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AIBU to think something significant needs to be done by the government to stop these horrific events occurring?

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Northermcharn · Yesterday 19:11

'Afghan men 'fled UK in lorry after raping girl'

Mobile phone footage recovered from Safi's phone showed the men in the lorry laughing and gesticulating, which Hetherington said suggested they thought they "got away with it".

When they were found by French police in Calais on 3 December, they were returned to the UK.
Hetherington said the trio had no travel documents or identification and had given false names to French authorities.
After their real names were checked on police systems, they were arrested on suspicion of rape.
Sali, of St Werburghs, denies one count of human trafficking and two charges of rape.
Habibkheil, of Lockleaze, denies one count of human trafficking and one charge of rape.
Ahmadzai, of Redcliffe, denies one charge of rape and one charge of assault by penetration.
The 16-year-old also denied one charge of rape.
The trial continues.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx7rxj57zyo

The exterior entrance of Bristol Crown Court. It is a large sand coloured building with white columns outside the front, and large arched wooden double doors on the left.

Afghan men accused of fleeing UK after raping girl in Bristol

A jury is told three defendants left the country in a "deeply unusual" way after the alleged rape.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx7rxj57zyo

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bilbohaggins · Yesterday 20:45

@Yetanotherone12i voted remain, but the Dublin agreement makes little difference - we previously accepted more people than we ever returned! If you look at historic returns, it’s actually tiny. The database access might help, but only if you actually return people- the Germans are returning people to Afghanistan but we are not, knowing a bit more about them really isn’t making a lot of difference frankly!

ShetlandishMum · Yesterday 20:46

bilbohaggins · Yesterday 20:43

Yes @ShetlandishMumbut initially asylum seekers are given temporary residence for just 1 to two years and if their countries are subsequently deemed to be safe, they are sent back. Lots of people will be sent back way before they get to the 8 years, which is still extremely stringent - how many uk based asylum seekers are going to manage those criteria?!

Not what you posted.

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · Yesterday 20:49

hattie43 · Yesterday 20:45

Have them move onto your street . People like you are the problem

How? Why would you assume I don't live in and area, and spend time with, refugees?

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:51

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · Yesterday 20:49

How? Why would you assume I don't live in and area, and spend time with, refugees?

The system you want isn’t good enough at vetting. No one should suffer what happened in Belfast.

Samysungy · Yesterday 20:52

Somerford · Yesterday 20:40

Yeah, you've attempted this before on another thread. It didn't work then either.

Attempted to identify the root cause of misogyny? Wanting to make it a crime and tackle the cause....?

Great, by all means ignore it and let it continue.....good luck!

How is it working out ignoring it, so far.....?

KateSixer · Yesterday 20:53

It's just a shit show, government for the lawyers by the lawyers.

Everyone has rights that are somehow more important than the rights of those of us who obey the law and pay our extortionate taxes for terribly incompetent public services.

Two tier Kier started as a joke but it's become an undeniable reality in the last 12 months or so. Just appalling.

There are so many well meaning people who need to wake up and see the reality. MN is full of these well meaning but sloppy thinkers.

It needn't mean running into the arms of Farage but it does mean stopping being in denial and deciding on how we make our country wealthier again.

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · Yesterday 20:54

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:51

The system you want isn’t good enough at vetting. No one should suffer what happened in Belfast.

So make the system better. Reject the message that would say refugee = criminal, as this thread is trying to do.

Somerford · Yesterday 20:54

Samysungy · Yesterday 20:52

Attempted to identify the root cause of misogyny? Wanting to make it a crime and tackle the cause....?

Great, by all means ignore it and let it continue.....good luck!

How is it working out ignoring it, so far.....?

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Still no.

Dnfs · Yesterday 20:55

Yetanotherone12 · Yesterday 20:44

Don’t be ridiculous.

universities are struggling as it is. Take away the millions that Chinese and other international student pump in in fees, and also to the local economies in rent and living costs, well either see university fees for uk students increase, or the institutions collapse.

we need tourism. It generates massive income.

we also need foreign workers. They prop up the nhs, we need to be able to bring in expertise from round the world in academia and other fields. Hell we even need seasonal workers for crop picking- a farm local to me has really struggled post Brexit with the loss of European temporary workers.

What about spouses? No Brit can every marry anyone not from the Uk as they won’t get a visa to come and live here?

getting a visa is not an easy process. There are background checks, interviews. It’s also fucking expensive- people on visas aren’t likely to start committing crime after going through all the hoops..

then you’ve also got the repercussions that if we stop granting visas, we’ll be stopped from getting visas elsewhere… so no holidays or trips abroad…

Prioritise immigration then from western countries and other nations with low crime rates and people who work hard and integrate.

Samysungy · Yesterday 20:56

Somerford · Yesterday 20:54

Still no.

Still not working out for you....?

Figured.....

Gonna continue ignoring it then and let it continue......

