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To be increasung concerned about Restore Britain.

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NoisyHiker · Today 07:20

I know many people don't like Owen Jones, but I found this article deeply disturbing.

I am a child of immigrants, and my children are mixed race. So things like this are really starting to worry me.

I completely understand why people are angry at the current rate and quality of immigration (my own family are also disgruntled with it). But Restore want to deport even those who have citizenship.

And I am genuinely concerned that things are going to get worse than Farage if the government don't get a grip on this.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/10/restore-britain-right-politics-white-supremacist

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Walkyrie · Today 09:48

Chocyulelog · Today 09:45

I get that. But theyre not allowed to start tackling the issue, because of worries of where the line gets drawn eventually?

Who can start addressing the issue without people kicking off about what eventually might happen? Or does that mean we can never have any politicians speak to this issue

Well, that’s the million dollar question.

As a rule I think we’re good at proportionality and knowing where the line is drawn. Look at abortion - we’ve held a line there for many years now, successfully. Introducing something doesn’t mean it’ll end up at its more extreme possible outcome.

Koala17 · Today 09:49

The most concerning thing about Restore is that they will facilitate Labour staying in government for longer which would be an unmitigated disaster for the UK.

Dollymylove · Today 09:51

I voted yabu for believing this claptrap

Walkyrie · Today 09:51

Koala17 · Today 09:49

The most concerning thing about Restore is that they will facilitate Labour staying in government for longer which would be an unmitigated disaster for the UK.

I don’t think they will. I think they’ll provide either a coalition with the Tories, to keep Reform out (sworn common enemy) or the current Reform voters will defect to Restore before the GE. I disagree with PP who said they have a ‘cat in hell’s chance’ of getting in. It’s unlikely but not vanishingly small. The situation is so febrile at the moment that the old rules no longer apply.

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 09:54

Walkyrie · Today 09:51

I don’t think they will. I think they’ll provide either a coalition with the Tories, to keep Reform out (sworn common enemy) or the current Reform voters will defect to Restore before the GE. I disagree with PP who said they have a ‘cat in hell’s chance’ of getting in. It’s unlikely but not vanishingly small. The situation is so febrile at the moment that the old rules no longer apply.

I hope you are right but not sure Kemi and co would entertain a coalition with Restore any more than Reform.

Persephonia1966 · Today 09:55

Walkyrie · Today 09:48

Well, that’s the million dollar question.

As a rule I think we’re good at proportionality and knowing where the line is drawn. Look at abortion - we’ve held a line there for many years now, successfully. Introducing something doesn’t mean it’ll end up at its more extreme possible outcome.

No but the fact the line is constantly being moved and the level of vagueness/changing narrative from people like Restore and Reform does.

As does the fact they will say things like they promise to scrap ILR for people who already have it and then other people will jump in to say "they probably don't mean non criminals". The man's already promising he is going to break existing promises and the hope is that it will be OK because he doesn't mean exactly what he says.

And also the fact that so many people were able to hand wave away completely innocent people being burnt out of their homes or argue it was "wrong but to be expected" given how angry people were. And that often thesw discussions are accompanied by 😂😂😂emojis.

Really does not give one confidence in the fact that natural humanity/decency will be the fence on their behaviour.

Koala17 · Today 09:57

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 09:54

I hope you are right but not sure Kemi and co would entertain a coalition with Restore any more than Reform.

Talk of coalitions is almost irrelevant if the right of centre vote is split 3 ways. They could get a huge percentage of the vote that results in few seats.

Being a combined force under a single banner would make them pretty much unbeatable in elections however that won’t happen which is why we could face the horror of a Labour led coalition in 2029 which would likely finish the country off completely.

NoisyHiker · Today 09:57

lokitree · Today 09:28

“My own family are disgruntled with it” “deport even those who have citizenship”

I never thought the leopards would eat MY face

I don't believe that agreeing that immigration in it's current form is not working for many, and also being worried about a party that will deport citizens is hypocritical?

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · Today 09:58

The problem with Restore and the Greens, and they are two sides of the same —arse— coin, is not that they will win, but that they will be the kingmakers in future elections and that they shape the policy of other parties who are after their electorate.

friedaklein · Today 09:59

NoisyHiker · Today 09:57

I don't believe that agreeing that immigration in it's current form is not working for many, and also being worried about a party that will deport citizens is hypocritical?

There is a middle ground we need to find. I don't believe it is racist to be concerned about unvetted single men.

EasternStandard · Today 09:59

Koala17 · Today 09:57

Talk of coalitions is almost irrelevant if the right of centre vote is split 3 ways. They could get a huge percentage of the vote that results in few seats.

Being a combined force under a single banner would make them pretty much unbeatable in elections however that won’t happen which is why we could face the horror of a Labour led coalition in 2029 which would likely finish the country off completely.

