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To be increasung concerned about Restore Britain.

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NoisyHiker · Today 07:20

I know many people don't like Owen Jones, but I found this article deeply disturbing.

I am a child of immigrants, and my children are mixed race. So things like this are really starting to worry me.

I completely understand why people are angry at the current rate and quality of immigration (my own family are also disgruntled with it). But Restore want to deport even those who have citizenship.

And I am genuinely concerned that things are going to get worse than Farage if the government don't get a grip on this.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/10/restore-britain-right-politics-white-supremacist

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Daygloboo · Today 08:36

EasternStandard · Today 08:25

Same re Kemi. The trickier part is her party lag in public perception. I’d love to see her as PM though, the men could learn from her on how to fix stuff.

Nah. She wouldn't handle it well in power. She'd get jittery and knee jerk into ineffectual radical stuff disguised as ' strong' leadership. She's not the Maggie she thinks she is.

NoisyHiker · Today 08:38

CakesofPan · Today 08:35

I’m not concerned, they’ll split the far right vote and that can only be a good thing.

I am concerned because that is exactly what was said about Reform when they first arrived on the scene. That they were never going to get any power, and were actually a good thing because they would split the right vote between the Conservatives and Reform.

And now we have to seriously consider that Farage could be the next PM.

So Restore gaining in popularity seems like a distinct danger to me.

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ViciousCurrentBun · Today 08:41

I’m also mixed race but due to my Fathers very dominant genetics I pass for full. I remember racism in the 1970’s as a child and it does feel we are going backwards. Rate and quality of immigrants sounds bad doesn’t it but I understand this and have non white friends who also feel this way.

The one thing about Restore is it will split the vote with Reform it’s the only positive I can think of.

Thanks for such a succinct post @KateSixer, I also have a lot of time for Kemi.

ThePeppyOpalScroller · Today 08:47

You'd have to have police officers and border force officers willing to actually drag children from their beds, put them in the back of police vans, imprison them, and then drag them onto planes. They would have to all be accompanied by officers and handed over to border officials in their respective countries. We dont have millions of officers to spare to sit on flights to deport "millions" of people. Also, I dont think anyone would be willing to actually drag those children away. This isn't America. ICE may be full of star spangled banner worshipping, gun loving, psychis in uniform, but we just don't have that mindset here. Or people willing to do that to others. Police might be incompetent and some slightly racist and lazy. But as Pink Floyd sang "you'll never hear their standard issue kicking in your door"

And I'd prefer to live next door to a three headed Martian than my current "British" weed smoking, unemployed, racist dickhead neighbours. So I dont think thay party will win many votes.

GentleSheep · Today 08:48

This Labour government (and previous governments) have failed to address the uncontrolled immigration that goes on day in, day out. Our country cannot support that level of immigration. Yes we need immigrants but not at this current rate.

According to a quick Google, 'The Labour Party manifesto promised to reduce net migration by ending the over-reliance on overseas workers. Key pledges included linking immigration and skills policies, creating a new Border Security Command to tackle small boat crossings, and establishing a new returns and enforcement unit to accelerate removals. They promised to process asylum applications faster and end the use of hotels for housing asylum seekers. They promised new capped, safe, and legal routes for refugees, alongside working internationally to address the root causes of humanitarian crises.'

I don't see much evidence of any of this. Now, instead of holding up their hands and trying to do better and admitting they are failing us, they have the cheek to blame us for being 'far right' if we protest about any of this! So of course you're going to get hard liners like Farage and Lowe who propose drastic (and unpalatable) measures. This government needs to go. I may vote Tory for the first time ever, but 2029 is a long way off.

Fillies4DeclanRice · Today 08:51

ThisOliveKoala · Today 08:31

Again, when or how?

During apartheid black South Africans were called terrorists for fighting for freedom. Some countries supported them, some did not. Interestingly enough Israel supported the SA Apartheid regime, so in light of today would we still say black South Africans were the were the terrorists? What would we say about the countries that supported and propped up the Apartheid regime?

if we look at what happened before the 7th attacks against Israel. Months before, years before, would you say the Israeli attacks against Palestines were terrorist attacks as well? That would be fair, so that means both Palestine and Israel would be guilty of terrorist attacks no?

Palestine is run by a government that explicitly wants all Jews to be killed.

Israel has had every right to defend itself against attacks against extreme Islamism.

Israel defending itself is not a justification for extremists to invade a country and carry out mass rapes and mass murder.

And anyone who pretends they think otherwise is a racist.