OonaStubbs · Yesterday 20:56

When we have a former "human rights" lawyer as PM, what can we expect? They simply don't care about the rights of normal British people, as long as they can get their greedy snouts in the trough.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 20:56

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · Yesterday 20:54

So make the system better. Reject the message that would say refugee = criminal, as this thread is trying to do.

How will you do that? How will you check a man from Sudan

KateSixer · Yesterday 20:56

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · Yesterday 20:54

So make the system better. Reject the message that would say refugee = criminal, as this thread is trying to do.

Why? Most of them are criminal. They have crossed countless safe countries on their way to the UK. That at the very least is dishonest.

Asylum is about personal safety. Not cherry picking our (ridiculous) benefits system.

TheDogsMother · Yesterday 20:57

Lugol · Yesterday 19:59

I'm starting to think it's the government bringing them in.

Otherwise, why won't they do something about them?

Women and girls are raped, people are being stabbed, yet our government says absolutely fuck all about it.

I sometimes wonder about this. Is there some agenda we were not aware of ? Maybe something to tackle an ageing population ? Otherwise why does it continue ?

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Yesterday 20:57

Samysungy · Yesterday 20:38

All males born into England are born into a culture of misogyny. It is what England is well known for...

The root cause of this needs to be tackled....and without being able to name the root cause and make it a crime then it will not be tackled.

What in earth are you on about?

It wasn’t ‘misogyny’ that led a Sudanese man to try and behead an Irish man, or Valdo Calocane and to kill 3 people in Nottingham or Anthony Esan to attempt to kill a British soldier (the reports were played down but he also had serious knife injuries to his neck) or the various terrorist attacks by lone men armed with knives, often on men.

Can anyone spot a pattern yet?

The first terrorist knife attack in Britain remains the highest-profile, because of the target – a soldier – and the fact the bloody aftermath was caught on mobile phone footage. The killing of Fusilier Lee Rigby outside Woolwich barracks in May 2013 by Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale was by no means the last of such low-tech attacks in Britain, however.
Several were foiled, including one planned by Brusthom Ziamani, a 19-year-old Muslim convert caught wandering the streets of east London with a knife, hammer and Isis flag hunting for a target the following year.
Three months later, in November 2014, Nadir Syed, 23, from Hounslow, west London, was arrested after buying an 11in kitchen knife at a shop in Ealing with a plan to attack a Remembrance Day poppy- seller.
Junead Khan, 25, a delivery driver from Luton, was arrested in July 2015 as he planned to stage a road accident and then kill a US airman outside a base in East Anglia with a combat knife. In December that year, Muhiddin Mire tried to behead a man at Leytonstone tube station in east London, shouting: “This is for Syria, I’m going to spill your blood”.
The following year, four men who called themselves the “Musketeers” were arrested for plotting an attack with a pipe bomb and a meat cleaver with the word “Kafir” [infidel] scratched into the blade after MI5 and police set up a fake courier company to catch them.
Then, in March 2017, Khalid Masood killed five people in Westminster, running over four victims on the bridge and then stabbing PC Keith Palmer to death. That sparked a series of copycat plots, with Ummariyat Mirza, 21, a trainee accountant from Alum Rock in Birmingham, arrested a week later after promising his wife he would murder people on their wedding day.
The next month, Mina Dich, 42, and her daughters Rizlaine Boular, 20, and Safaa Boular, 16, from Willesden in north London, were arrested after discussing a knife attack on a police officer outside parliament, in a plot they dubbed the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party.
In June 2017, Khuram Butt, 27, Rachid Redouane, 32, and Youssef Zaghba, 22, ran down and killed two people on London Bridge and then stabbed to death six more using kitchen knives they had strapped to their wrists.
Then, last December, there was another knife attack on London Bridge when Usman Khan, 28, from Stoke-on-Trent, who had formerly been jailed for terror offences, killed two former Cambridge University students at a prisoner rehabilitation event at the Fishmonger’s Hall.
In February this year, Sudesh Faraz Amman, 20, from Harrow, North London, another former terrorism prisoner, was shot dead by undercover police officers as he launched a knife attack in Streatham, south London.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/21/seven-years-of-terrorist-knife-attacks-in-the-uk

Dnfs · Yesterday 20:57

The shit that goes on in Sudan is miles worse than what happens here. The scale there is atrocious

Somerford · Yesterday 20:58

Samysungy · Yesterday 20:56

Still not working out for you....?

Figured.....

Gonna continue ignoring it then and let it continue......

I'll do you a deal. I'll campaign to tackle the UK's misogyny problem once we have a zero asylum policy and an extensive programme to repatriate all criminal, antisocial and/or poorly integrated immigrants. Priorities and all that.

Northermcharn · Yesterday 20:59

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · Yesterday 20:54

So make the system better. Reject the message that would say refugee = criminal, as this thread is trying to do.

Christ. That's rather facile. That is not what this thread is doing at all. Interesting that is what you project though..

