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To have expected him to have said something?

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poorlytoe · Yesterday 13:21

We had a date night planned as we both thought we needed to spend some quality time together so we bought some wine, agreed on a nice meal to have just us once the little ones had gone to bed which is 7:00.

Anyway about 6:50 just as I was upstairs getting the children ready for bed and looking forward to the evening we had planned, step son turned up baring in mind he is in his 20s and lives a 10 minute walk away, I assumed he wouldn’t stay long as Dh would probably say we had already made plans this evening but Dh said nothing while our plans went down the pan and stepson sat there until 10:15 before going home and all Dh could say was it wasn’t his fault as he didn’t know he was going to turn up.
AIBU to have thought he would have said something as we had plans?
I hadn’t bought enough ingredients for a date night for 3 so I didn’t end up cooking the salmon but Dh did open the wine and pour it 3 ways.

OP posts:
neilyoungismyhero · Today 19:52

If I ever rock up at my children's house without warning I always ask if they're busy and we have a relationship where we can actually be honest with each other and they either say yes we're doing so and so, just about to eat, or whatever and off I go...it's simple and polite to ask.

Missypuddingchops · Today 20:01

Nah...youre all being bloody harsh!! Hes in his 20s ffs!. And this is mumsnet right??? So any night or time we can get to mske it special is important!!! Id be pissed off too....if my kid turned up id give a cheeky wink and say were having a night in so come back tomorrow....a date night doesnt always mean going out!!! Some people cant afford it...plus taxis and childcare...it was supposed to be a nice night. Stepson needs to read the room...so does your hubby

Anibanani · Today 20:03

idkbroidk · Yesterday 14:33

are you guys on crack, how is everyone justifying what the son did??? OP is 10000% in the right and DP should have told SS that they had a pre-organised date night and he should come back another time!!! also the fact that he split the wine 3 ways would have my blood boiling

It’s his son and her stepson! You would make your own son or stepson feel unwelcome in your home? Really? Would you do that with other visitors who popped in to see you? I can’t imagine under any circumstances ever saying to a visitor that they would have to leave as my husband and I had planned to be on our own that evening. I would be so hurt if my father said that to me and if it were someone else who made me feel so unwanted/unwelcome, I’d never visit again. Different if they were going out somewhere, of course.
The children go to bed at 7, the salmon will keep and she had one third rather than half the wine. She’s very lucky her stepson wants to visit and feels welcome. I would be very grateful for that.

AlexStocks · Today 20:11

Did he need something? Extra support or was he just popping in? I'd be livid unless kid needed support.

AlexStocks · Today 20:17

This feels like an easy fix. sorry, we have plans! Why aren't there boundaries with this adult child?

LoremIpsumCici · Today 20:45

I understand your disappointment, but I would think less of my husband if he didn’t prioritise his or our kids over a booty call. Yes his son is a young adult but that means he likely needed to be with his dad for his emotional well being. You can have a nice night the two of you some other time. And it’s good practice because your little ones won’t be little forever. In a few years you two will need to get creative.

LoremIpsumCici · Today 20:49

poorlytoe · Today 16:36

He has never had any friends, so he’s always just hung around here, it’s not on to take over someone’s life like that.
It’s one thing to accommodate a SS every Sunday while he is growing up. It’s another to have him as a permanent piece of furniture as an adult.
He has never lived here, this has never been his home.
He comes round without notice multiple times a week straight from work about 5 and sits there on the sofa until we go to bed. I want my evenings to myself and I have to listen to Dh gets stressed about him showing up all the time because he doesn’t want to upset him but he can’t take a hint when he’s outstayed his welcome.

Every time we give SS an excuse not to have him round or let him stay, he finds a solution and so stays anyway.

If he just popped in for an hour or two then that would be lovely but he doesn’t he takes over the entire evening and it’s just too long and too much too often.
If I invite him over for dinner then that’s fine but he’s then got to come the next night and both days at the weekend.
I expect my children to be around all the time because they are young children but from a 25 year old man it is all consuming.

I am sorry but this is really unreasonable. Not on to take over someone’s life? The cheek. This is his son that has never lived with his dad. You should both feel blessed that as an adult he wants to build the relationship he should have had with his dad. You would not think the same of your children would you? That they’re taking over your life if you see them more than for a Sunday visit?

LoremIpsumCici · Today 20:55

poorlytoe · Today 15:32

We did rearrange for last night but he popped in again and this morning we met up with him as was planned and we went to an event together which we’d already invited him to and so decided on tonight instead but he just rang about something else and I said see you on Monday as I am taking him somewhere which is also planned but he said he’ll be round later so, it’s just never gonna happen tbh. Salmon is in the freezer and I’ll probably use it for work.
I accept we will just never have time to ourselves. Am I pissed off? Yes as is Dh but we can’t do anything about it.
We can’t just rearrange for another time because we don’t know when we’ll have time to ourselves.

We thought by seeing him again last night and most of today would mean we’d likely get this evening undisturbed but nope, never gonna happen.

Just have him babysit and go OUT the house for a date.

Julietta05 · Today 20:59

Really? There are couples that do not have anyone to step up with childcare and that it the best they can do.

OP I don't feel you were unreasonable at all

MummyWillow1 · Today 21:03

coulditbeme2323 · Yesterday 13:40

I wonder if it had been your own child that turned up if you would have turfed them out?

Blended families don't work, they have never worked, and they will never work.

Plenty of blended families work. It just means the grown ups need to act like grown ups.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · Today 21:09

LoremIpsumCici · Today 20:49

I am sorry but this is really unreasonable. Not on to take over someone’s life? The cheek. This is his son that has never lived with his dad. You should both feel blessed that as an adult he wants to build the relationship he should have had with his dad. You would not think the same of your children would you? That they’re taking over your life if you see them more than for a Sunday visit?