WeirdyBeardyMarrowBabyLady · Today 08:53

Fillies4DeclanRice · Today 07:32

Owen Jones is truly racist - some of the stuff he's said about Jews are word for word the same as what Nick Griffin has said

Im no OJ apologist and I appreciate he attracts strong views but unless you have evidence that ‘word for word’ he has said the same about Jews (not Israel, Palestine, Zionism) as the former leader of the BNP then I’d be tempted to delete as I think it’s probably a step too far.

Littlebitpsycho · Today 08:54

napody · Today 07:40

Yes, facts are inconvenient. Out of interest, what WOULD he have to do or say to be unacceptable to you?

And you STILL haven't addressed the ILR point. Did you support Farages proposal to deport people with indefinite leave to remain, that have been here legally for decades?

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I don't agree with deporting people with ILR generally, provided they are contributing i.e have a job, learn English, integrate. However if they commit a serious crime I don't see why they shouldnt have their ILR revoked and be deported.

My ex boyfriends parents came over from their country of origin shortly after he did (they got ILR back when EU citizens could 'just come')

Neither of them ever worked or learned a single word of English, yet were promptly given over 60s council accommodation and full benefits. Father was poorly and was in and out of hospital, so free NHS care on top of that.

Do i think they should have been allowed to stay? No, not really

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Today 08:56

I think you're right to be concerned, OP.

At the moment, Restore are useful idiots who will hopefully split the far right vote to keep Reform out of power.

But the more popular they get, the further to the right Farage will shift in order to chase those voters. And as he shifts further to the right, so will the other mainstream parties. And we still don't know where this will all end up.

Ablondiebutagoody · Today 08:57

Restore and Owen Jones are 2 sides of the same coin. They need each other for clicks and neither will come anywhere near to holding political power.

My DC is mixed race and I don't give a shit about Restore Britain.

hairbearbunches · Today 08:57

The main problem, as I see it, is that we're only being presented with two options when we desperately need a third.

Option 1 is what we have now - a government like rabbits caught in headlights, unable to stop the boats, unable to stop the now visible back door through Dublin route, stuffed full of progressives hell bent on atoning for the sins of colonialism and allowing completely unsuitable people to come and live here, with minimal checks on their history.

Option 2 - Restore/Reform - kicking out virtually everyone without a 500 year claim to being English (hyperbolic I know, but a grain of truth nonetheless.)

Neither of those two options are any good. But after an attack like the one in Belfast, to devote column inches to the threat of the far right (which is what the Guardian have done) is just gas lighting. The far right is a threat, but only because no-one in power is doing anything about ending Option 1 and coming up with something far most robust.

Fillies4DeclanRice · Today 08:58

WeirdyBeardyMarrowBabyLady · Today 08:53

Im no OJ apologist and I appreciate he attracts strong views but unless you have evidence that ‘word for word’ he has said the same about Jews (not Israel, Palestine, Zionism) as the former leader of the BNP then I’d be tempted to delete as I think it’s probably a step too far.

There are numerous quotes on social media comparing the two. It's a widely known fact.

Maybe do some googling or ask AI before commenting?

TheFrendo · Today 09:00

The dislike of immigration and immigration policy is not racist.

To halt and reverse the flow is not racist.

I don't care if you are Albanian or Sudanese. I want illegals gone. I want criminals gone. I want those that do not integrate gone etc.

Hoardasurass · Today 09:02

Honeyhonay · Today 07:28

Actually it’s a Restore policy to deport legal immigrants in several circumstances, if they end up claiming any benefits for example.

Or are convicted of a crime.
Being granted a visa or right to remain are a privilege and are contingent on you obeying our laws, break them and you are supposed to be deported already (thats what the law currently says though is rarely enacted). Restore are saying that they will enforce the law and deported all foreign criminals upon conviction.
I personally have no problem with criminals being sent back home and barred from ever entering the UK again.
Do you have a problem with foreign criminals being deported and if so why?
Of you are here on a work or student visa you should not be eligible for any benefits at all.
There is an argument for people with ILR to be eligible for some child related benefits for children born in the UK

Edited for typo

friedaklein · Today 09:04

Hoardasurass · Today 09:02

Or are convicted of a crime.
Being granted a visa or right to remain are a privilege and are contingent on you obeying our laws, break them and you are supposed to be deported already (thats what the law currently says though is rarely enacted). Restore are saying that they will enforce the law and deported all foreign criminals upon conviction.
I personally have no problem with criminals being sent back home and barred from ever entering the UK again.
Do you have a problem with foreign criminals being deported and if so why?
Of you are here on a work or student visa you should not be eligible for any benefits at all.
There is an argument for people with ILR to be eligible for some child related benefits for children born in the UK

Edited for typo

Edited

What's IDL?