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canuckup · Yesterday 20:59

The Irish weren't messing in Belfast:

As chants of 'secure our borders, mass deportation', and 'stop the boats, send them home' rang out.

Why is the rest of the UK such a pushover??? Just tell it like it is.

He was given 5 YEARS leave to remain.

Begs belief

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · Yesterday 20:59

KateSixer · Yesterday 20:56

Why? Most of them are criminal. They have crossed countless safe countries on their way to the UK. That at the very least is dishonest.

Asylum is about personal safety. Not cherry picking our (ridiculous) benefits system.

It is just not factually accurate to say that most refugees are criminals. It's a lie. We can have a conversation about immigration, but you need to stick to facts.

Samysungy · Yesterday 21:00

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Yesterday 20:57

What in earth are you on about?

It wasn’t ‘misogyny’ that led a Sudanese man to try and behead an Irish man, or Valdo Calocane and to kill 3 people in Nottingham or Anthony Esan to attempt to kill a British soldier (the reports were played down but he also had serious knife injuries to his neck) or the various terrorist attacks by lone men armed with knives, often on men.

Can anyone spot a pattern yet?

The first terrorist knife attack in Britain remains the highest-profile, because of the target – a soldier – and the fact the bloody aftermath was caught on mobile phone footage. The killing of Fusilier Lee Rigby outside Woolwich barracks in May 2013 by Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale was by no means the last of such low-tech attacks in Britain, however.
Several were foiled, including one planned by Brusthom Ziamani, a 19-year-old Muslim convert caught wandering the streets of east London with a knife, hammer and Isis flag hunting for a target the following year.
Three months later, in November 2014, Nadir Syed, 23, from Hounslow, west London, was arrested after buying an 11in kitchen knife at a shop in Ealing with a plan to attack a Remembrance Day poppy- seller.
Junead Khan, 25, a delivery driver from Luton, was arrested in July 2015 as he planned to stage a road accident and then kill a US airman outside a base in East Anglia with a combat knife. In December that year, Muhiddin Mire tried to behead a man at Leytonstone tube station in east London, shouting: “This is for Syria, I’m going to spill your blood”.
The following year, four men who called themselves the “Musketeers” were arrested for plotting an attack with a pipe bomb and a meat cleaver with the word “Kafir” [infidel] scratched into the blade after MI5 and police set up a fake courier company to catch them.
Then, in March 2017, Khalid Masood killed five people in Westminster, running over four victims on the bridge and then stabbing PC Keith Palmer to death. That sparked a series of copycat plots, with Ummariyat Mirza, 21, a trainee accountant from Alum Rock in Birmingham, arrested a week later after promising his wife he would murder people on their wedding day.
The next month, Mina Dich, 42, and her daughters Rizlaine Boular, 20, and Safaa Boular, 16, from Willesden in north London, were arrested after discussing a knife attack on a police officer outside parliament, in a plot they dubbed the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party.
In June 2017, Khuram Butt, 27, Rachid Redouane, 32, and Youssef Zaghba, 22, ran down and killed two people on London Bridge and then stabbed to death six more using kitchen knives they had strapped to their wrists.
Then, last December, there was another knife attack on London Bridge when Usman Khan, 28, from Stoke-on-Trent, who had formerly been jailed for terror offences, killed two former Cambridge University students at a prisoner rehabilitation event at the Fishmonger’s Hall.
In February this year, Sudesh Faraz Amman, 20, from Harrow, North London, another former terrorism prisoner, was shot dead by undercover police officers as he launched a knife attack in Streatham, south London.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/21/seven-years-of-terrorist-knife-attacks-in-the-uk

The OP wrote about a rape.....I responded to the OP....

Did you read the post about the rape or did you not even bother reading the OP? It started with these words...

'Afghan men 'fled UK in lorry after raping girl'

OonaStubbs · Yesterday 21:00

Why do we need to import criminals from other countries? What is the purpose of it? Who does it benefit?

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · Yesterday 21:01

Northermcharn · Yesterday 20:59

Christ. That's rather facile. That is not what this thread is doing at all. Interesting that is what you project though..

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What is it doing then? Because from what I can see, you are using a tragic and horrific assault on a vulnerable young woman to, once again, attack immigrants.
If I'm wrong, and that's not your aim, I'm willing to be corrected, but that seems to be what you're doing.

Dnfs · Yesterday 21:02

canuckup · Yesterday 20:59

The Irish weren't messing in Belfast:

As chants of 'secure our borders, mass deportation', and 'stop the boats, send them home' rang out.

Why is the rest of the UK such a pushover??? Just tell it like it is.

He was given 5 YEARS leave to remain.

Begs belief

Why was he given any leave to remain at all?

Samysungy · Yesterday 21:02

Somerford · Yesterday 20:58

I'll do you a deal. I'll campaign to tackle the UK's misogyny problem once we have a zero asylum policy and an extensive programme to repatriate all criminal, antisocial and/or poorly integrated immigrants. Priorities and all that.

You want more? Makes no sense at all!