I hope not @Koala17. I get what you mean though in terms of how it could happen.

Hoardasurass · Today 10:01

friedaklein · Today 09:04

What's IDL?

Don't know its the autocorrect typo that I edited it should have been ILR

Persephonia1966 · Today 10:07

MushMonster · Today 09:51

I know this is true because we got a political leaflet after the recent elections here and their immigration plans included deporting dual nationals.
So, now, it is both Reform and Restore who intend to take it on legal immigrants.
Even Labour is actually deporting legal immigrants that have been here for long time if they get caught doing something illegal https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/feb/26/how-can-i-start-again-at-68-maria-has-spent-50-years-in-the-uk-and-is-fighting-deportation

The problem is, no matter how cruel/strict (and in that woman's case it is cruel) the policies put in place are they will never be enough. The goal posts keep moving. That's not the same as abortion where on order to get acceptance advocates had to be very clear about where the lines would be drawn and any changes are the focus of intense debate. And also no-one is saying "yes the policy is a 20 week cut of but I'm sure the real.cut of will only be 10 weeks because that's what I think it should be".

We need to discuss immigration and acceptable levels but people talk about it all the time. "I don't believe it is racist to be concerned about unvetted single men" is such a straw man because noone is saying that. Especially in a conversation about deporting people with the legal right to remain here who have lived here for years

SpudGunToo · Today 10:15

napody · Today 07:50

I'm asking for your view on his stance: if it were possible, do you think it would be morally right to deport people who've lived here for decades legally?

If someone is not a citizen and is a drain on the country then yes.

Why should any country allow people to stay who are a net negative and aren’t citizens?

When I lived and worked in the US I understood full-well that it was as a guest. There was a route to citizenship available should I want to take it but if I didn’t then I would remain a guest and could find myself being asked to leave one day.

MushMonster · Today 10:15

It is in their memorandum. Same as removing ILR, even retrospectively, is in Reform's. There is no denying it.
What I think is that if voters think that this will help to remove human traffickers, people involved in drugs, aggressive thugs, people avoiding tax or otherwise involved in illegal activities, I do not think that will be the case.
The police, Home Office and government can chuck these people in jail or deportedthis very instant. They do not need any further policies or legislation to do so.
What is likely to happen is that they will deport family law abiding people, because they know thay will not be aggressive and they know where to find them. Then they will say we got rid of x thousand criminals and that will be it. To be followed by the usual expensive court cases and compensations.
The guys that are criminals can be deported today. Why are they not pushing for that? That is the question I would like to have answered.

WaryCrow · Today 10:18

Yes the extreme right are shits. Women particularly need to be very concerned about their increasing power.

If the rich and middle classes had not abandoned the working people of Britain, destroying prosperity, agency and democracy, thinking it would be fun to turn us back into serfs and slaves in an empire so they can go hobnobbing with intercontinental jet sets, then we wouldn’t be in this position.

Open borders and mass migration are bloody stupid - one small island cannot play host to the population of the whole world. The illusion that we are all the same and cultural values play no part in society has to stop. The evils that men - I do mean men- can do are very well documented throughout history.

ilovebrie8 · Today 10:23

For years and years this has been building, no one asked for this level of migration that we now have.

We have circa £20 million more people than we did in the late 1990's since about 1997 we have grown exponentially.

We don't have the infrastructure, hospitals, houses, doctors, schools roads never mind the culture clash and third world ideologies imported etc.

Drastic action needs to be taken at this stage as this has been ignored and compounded by all the main parties.

Anyone saying that they were concerned were labelled racist which is not the case and now it is meaningless and won't wash.

Hence why Refrom and Restore are so popular out of nowhere and everyone i talk to supports them as they have had enough and are sick fed up of being talked down to by politicians and their concerns ignored.

So many towns and cities are unrecognisable in the last decade.

Nottodaythankyou123 · Today 10:25

hairbearbunches · Today 08:57

The main problem, as I see it, is that we're only being presented with two options when we desperately need a third.

Option 1 is what we have now - a government like rabbits caught in headlights, unable to stop the boats, unable to stop the now visible back door through Dublin route, stuffed full of progressives hell bent on atoning for the sins of colonialism and allowing completely unsuitable people to come and live here, with minimal checks on their history.

Option 2 - Restore/Reform - kicking out virtually everyone without a 500 year claim to being English (hyperbolic I know, but a grain of truth nonetheless.)

Neither of those two options are any good. But after an attack like the one in Belfast, to devote column inches to the threat of the far right (which is what the Guardian have done) is just gas lighting. The far right is a threat, but only because no-one in power is doing anything about ending Option 1 and coming up with something far most robust.

This is what I don’t get though - small boat crossings are down approx 37% since last year (and none in the last 5 days), net migration is down from 944,000 in 2023 to 171,000 by the end of 2025.

