then this would have been a fist fight, bruised egos and that’s that.

I don’t see the relevance of UK laws to various US states. In a recent case in the USA a shopkeeper was able to claim self-defence after chasing and shooting a boy in the back so I am sure that’s grey and varies state to state.

But his family / lawyers have lodged an appeal I think so will see where that lands.

Gloriia · 14/06/2026 13:06

PolkaDotPorridge · 14/06/2026 13:00

My post was deleted but it was a factual statement. Just watch the videos of him ranting.

His ds was murdered. I think we can forgive his reaction surely? The language used is tame compared to some terminology used by some black online commentators tbf.

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