AIBU to think women voting Reform are voting against themselves?

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AIBU to think that any woman voting for Reform is like a Turkey voting for Christmas?

the latest debacle - Rob Kenyon refusing to simply apologise for commenting on a disgusting post about Carol Vorderman’s areshole where he said “we’re all thinking the same thing”.

He was given the chance and chose instead to say “ I didn’t write the post” and “it was a long time ago”

Reform support him and say women are clutching their pearls at “mild tweets”. We all know from the many many threads on MN. That women face abuse every day and are most at danger from men they know. These men walk among us every day without us knowing. And if they feel so empowered to publically like a tweet saying they would love to lick a woman’s a*sehole or that women have abortions so they can “shag around” we all know that’s the tip of the iceberg in terms of their true thoughts. What about the Reform candidate who was convicted of kicking his partner while she lay on the ground outside a nightclub and Reform simply said “he’s done his time”

I attach a copy of what our dear friend Nigel wrote after the Sarah Everard case. Where was the energy he is giving for Henry Nowak? Oh wait because the perpetrator was a white man there was no opportunity to create tensions that suit his agenda.

IABU - women who vote Reform need to wake up, and fast

IANBU - I agree with Rob Kenyon and all the other things they have said against women (I’d love to hear why if you don’t mind)

There are so many of them. Straight out of Trump’s playbook. Get bots to convince the electorate.

If the choice was either Labour or Reform, I’d vote Reform every time. Fortunately it isn’t.

As opposed to Labour who think Dave in a dress is a woman?

Everybody who has arrived on a boat deported according to my neighbour, even those who have been granted asylum or given leave to remain

Your vote is the wrong way around

What's a Micky Mouse degree? People often call Media Studies a mickey mouse degree but the world desperately needs more people who are able to analyse the media and understand how people are manipulated. People need critical thinking skills; they need empathy; they need to understand other cultures. You would probably call these things micky mouse but actually the whole world is about to implode if we dont take these things seriously. Humanities are essential if we are all going to survive. I cant stand this narrow attitude of degrees being just to get a job. We need to teach people to actually think.

And we are in the mess we are in now with the likes of Trump and Farage precisely because we have not been taught how to think and question effectively. Our only hope is through good rounded education. Not just bloody STEM courses and business studies.

Yup, this.

Many, many people will have voted in reply to your question:

"AIBU to think women voting Reform are voting against themselves?"

Answer Of course YANBU. That is what any right thinking person thinks.

Most will not have expected you to change the question at the bottom of your opening post.

i think you said that Reform won’t be able to do what they say. My point is that speculating that Reform won’t be able to deliver on their promises is not reason enough for people to not vote for them. Because the incumbents are actively going against what people keep voting for. At successive elections people have voted to ask for less immigration, less batshit wokery, less month wasted on benefits. Yet, successive government actively keep trolling these people by going against it actively. So why not vote Reform. There current situation is so dire and infuriating.

As for what comes after Reform. Whether Recorm succeed or they don’t, what comes afterwards is scary. If Reform don’t get into power, and this left wing batshittery continues, people move further to the right. If Reform get in and fail, people also rebel.

The only way to get around is it address people’s concerns. Even less immigration, not just net migration. It’s no good having 0 net migration if you are bringing in a million low paid people from cultures who don’t integrate and will be net takers and losing a million high tax paying locals to countries abroad. People are asking for less woke madness - women are adult human females, full stop. You cannot make more money benefits than if you go out to work, ever, except for serious disability, not anxiety and mild metal health conditions. You cannot expect people to keep funding your habit of having kids you cannot afford when those same mugs paying for this are having to have 0 or 1 child because they can’t afford it. And so the list goes.

Whether Reform does it or a different party, this is what keeps order and prevents people from slipping to the far right.

That’s all lovely and fluffy, but no that’s not what this country needs. We are in serious economic peril, we need hard skills to improve productivity, produce stuff, create services, innovate in tech and build things. We don’t need more media study or gender study grads.