It doesn't say he never lived with his dad. Just that he never lived in that house. They could have moved in together after he left for uni or moved to his own place after working, or quite simply just moved recently.

He's 25, if you look at uni as the norm that's 7 years in which they could have moved into a place in which he has never lived.

LoremIpsumCici · Today 21:13

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · Today 21:09

It doesn't say he never lived with his dad. Just that he never lived in that house. They could have moved in together after he left for uni or moved to his own place after working, or quite simply just moved recently.

He's 25, if you look at uni as the norm that's 7 years in which they could have moved into a place in which he has never lived.

It kind of does say he never lived with his dad:
It’s one thing to accommodate a SS every Sunday while he is growing up.

ScartlettSole · Today 21:14

coulditbeme2323 · Yesterday 14:26

Facts are facts.

Facts are facts, don't talk utter bollocks 😂

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · Today 21:16

LoremIpsumCici · Today 21:13

It kind of does say he never lived with his dad:
It’s one thing to accommodate a SS every Sunday while he is growing up.

Maybe not while they were together. Who knows the set up prior to that. Or his age when they got together.

I'm willing to bet a 15 year old, for example, might choose to just visit rather than stay over. Based on my cousins who never WANTED to stay at their dads.

OhMelville · Today 21:17

Yanbu at all - time is so scarce and precious when you have young DC.i dont know how you didn’t say anything! I certainly would have - any adult would be rude turning up unplanned and staying the whole evening without checking if you were free first.

ChangefortheBetter88 · Today 21:17

poorlytoe · Today 16:36

He has never had any friends, so he’s always just hung around here, it’s not on to take over someone’s life like that.
It’s one thing to accommodate a SS every Sunday while he is growing up. It’s another to have him as a permanent piece of furniture as an adult.
He has never lived here, this has never been his home.
He comes round without notice multiple times a week straight from work about 5 and sits there on the sofa until we go to bed. I want my evenings to myself and I have to listen to Dh gets stressed about him showing up all the time because he doesn’t want to upset him but he can’t take a hint when he’s outstayed his welcome.

Every time we give SS an excuse not to have him round or let him stay, he finds a solution and so stays anyway.

If he just popped in for an hour or two then that would be lovely but he doesn’t he takes over the entire evening and it’s just too long and too much too often.
If I invite him over for dinner then that’s fine but he’s then got to come the next night and both days at the weekend.
I expect my children to be around all the time because they are young children but from a 25 year old man it is all consuming.

So your DH only saw his son once a week whilst he was growing up, and he never stayed over by the sounds of it. How sad and unwelcoming is that, you’ve never actually included him as part of your family, I feel really sorry for your SS. It sounds like your SS is trying to make up for lost time by spending time with his father which is why he is popping round, he obviously wants to feel included, poor thing. I don’t know why he wants to be around either of you, you and your DH sound awful. The fact you don’t have anyone that will babysit says it all, I can imagine you aren’t the type to have many friends.

LoremIpsumCici · Today 21:25

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · Today 21:16

Maybe not while they were together. Who knows the set up prior to that. Or his age when they got together.

I'm willing to bet a 15 year old, for example, might choose to just visit rather than stay over. Based on my cousins who never WANTED to stay at their dads.

It doesn’t matter if OP was with his dad then or what house they were or were not in.

My point was that it appears that SS only saw his dad on a Sunday while growing up from what the OP said. It then follows that as an adult, he will want to make up for all the lost time. Time his half siblings are getting, that he never got as a child. Her husband is VERY lucky that his son wants to establish a close relationship with his dad. You can’t treat an adult child that was left the same as you would an adult child that you raised every day of the week. They will have all kinds of abandonment issues.

LoremIpsumCici · Today 21:28

Based on my cousins who never WANTED to stay at their dads

As I said, OP’s DH is very lucky his adult son is willing and putting in the effort to build a relationship with him. His dad didn’t prioritise him growing up, the least he can do now is not kick him out for a booty call he can have any other night of the week because he lives with OP, not the adult son.

ReadingSoManyThreads · Today 21:38

YANBU

This sounds suffocating, I can understand your frustration.

I think you'll need to both set some boundaries and tell him that you'd like at least 2 evenings per week that he doesn't come as you both need time together as a couple. Then you and your DH set which days per week he's not to come. See if that helps at all.

ReadingSoManyThreads · Today 21:40

LoremIpsumCici · Today 21:28

Based on my cousins who never WANTED to stay at their dads

As I said, OP’s DH is very lucky his adult son is willing and putting in the effort to build a relationship with him. His dad didn’t prioritise him growing up, the least he can do now is not kick him out for a booty call he can have any other night of the week because he lives with OP, not the adult son.

"a booty call"? I'd hardly call some downtime together with your DH to reconnect and share some relaxation time without children around a "booty call". FFS the bar is low when a man and wife are not allowed to spend time together in case an adult child is offended.

LoremIpsumCici · Today 21:49

ReadingSoManyThreads · Today 21:40

"a booty call"? I'd hardly call some downtime together with your DH to reconnect and share some relaxation time without children around a "booty call". FFS the bar is low when a man and wife are not allowed to spend time together in case an adult child is offended.

They are allowed to spend time together. If it was a big priority, they should get a babysitter and go out on an evening letting the stepson know of their plans. The OP says SS did not know of their date night plans, so her DH couldn’t turn him away which is damn right he shouldn’t turn him away. Especially since DH abandoned him as a child growing up, his psyche isn’t going to be able to handle that like an adult child that never had that trauma.

It’s easy, just plan another date night and let SS know which night that is.

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