Pre-Brexit, there were pretty few small boat crossing (9 recorded between July 0214 - May 2016). It was post-brexit that the small boat crossings really took off. By and large, the same people who voted Brexit are the ones now voting reform to resolve an issue almost entirely caused by the very thing they voted for in the first place - baffling.

StandFirm · Today 10:30

Restore's agenda is to ethnically cleanse the country. I am using those words with the full understanding of what they mean.

MushMonster · Today 10:30

friedaklein · Today 09:59

There is a middle ground we need to find. I don't believe it is racist to be concerned about unvetted single men.

Exactly! There is a middle ground where balance is. But the only voices are heard is the stupid extremes.
The middle common sense is where we want to be.

caringcarer · Today 10:30

Shedmistress · Today 08:03

I live in France.

Each year for the first 5 I have to prove that I have the financial means to stay, that I am not taking benefits, that I have a place to live that I fund, that I pay my bills etc.

After that I have to keep doing that either every 5 years or 10.

Why should this be different to people coming to the UK?

Exactly most other countries are similar. However if the UK say no benefits for immigrants the left are up in arms. A moderate policy would be no benefits until immigrants have lived in UK and paid into UK system for 10 years. As it is their DC will get school places costing the UK money.

WaryCrow · Today 10:32

Reducing the boats does not stop immigration and does nothing to stop the fact that, as ilovebrie says, the population has increased by almost half again since 1990 and most of that is immigration. Increases and immigration are not stopping.

There’s also the fact of the impact on the economy of mass immigration, enabling training of our people to be ignored in favour of importing cheap people, destroying any chance of working for a living, the gleeful pushing of the rentier economy creating classes of haves and have nots, and computers taking jobs too.

These impacts take a while to work through an economy. The high and mighty ignored it when it was just plebs affected: that’s when it could have been mitigated or stopped.

No I’m afraid the consequences are here now, and while the very late mitigation is a start, that’s all it is. A very late sop.

Our politicians have got to get back to work, bleating about how people aren’t responding to a few late sops are not good enough. The issues we’re now facing are just the start of the trouble.

BlueSherbet · Today 10:33

Reading the guardian and own jones does not make for informed people.

I think Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain are brilliant. They dont need to win the election even, only put pressure on Reform (the same way Reform have done to the mainstream).

Some of Reforms policies have already noticeably hardened, thanks to Restore.

My only concern is that the parties could cut each others throats at elections and so allow the uniparty to persevere.

The overton window of British politics and society has been severely skewed for a long time (decades) and Restore are part of the remedy to reset things in a more reasonable way.

It beyond crazy, for example, that some people think its "racist" to desire a properly functioning border control and asylum system. These systems exist to protect people and avoid incidents like the recent Belfast one, or the Ariana Grande concert bomb. This is what happens when you allow savages to flood into your nation.

Or that its "racist" to think unskilled, low IQ foreigners should not be allowed to come here, take social housing and live off benefits whilst contributing absolutely nothing. We have a cost of living crisis and so much of it is explained by our huge tax burden to, among other things, keep a massive "benefits class" safely on the couch in front of the TV, including millions of people who have no business being here at all.

Recently I had an argument with a relative who claimed it was "racist" to mention the fact that our local asylum seekers have driven up sex assaults and rapes to record levels for our city. Its amazing that some people think its wrong to tell the truth, if it is somehow negative about non white people. Absolutely remarkable.

Rupert Lowe is right, millions must go. I look forward to it.

Persephonia1966 · Today 10:34

Nottodaythankyou123 · Today 10:25

This is what I don’t get though - small boat crossings are down approx 37% since last year (and none in the last 5 days), net migration is down from 944,000 in 2023 to 171,000 by the end of 2025.

Pre-Brexit, there were pretty few small boat crossing (9 recorded between July 0214 - May 2016). It was post-brexit that the small boat crossings really took off. By and large, the same people who voted Brexit are the ones now voting reform to resolve an issue almost entirely caused by the very thing they voted for in the first place - baffling.

Also, the information sharing we lost out on https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/starmers-eu-criminal-migrant-5Hjd6K5_2/ we don't have access to their databases and sI think they don't to ours so fingerprinting won't necessarily tell you if they have committed crimes elsewhere. Labour already took some steps to increase information sharing but they need to do more. But the people who pushed Brexit (and labelled people warning this would have negative effects on info sharing as fear mongers) are now complaing that we aren't properly vetting new arrivals. Well, no shit Sherlock.

Starmer’s bid to boost border security blocked by EU over criminal and migrant data access | LBC

Sir Keir Starmer's efforts to enhance border security were thwarted after the European Union declined the UK's request for access to crucial databases used to track criminals and migrants.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/starmers-eu-criminal-migrant-5Hjd6K5_2/