Is it too late to turn the uk around?

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Is it too far gone now?

The economy is in flatline,

No, it isn't. Despite the massive problems left by the last government, and the further problems caused by the idiocy of Brexit, In the first quarter of this year, for example, our growth was ahead of the US, France, Germany, Canada and Italy.

This is bullshit. Have you pulled it out of your arse or swallowed it whole from GB News? Stop falling for this nonsense, it's actually embarrassing.

Yup!

I am British and live in another country, definitely no interpreters, I had to learn the language, assimilation and all that

I asked OP.

People are not jailed just for having an opinion. They may be jailed if their expression of their opinions places them in breach of legislation which has been in place for over 30 years. The authorities don't allow dangerous people to commit murder through fear of being called racist, witness the arrest,, charge and conviction of Vickrum Digwa. etc etc etc. You're just reciting a load of fiction fed to you by the ultra right wing press because you want to believe it.

There's an old English poem called the Ruin which is basically an Anglo Saxon guy wondering around some Roman ruins feeling vaguely wistful. And.now we wonder around medieval ruins and feel the same way.

First there were giants but they died. Then the Romans came and killed a load of people and drained our lovely bogs. Then the Romans left and we stopped having hot water. Then vikings. Then 1066. Then a load of war.and plague. Then empire which many disagreed with at the time plus industrialisation of our green and pleasant land. Then we stopped having an empire and many disagreed with that. Then Thatcher. Then Cadburys changed their recipe.

It's been one bloody thing after another basically and will continue to be so for ever I imagine.

What I do observe in my own shithole town:

potholes everywhere
lots of cheap quality new build housing but no real investment in supporting infrastructure
lots of newly arrived people
green belt land being eroded all the time
empty town/city centres
fewer people abiding by the Highway Code on the road
lack of jobs for young people
Flags
Dog shit bags and litter

What I observe that doesn’t seem so bad:

NHS services
Public transport (frequency and efficiency)
Parks and heritage sites
School place availability
Sporting events and concerts
The number of people who don’t fly flags
Wetherspoons!

What this country needs to ‘turn it around’ is a thriving economy and a boost to British business. But unfortunately we will have to wait until the predictable ‘tax anything that moves to pay benefits’ government is kicked out, and hopefully we get a new set of ministers who are more business minded and forward thinking.

As other people have pointed out, they happily believe what I am saying because their own experience demonstrates that what you claim is not true. You simply mean that you choose to close your eyes and ears to easily ascertainable facts because you choose not to believe them whenever they don't suit your agenda.

Tell me, if you think that children with SEND should not receive support to meet their needs in school, what do you say should happen to them?

No I was just one of the English speaking patients at the bottom of the heap

I believe it's based on a definition of white British which means that not only must the kid be white and born in the UK but both parents must also have been born in the UK. Otherwise the child can be pale as milk but is still counted in the "not white British" side of the stats. Looked at like that things are really dire! Not only is our own king not white British but neither was Winston Churchill. Or for that matter Nigel Farage's own children or even Stephen Yaxley Lennon. The country is in a truly dire state when not even our far right agitors are white British!!!

It's a definition deliberately chosen to produce misleading statistics.

I hope you're right but I don't think so.
The UK is not in a good place, too many blame the wrong people and will vote accordingly and unfortunately they think Reform is the answer as never been in charge before.

I don't think our past will predict our future on this one but would more than happily eat my words.

I’ve done a very quick google search and it put kids at 4-5 as 63-68% white British and “white” as high as 73%.

Obviously those stats might be wrong too, but clearly there’s some doubt about the correct figure.

DD goes to a school in a major multicultural city and in her 21 strong class, every child bar 2 of them are white.

So you've taken your own personal experience, where you've probably made lots of assumptions, and extrapolated it to the entirety of the UK...

Were you explicitly told by health professionals that you were at the bottom of the list or have you jumped to conclusions and made it up?

Most of those were Tory policies.

I think it is too far gone yes.

Certain cultures cannot gel well together, particularly the extremists amongst them and we've allowed full reign and no restraint.

Expecting them to co exist peacefully when they categorically do not align within a tightly packed population is proving to be a recipe for disaster.

We can be multi racial but multicultural? No. I firmly believe that racism is going to get worse because of the problems surrounding the desperation to be fully multicultural. We are tiny island fgs!

And we are not even close to seeing the full fall out of this yet.

Take a look at the news. Countries are at war and tearing each other to shreds, innocent people are being caught up in it, some countries have people who are starving on the streets.

Do you really think we are in a worse position than anyone else? The cost of living is tough but we have the NHS (crap though it is), the welfare state and the right to vote for our representatives.

The UK has been without any real means of making money for many a year. Every gov has kicked the can down the road, tinkering around the edges with taxes and whatnot and money has gone and the country is falling apart.
Labour, who you think are not doing any good are in fact, doing good. Productivity growth is up, investments are being secured.
And they've inherited a very badly run UK, services stripped, biggest debt in a long long time, Brexit, Russian War and now Iran war. This is not easy!

And while they are far from perfect they're doing better than the British press right wing spin would lead you to believe.

Most of this shit has been going on for decades. It’s not new - it’s just that news is so much more accessible as is our ‘need’ for it. Bad news sells so the media are churning out more and more - news media doesn’t report the news; it creates the news in order to sell more papers/likes/adverts.

When would you like to go back to? The 1970s? General strikes, power cuts and Valium?
The 1980s - miner’s strike, AIDS, threat of nuclear war?
The 1990s - Gulf War, Diana death
The 2000s -9/11, Iraq War, financial crisis, London bombings?
The 2010s - Brexit, Grenfell, Trump?

Time travel is not possible. Nor is freezing time.

This was as true now it was in 2012, 1996, 1976, 1946 or 46BC.

These posts are so depressing, people just falling for inaccurate right wing clap trap. If someone offers simple answers to what are complex global problems then you really can’t trust them. Humans seem destined to constantly repeat the same mistakes.

Before what? Before Covid? Before the banking crisis? Before Thatcher? Before WW2? Before the Depression of the 1930s?

I think the culture wars and division are the worst I’ve known .

I think we are finished unless politicians (and crucially more than half the population) realises money does not grow on trees.

To be successful as a country you need meaningful economic growth in the private sector.

The private sector pays for the public sector and welfare.

If we don't radically slim our bloated and inefficient public sector and reduce our welfare costs we are doomed.

Why would anyone start a business in the UK now if they had the option of starting it elsewhere. Until the UK once again becomes an attractive place to start and grow businesses we are going to keep sinking.

Logically everyone is at the bottom of the wait list when they join it. And over time they work their way up the list.

You are justifiably unhappy that you are waiting a long time for nhs services, but that's due to numbers of referrals, cuts in funding and nhs inefficiencies, people not turning up for appts, rather than one group being put to the bottom of the list. Or are you an nhs manager with access to lots of different wait lists that you can know for sure that certain groups are put to the bottom? I am, and can say for sure in my area that that is not the case

The nhs does need a total overhaul though, but which parry is actually going to be brave and smart enough to do so?