AIBU to think USA has gone crazy - Karmelo Anthony is a murderer not a victim

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From what I have read, Karmelo Anthony (who is black African American) took a concealed knife to a track event. When it started raining he ran to another team's tent to shelter. He was told to leave by a white athlete called Austin Metcalfe. KA refused saying ' 'Touch me and see what happens', According to one account I read he was repeatedly told to leave and replied the same way each time. Austin Metcalfe then pushed KA to get him to leave and KA pulled out the knife and stabbed AM in the chest, killing him.

Apparently sections of America are outraged that KA has now been convicted of murder. Possible sentence range in America is 5 to 99 years for this offence and he got 35 years.

I don't understand how this is not murder. In UK law if you can run away you must, and he didn't. In UK law if you kill someone when you could have run, you will be tried for murder.

KA took a knife. He could have left (even if he thought it was a dick move to ask him to leave when it was raining - you can't murder people for being dickish about their gazebo) but chose to not to, escalating the situation with threatening language and then stabbed a young man in the chest.

I just think something has gone terribly wrong in USA society where this man is treated as a victim, not the person who he killed, and this case is regarded as an injustice against him. I hope the UK does not go down this route.

Again with the ‘happy to help’, I don’t know why people use this when it invalidates any point you’re making.

And thank you for your opinion but I disagree. I followed the case closely and read extensively, Rittenhouse should have been done for murder.

KA was not punched. Interesting you need to lie to make your case. In fact Austin actually said ‘I’m not going to fight you’ .m in response to KAs verbal antagonisms. KA was repeatedly told to leave. He was pushed when he refused. A push to get someone who is being verbally provoking to leave, is not a punch. Everyone can see the difference.

You cannot read the article but presume to report on its contents? Since you are struggling I will say it in one sentence:

Black men are being lynched but the murders are being written off as suicides or accidents.

The two sentences visible for those who do not wish to register for free to read the civil rights report say:
A new civil rights report argues that lynchings of Black men didn't end in America — they evolved — and that some deaths today may still be misclassified as suicides or accidents.

note the word misclassified
do let me know if you can’t understand as I would be all to happy to also define misclassified as well.

I know he wasn’t, I have already said upthread it was a typo.

The white male privilege which means he’s now stabbed to death and his non white killer is strolling round a prison block in rude health?

No, there is a difference. Kenosha was on fire and mayhem before Rittenhouse turned up. A man chased another one down, grabbed his gun and what, the guy with the guy with the gun was supposed to interpet the other one was not a threat in the middle of a city burning to the ground? Vs a guy at a sports event carrying a knife who stabbed another man because of, I don't know, throwing some shade?

Come on, are you really not getting the distinction?

No, I’m not. KR went out because he was desperate to get involved. He took his gun because he wanted trouble. Reports of him
shooting without thinking were common. He wanted an excuse. KA took a weapon out and was looking for trouble. He wanted an excuse. Just because the situations were different, I don’t think the intention was different at all. If anything, I think KR was more certain he would get away with it.

If he had been black or Hispanic you and I both know he would have been convicted of murder. That is the crux of the issue.

You also said ‘my point still stands’ meaning pushing someone you have asked to leave 15 times from a place he was not supposed to be is ok to result in your death from a knife through the heart

It’s because you are refusing to see that being able to walk away makes a difference. I don’t know about the Ritten case, but as a general principle, yes, being able to get away makes all the difference.

It’s also important to note that KA wasn’t under any physically threat. In fact Austin had said he would not fight him.

Pretending these two factors are not relevant is so crazy that the only two explanations for it are ideology or intense stupidity. I’m being generous to you.

Except I have said repeatedly that he should have been convicted and jailed for murder, so please don’t put words in my mouth. My point is that both he and Rittenhouse should have been jailed for murder. Certain rolls on this thread are excusing one but condemning the other. That is why some people are kicking off, because of the lack of conviction for one. I think both should have been done for murder. And I don’t think 35 years for KA was enough, he stabbed that man with intent. So, please, don’t try and make out I feel differently when I have been repeatedly clear on that point.

Full 222 page report on 70 lynchings from 2000-2025 in 7 southern states by JULIAN
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1twIekbOTlto0wEtY0uAL_0IW__VV1Ity/view

Yep. I’m glad the yanbu is convincingly a majority because some of the posts on this thread are bizarre.

Obviously not. Please reread and think about what is being said.

You are repeatedly not listening and twisting what I am saying. And I am not interested in you ‘being generous’ to me. You have been rude and condescending and childish in your responses to me instead of having an adult debate, so I have no interest in replying to you any further.

Totally agree…it’s the context and way a young black man was adultified whilst a white boy who raped and murdered his step sister is sent home pre trial

That’s not entirely true, if you’re being pushed/shoved you are being physically assaulted so some level of physical threat is acknowledged.

Oh good.

Your not getting any more traction with anyone else I see though.

So you agree with the Fordinbridge sentence on account of the age of the perpetrators?

Being repeatedly told to leave to leave, being told ‘I won’t fight you’, yet still responding with aggressive, verbal provocation, in that context being pushed to get out of the faces of the people you are threatening, I don’t think can in regarded as a physical threat, rather than a physical ‘ go away and leave us alone’.

Being repeatedly told to leave to leave, being told ‘I won’t fight you’, yet still responding with aggressive, verbal provocation, in that context being pushed to get out of the faces of the people you are threatening, I don’t think can in regarded as a physical threat, rather than a physical ‘ go away and leave us alone’.

KA was sent home pre trial wasn't he?

I knew nothing about this case until I googled it just now. It really is a terrible tragedy over something so apparently stupid and inane- leaving aside any accusations of racism, which as a white person who’s never been subjected to racism, I wouldn’t ever want to downplay that. I can understand why tensions are high on both sides right now. But either way, a boy is dead and multiple people including the perpetrator’s lives are ruined.

It’s also important to note that KA wasn’t under any physically threat. In fact Austin had said he would not fight him.

And saying I’m not fighting you while shoving a person reminds me a bit of the American police brutality tactic where someone is complying and calmly submitting to being arrested and they start beating the shit out of them while yelling Stop resisting! Stop resisting! (because they’re only supposed to use physical force if a suspect is violently resisting arrest)

Yes he was.

Wait, so words are aggressive provocation, but physically shoving someone is perfectly ok? Not threatening at all?

You are welcome to your opinion, but under an equal justice system using physical violence is an escalation compared to verbal threats.