EasternStandard · Today 09:05

Daygloboo · Today 08:36

Nah. She wouldn't handle it well in power. She'd get jittery and knee jerk into ineffectual radical stuff disguised as ' strong' leadership. She's not the Maggie she thinks she is.

No she wouldn’t. And she hasn’t said she’s Maggie. That’s more your take.

TequillaSunset · Today 09:05

Fillies4DeclanRice · Today 07:32

Owen Jones is truly racist - some of the stuff he's said about Jews are word for word the same as what Nick Griffin has said

BS!! He is opposed to genocide. Nothing remotely racist about that.

Persephonia1966 · Today 09:06

GentleSheep · Today 08:48

This Labour government (and previous governments) have failed to address the uncontrolled immigration that goes on day in, day out. Our country cannot support that level of immigration. Yes we need immigrants but not at this current rate.

According to a quick Google, 'The Labour Party manifesto promised to reduce net migration by ending the over-reliance on overseas workers. Key pledges included linking immigration and skills policies, creating a new Border Security Command to tackle small boat crossings, and establishing a new returns and enforcement unit to accelerate removals. They promised to process asylum applications faster and end the use of hotels for housing asylum seekers. They promised new capped, safe, and legal routes for refugees, alongside working internationally to address the root causes of humanitarian crises.'

I don't see much evidence of any of this. Now, instead of holding up their hands and trying to do better and admitting they are failing us, they have the cheek to blame us for being 'far right' if we protest about any of this! So of course you're going to get hard liners like Farage and Lowe who propose drastic (and unpalatable) measures. This government needs to go. I may vote Tory for the first time ever, but 2029 is a long way off.

They did reduce net migration. And no, it isn't just because lots of British people are leaving. Less people are arriving than previous years
When people point this out they get told "yes, but not the right kinds of people/not the asylum seekers" that have been reduced but its what Labour said they would di. labour also did the other things you mentioned like setting up the border security command: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/border-security-command/about and applications are being processed faster

The problem is, the goal posts keep getting moved so that political entrepreneurs can keep saying that people aren't being listened to. Labours broken lots of promises. But not really on migration.

And before the Brexit vote opponents of Leave said that it would disrupt cooperation with the EU and risk higher numbers of asylum seekers arriving. Supporters of Brexit (including Farage) said that by reducing the number of EU workers Brexit could increase the number of commonwealth workers coming to the UK. People may have chosen to ignore that (or didn't hear it) and voted in the hope migration would reduce overall. But if they were lied to it was by Farage who told different things to different people.

About us

The Border Security Command provides strategic leadership across the border security system to disrupt the activity of organised crime groups which facilitate irregular migration including small boat crossings.

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/border-security-command/about

friedaklein · Today 09:07

Hoardasurass · Today 09:02

Or are convicted of a crime.
Being granted a visa or right to remain are a privilege and are contingent on you obeying our laws, break them and you are supposed to be deported already (thats what the law currently says though is rarely enacted). Restore are saying that they will enforce the law and deported all foreign criminals upon conviction.
I personally have no problem with criminals being sent back home and barred from ever entering the UK again.
Do you have a problem with foreign criminals being deported and if so why?
Of you are here on a work or student visa you should not be eligible for any benefits at all.
There is an argument for people with ILR to be eligible for some child related benefits for children born in the UK

Edited for typo

Edited

People on work and student visas are already barred from claiming benefits until they get ILR. This has always been the case. And time spent here on a student visa does not count towards ILR.

Persephonia1966 · Today 09:08

Whether the things Labour are doing that they promised to do are the right things or will have the effect they want is another issue. The border command thing may be a big inneffective waste of money. But you can't include it in a list of broken promises when it literally exists.

WeirdyBeardyMarrowBabyLady · Today 09:08

Fillies4DeclanRice · Today 08:58

There are numerous quotes on social media comparing the two. It's a widely known fact.

Maybe do some googling or ask AI before commenting?

Im not asking AI for anything which I’m seeking actual evidence of. You made an assertion and I’m asking for proof.

northernspanishlass · Today 09:09

Dont agree with this. Lets worry about the here and now to get our society sorted. The way things are with Labour causing division, stirring the pot and deflecting to others without taking any responsibility themselves. They have the power to stop all this madness and reverse the issues we have in society. And yet they dont.

Anotherdayofrain · Today 09:10

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

No one should ever trust the government.

ElvirRamcic · Today 09:15

Restore are a bunch of extreme right-wing cranks. They aren’t going to win power and if anything they reduce the chance of a right-wing government by siphoning off Reform voters.

I agree their rhetoric is ugly but they aren’t going to be in a position to implement any of this stuff.

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