To be increasung concerned about Restore Britain.

[NoisyHiker]

I know many people don't like Owen Jones, but I found this article deeply disturbing.

I am a child of immigrants, and my children are mixed race. So things like this are really starting to worry me.

I completely understand why people are angry at the current rate and quality of immigration (my own family are also disgruntled with it). But Restore want to deport even those who have citizenship.

And I am genuinely concerned that things are going to get worse than Farage if the government don't get a grip on this.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/10/restore-britain-right-politics-white-supremacist

Millions must go? Go where?

The country will collapse and it'll be your fault.

It's 5 years now. The same as France, I believe? And Labour is extending it to 10, as you demand.

Legal immigrants do not ger benefits when they arrive. I don't know why people keep saying that.

No it will squarely be the fault of the ruling elite who wanted more, more, more, and pushed the rentier economy on us, and computers, with no thought or care for the impacts on those they’ve always screwed over.

We need more information about the EU Settlement Scheme, why this was introduced and why the government took so many people?

When I temped in an education/immigration type environment, I was quite surprised as the number of immigrants with Italian & Spanish passports who had African birthplaces and now had UK ILR - which gave them full access to all the state benefits. Some were only a few years away from retirement and would be eligible for pension credit despite having paid little to no tax?

Why is there a trajectory to head from Africa to Europe via Spain & Italy with the ultimate goal the UK? The welfare system?

The bigger question politicians should be discussing is, is it fair for one set of people (working tax payer) to be paying for another set of people (Non working non tax paying)?

Should the UK declare humanitarian charity status and ask for donations from other Countries?

These conversations need to be had.

Where does it stop? Who pays when the welfare bill is bigger than the tax contributions?

Regarding Jones, and those like him, I do not think I have ever once seen him attempt to at least understand the point of view of others.

Anyone with a different opinion to him is dismissed out of hand as a "hateful racist" or similar.

The left have very little to offer except name calling.

Really?

Back to their country of origin. Of course.

Failing that, my "blast them into space" scheme is worth a look.😉

The small boat men destroy their papers on purpose, to try to prevent being deported.

In those cases I would take them to the shoreline, hand them a dingy and tell them to get cracking.

What bothers me is that some people who will vote for Restore/Reform will only vote for them because of their stance on immigration and will not look at their other policies.

Are there a million small boat men here?
Who exactly are these millions you want to evict?

'If millions have to go, millions will have to go' (quoting Lowe) is objectively entering ethnic cleansing territory. I'm not saying that Lowe is proposing to actually kill immigrants - at least that's not what he's saying now- but think about what the statement implies if taken seriously, which it should be. An endeavour of that magnitude (MILLIONS for Christ's sake!) cannot happen without a shocking amount of violence. Pointing out that fact isn't intolerance, it's ringing a very overdue alarm bell! Ethnic cleansing isn't a mere 'point of view'. It's evil that needs to be contained.

What people?

I live in a country where most migrants who are granted leave for more than six months are required to pay the Immigration Health Surcharge (IHS) as part of their visa application so they aren't at risk of sponging of the state. People who are there for less time have to pay for healthcare themselves or through insurance. Asylum seekers are only given a small amount of living expenses every week plus a room and aren't entitled to benefits. Other migrants don't even qualify for regular benefits until they have been living there and paying into the system for a set number of years. To get a student visa you have to put a substantial amount into the economy. And they are looking at tightening up rules even further so that only actual citizens qualify for benefits at all.

I live in the UK. We already have a less generous benefits system than much of the EU (and much less generous than it was historically) and migrants are already restricted in accessing it. The new proposals. If they went through would be icj more radical than in most places.

The idea that Restore are at one extreme and Labour at the other and the middle ground is where we should be aiming is misleading "let's meet in the middle said the unreasonable man. And you take a step forward, he steps backwards and repeats "let's meet in the middle".

It was a case of "be careful what you wish for" for people like my MIL.

She voted for Brexit mainly because she objected to immigration, particularly from Poland and Lithuania, especially after a hospital stay during which she was mostly nursed by non-UK staff from EU countries. She thought the NHS "deserved better" and that UK nurses were going to work overseas because "their" jobs had been taken by immigrants, when in fact the two she knew of had emigrated to Australia for better weather and a better life.