And white I imagine. What evidence do you have they can do this as Brexit has increased immigration.
Any disabilities or SEND in your family as all that support will disappear. And they won’t sort immigration, its like employing the most under qualified bunch of people in the country and giving them free reign. Absolutely absurd, your attitude blows my mind.

What these threads really demonstrate is that those of us who have been born and brought up in the UK are so very privileged.
This is what really frustrates me, it is an accident of birth.

I work in Child protection, and however shite things are now due to a lack of investment in public services, vilification of the poor and 'underdeserving' there is some kind of safety net- and considering we are still one of the richest nations in the world there bloody should be.

Then there are all the families I work with who have no recourse to public funds but have fled persecution, trafficked women and their babies living in safe houses etc. What kind of society have we become? I have yet to see a convincing argument thay means this is detrimental to the UK and our society. Those putting up flags on lamp-posts and protesting, what are they actually contributing? Most of them seem to channel ww2 and the empire etc and glorify the blitz but were not actually born at the time. I personally find it very insulting to a generation who made the ultimate sacrifice and lived through real hardship.

Anyone voting reform is voting against themselves. Except for the party bigwigs they are not going to make the life of a single person better. Not even if you are white and male. Obviously the problems of the UK are not caused by immigrants or asylum seekers. They are not even being caused by the poor sods arriving on a boat. It would have been nice if people had learnt a lesson from Brexit but unfortunately they didn't.

I'm really curious who you do vote for?

shite things are now due to a lack of investment in public services, vilification of the poor and 'underdeserving'

Labour are presiding of the vilification of any taxpayer who earns more than 39k, homeowners, students and pensioners. They also don't know what a woman is.

Maybe it’s less about how stupid people are and more about how scarily effective the manipulation tactics are, or both. Lower education = easier to con.

The "lower education" insult could be levelled at anyone who believes there is a genuinely decent party left to vote for.

And those things could be taught at a college no?

It doesn’t have to be a university to teach such things and they are nice to have. They are not brain surgeons.

Hm I think it would be a shame if people couldn’t study their chosen subject just for the enjoyment of it. I don’t see what the issue is with ‘softer’ degrees. People pay for university themselves so should be entitled to learn about what they would like to.

It’s not an insult. It’s a fact. Generally speaking, Reform voters have the lowest educational attainment of the population. Ergo, it follows that lesser educated people will be easier to manipulate because they haven’t been provided with the knowledge and skills to be able to recognise misinformation and deliberate deception.

Obviously, pre existing bias, cognitive dissonance etc also play big roles, and there are exceptions to the education rule, but it is largely accurate.

I started my career (30 years ago) with highly educated people, but these days I work minimum wage jobs in small businesses. The people in these small
businesses often left school and went straight into work - so maybe your less educated people? Anyway I’ve really had my eyes opened to the hard work and commitment and lack of entitlement that I see in my current work environments, rather than with I the more educated folk I’ve worked with in the past.
And some if them are right wing. Because they want to keep more of the money they’ve earned - rather than for any ideological position .its as simple as that.

There’s a hell of a difference between traditional right wing Tory voters who want lower taxes and far right white nationalists. They aren’t really comparable in my opinion, so I don’t think you or your colleagues would fit into the category I was talking about.

As an aside though, you can’t pay as little tax as possible while complaining at the state of everything in the country such as resources and services.

They can study whatever they like if they’re after enjoyment. If they’re paying. They don’t pay. Not for all of it. They are big subsidized by international students. Whining turn are buying visas through the university fees. Basically we have tons of second rate universities selling visas and done of those funds are paying for Mickey Mouse degrees for locals.

The gravy train has to stop.

This is more than a political debate for a lot of us. Lots of people in minority groups are terrified that they are going to lose basic human rights.

I agree that no political party are perfect, but if Nigel et al are who you look to for protection, then god help us.

Who isn’t paying?