Her next in-patient stay was a couple of years post-Brexit, when she spent 5 days in ICU being nursed almost entirely by Fillipino nurses. She banged on and on about it, her main gripes seemed to be that she couldn't understand what they were saying and they didn't give her sugar for her Weetabix.

The saddest thing about it is she's an intelligent, well-educated woman who just can't get her head around the fact that, without some immigration, some of our essential services would be a bit fucked.

@Charlize43 that needs stopping I've seen that re the pension access despite paying little or next to nothing in tax. Yes it is our welfare system, the benefits need to be stopped and handing out ILR like smarties.

When I temped in an education/immigration type environment, I was quite surprised as the number of immigrants with Italian & Spanish passports who had African birthplaces and now had UK ILR - which gave them full access to all the state benefits. Some were only a few years away from retirement and would be eligible for pension credit despite having paid little to no tax?
Why is there a trajectory to head from Africa to Europe via Spain & Italy with the ultimate goal the UK? The welfare system?

I've worked since I was 16 and am well past the 35 years needed to get a full pension so why should someone who has never worked or barely paid in get pension credit?

Answers on a postcard, they should not.

My own specific fault? Really?

I think the country is headed that way anyway and, in truth, wonder if it would really be such a bad thing?

It would make a for a clean slate, a fresh start as it were - this would hold a lot of appeal, considering where the country is now:

• 2 tier laws and policing, where only white people are fully accountable before the law
• our government is useless and has no control over anything, such as our borders, and only exists to keep raising taxes
• demographic change on overdrive, making parts of the country completely unrecognisable (a multi-cultural society is a good thing, if it is arranged around common values and citizenship, but instead we have a balkanised system where different groups rarely mix and have very different values)

I could go on and on.

Oh yes, I want immigration to be stopped. All of it. Stopped. Legal, illegal. Stop it. We’re approaching a time when deaths outnumber births. Let it.

I have a bit of an issue with declaring that millions - millions - must just vanish though.

By do something wrong do you mean break the law?
The article you posted is about an eu citizen who came here on a holiday visa in 1976 (9 years before the shengen agreement was signed and 19 years before it came into effect) and never went home. Then allowed her rented home to be used as a brothel pled guilty to doing so and is now complaining that she's being deported for being a criminal.
I don't know why you think anyone should feel sad for this woman shes an admitted criminal who should be deported.

So you’d kick out my SIL, who works as a consultant physician for the NHS? Who came long here long before Brexit and now has ILR? Or would that depend on the colour of her skin (she’s white as it happens)?

Yes.

The health surcharge is unconscionable for people who ALREADY PAY TAX through their employment. They are taxed extra just because they're foreigners. And visa renewals have become extortionate (£4K for one year renewal??). One expat from a North Eastern Asian country told me this week 'congrats, foreigners really don't want to come here or be here any longer'). They've given up on working here although they are very qualified because of the disgusting way they've been treated here in the past couple of years. Some Restore trolls on here will applaud this, but with the departure of those people, some very interesting economic opportunities will also leave our shores. In the long run this will make us small and embittered.

@Persephonia1966 The people in question did everything "right" followed the system and jumped through all the hoops and were told they can stay and arranged their life accordingly.

and this is why immigrants who have followed legal channels are becoming increasingly vocal about economic migrants coming here illegally, claiming asylum and being handed a life on a plate. Everyone is hacked off with it, not just native Brits.

Citation needed.

So the solution is to kick out these decent hardworking migrants? Because that seems to be Restores plan. Or is that not enough and we should have masked men set fire to their house with them and their children inside?

It absolutely would be.
Politics is the accumulation of individual decisions by every citizen. You support this, the consequences are on you personally.

Also, before supporting a fascist revolution type 'reset', I suggest talking to people who come from countries that actually experienced it. The 'it can't get any worse' rhetoric is more than naive.

But they still can go through the Interpol and the standard visa process on the cases they actually have in UK soil.

The websites with the visa data.... what for does UK need access to the whole website? Those visas are EU visas with the EU citizens movements between EU countries.

The one about criminal tracking, it sounds more reasonable that it would be shared. I think they should renegotiate that one.